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Do you trust Bluehole studio?

leipurileipuri Member Posts: 559
in TERA

Ever since a dev was found cheating in EvE-Online I don't so blindly trust developer studios. It doesn't help that founding members of Bluehole studio was convicted in Korean supreme court last month http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=43641

Now Bluehole studio got away easy in Korea, but far as I know case is still pending in U.S. court. It doesn't help blueholes case that their founding members were found guilty in Korea. Basically it just confirms that Tera is based on stolen assets even though whole studio isn't guilty for it. Also I would guess U.S copyright laws are more strict.

What I am bit worried about is that after few months of launch Bluehole and En Masse lose the case in U.S. and forced to stop operating, which would result that players who paid for the game lost money.

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  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by leipuri

    Ever since a dev was found cheating in EvE-Online I don't so blindly trust developer studios. It doesn't help that founding members of Bluehole studio was convicted in Korean supreme court last month http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=43641

    Now Bluehole studio got away easy in Korea, but far as I know case is still pending in U.S. court. It doesn't help blueholes case that their founding members were found guilty in Korea. Basically it just confirms that Tera is based on stolen assets even though whole studio isn't guilty for it. Also I would guess U.S copyright laws are more strict.

    What I am bit worried about is that after few months of launch Bluehole and En Masse lose the case in U.S. and forced to stop operating, which would result that players who paid for the game lost money.

    Well first of all Tera isn't a "stolen assets". Part of it is but not the entire game itself. The story goes the devs were working on Lineage 3 and the project got scraped for whatever reason. So the dev team quit and went to bluehole studio and started making Tera. So yes they probabaly used some ideals they had for lineage 3 for Tera, and legally thats not allowed. However when you look at it the other way , they were the ones who invented the ideal in the first place, so legally yes they were wrong but idk i guess depends how you view things, I personally don't side with the companys =X.

    Second as the whole case thing went, BlueHole studio was already found not guilty and only three indiviual dev was found guilty of selling company trade secrets(which they never said what it even was). So NCSoft's case in U.S. is against En Masse, which really has nothing at all to do with any of it, I highly doubt its going to go anywhere at all.

  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,350

    The developers in question were found guilty of having taken the assets.

    The company was found not guilty because the assets were not used.

    The only way NCSoft will get an injuction is if they can show that they are being materially harmed by the ongoing operation of TERA. Given that NCSoft never bothered to move forward with L3 (until just recently but that could be just talk) they will have a very difficult time demonstrating how TERA is negatively impacting the sales of their vaporware.

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  • leipurileipuri Member Posts: 559

    Originally posted by rexzshadow
    Well first of all Tera isn't a "stolen assets". Part of it is but not the entire game itself. The story goes the devs were working on Lineage 3 and the project got scraped for whatever reason. So the dev team quit and went to bluehole studio and started making Tera. So yes they probabaly used some ideals they had for lineage 3 for Tera, and legally thats not allowed. However when you look at it the other way , they were the ones who invented the ideal in the first place, so legally yes they were wrong but idk i guess depends how you view things, I personally don't side with the companys =X. Second as the whole case thing went, BlueHole studio was already found not guilty and only three indiviual dev was found guilty of selling company trade secrets(which they never said what it even was). So NCSoft's case in U.S. is against En Masse, which really has nothing at all to do with any of it, I highly doubt its going to go anywhere at all.
    What I read that Lineage 3 was scraped after NCSoft found about what was going on in development department. Ring leader of whole deal had left company before that happen. They weren't some innocent victims who were bullied by some big company. I don't see how NCsoft that have published some worst mmo would just scrap Lineage 3 (lineage 2 being so popular). Also I don't see how that they were "who invented the idea" is justifying anything. They got paid for that before right?

    Now whole Bluehole studio can't be held accountable for it, but that doesn't change that it's founding members were found guilty and that Tera is based on stolen Assets which these founding members used. Whole Tera theme look like Lineage 3, but then again all Asian mmos look same to me.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    Actually Tera is not based in the stolen assets at all. At least, that's what the Korean court has decided. The developers that left NCsoft took the assets with them, but nothing was used to make Tera. At least according to court.
  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Originally posted by leipuri

     




    What I read that Lineage 3 was scraped after NCSoft found about what was going on in development department. Ring leader of whole deal had left company before that happen. They weren't some innocent victims who were bullied by some big company. I don't see how NCsoft that have published some worst mmo would just scrap Lineage 3 (lineage 2 being so popular). Also I don't see how that they were "who invented the idea" is justifying anything. They got paid for that before right?

     

    Now whole Bluehole studio can't be held accountable for it, but that doesn't change that it's founding members were found guilty and that Tera is based on stolen Assets which these founding members used. Whole Tera theme look like Lineage 3, but then again all Asian mmos look same to me.

    Nope what happened was the main developers of L2 were tasked to start concepts on L3.   When the developers showed NCsoft what they had,  NC scrapped the project because at the time L2 was doing good and they did not want to hurt it with the production of L3.

    The developers got mad,  took the resources and left NCsoft and tried to sell it to a Japanese software company.  That company told the authorities.   They got fined and one or two of them had to do some jail time and the source codes were returned to NCsoft.   BHS was formed well after that period.

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  • leipurileipuri Member Posts: 559

    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Nope what happened was the main developers of L2 were tasked to start concepts on L3.   When the developers showed NCsoft what they had,  NC scrapped the project because at the time L2 was doing good and they did not want to hurt it with the production of L3.
    The developers got mad,  took the resources and left NCsoft and tried to sell it to a Japanese software company.  That company told the authorities.   They got fined and one or two of them had to do some jail time and the source codes were returned to NCsoft.   BHS was formed well after that period.
    What I found is that Bluehole studio was established March 2, 2007 and that court case for attempt to sell code was filed around same time by NCSoft, so I wouldn't say BHS formed way after that period.
  • Reas43Reas43 Member Posts: 297
    Originally posted by leipuri

    Originally posted by rexzshadow
    Well first of all Tera isn't a "stolen assets". Part of it is but not the entire game itself. The story goes the devs were working on Lineage 3 and the project got scraped for whatever reason. So the dev team quit and went to bluehole studio and started making Tera. So yes they probabaly used some ideals they had for lineage 3 for Tera, and legally thats not allowed. However when you look at it the other way , they were the ones who invented the ideal in the first place, so legally yes they were wrong but idk i guess depends how you view things, I personally don't side with the companys =X. Second as the whole case thing went, BlueHole studio was already found not guilty and only three indiviual dev was found guilty of selling company trade secrets(which they never said what it even was). So NCSoft's case in U.S. is against En Masse, which really has nothing at all to do with any of it, I highly doubt its going to go anywhere at all.
    What I read that Lineage 3 was scraped after NCSoft found about what was going on in development department. Ring leader of whole deal had left company before that happen. They weren't some innocent victims who were bullied by some big company. I don't see how NCsoft that have published some worst mmo would just scrap Lineage 3 (lineage 2 being so popular). Also I don't see how that they were "who invented the idea" is justifying anything. They got paid for that before right?

    Now whole Bluehole studio can't be held accountable for it, but that doesn't change that it's founding members were found guilty and that Tera is based on stolen Assets which these founding members used. Whole Tera theme look like Lineage 3, but then again all Asian mmos look same to me.

     

    Wow, such geniune, admirable concern. Doesn't read like there's an agenda AT ALL.

    Long story short, I trust Bluehole as much as any other company which is much more than I trust the OP
  • leipurileipuri Member Posts: 559

    Originally posted by Reas43
    Originally posted by leipuriOriginally posted by rexzshadow
    Well first of all Tera isn't a "stolen assets". Part of it is but not the entire game itself. The story goes the devs were working on Lineage 3 and the project got scraped for whatever reason. So the dev team quit and went to bluehole studio and started making Tera. So yes they probabaly used some ideals they had for lineage 3 for Tera, and legally thats not allowed. However when you look at it the other way , they were the ones who invented the ideal in the first place, so legally yes they were wrong but idk i guess depends how you view things, I personally don't side with the companys =X. Second as the whole case thing went, BlueHole studio was already found not guilty and only three indiviual dev was found guilty of selling company trade secrets(which they never said what it even was). So NCSoft's case in U.S. is against En Masse, which really has nothing at all to do with any of it, I highly doubt its going to go anywhere at all.
    What I read that Lineage 3 was scraped after NCSoft found about what was going on in development department. Ring leader of whole deal had left company before that happen. They weren't some innocent victims who were bullied by some big company. I don't see how NCsoft that have published some worst mmo would just scrap Lineage 3 (lineage 2 being so popular). Also I don't see how that they were "who invented the idea" is justifying anything. They got paid for that before right?

    Now whole Bluehole studio can't be held accountable for it, but that doesn't change that it's founding members were found guilty and that Tera is based on stolen Assets which these founding members used. Whole Tera theme look like Lineage 3, but then again all Asian mmos look same to me.


     

    Wow, such geniune, admirable concern. Doesn't read like there's an agenda AT ALL.

    Long story short, I trust Bluehole as much as any other company which is much more than I trust the OP


    I am actually considering buying Tera, but I am bit unsure about it since MMOs aren't like single player games which you can play no matter what ever happen to developer company or how popular game gets. I guess I will just wait and see few months and see how the case in U.S. goes. I would have already bought Tera, if Bluehole studio didn't have such history behind it.
  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Member Posts: 1,136
    @OP

    It's worth noting that multiple MMO news sites used the same link only to take it back days later when the "not guilty" verdict was in. Shady workings me thinks. EME commented on it:

    http://www.enmasse.com/blog/posts/bluehole-studio-not-guilty-in-trial

    Sorry it's not a working link, I'm on a phone lol

    Just not worth my time anymore.

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