Can same character use RMAH and GoldAH ?

Lobotomist · May 2012

This is what concerns me about Diablo 3 AH system.

If same character can freely choose to use RMAH or GoldAH , whenever he chooses.

Than any above average item will be placed on RMAH - because , let say person had a very good drop and he have a chance to earn some money , why wouldn't he?

This will make Gold AH pretty pointless - cause no good items will be there.

Lobotomist · May 2012

Originally posted by Aori

Ya most very rare items will likely goto the RMAH, however i'm sure items will flood the GAH once people find out they aren't selling items. Either way it is to hard to know what'll happen. You can use both auction systems, I wouldn't worry about it. Just play the game

No, you can not just play.

Blizzard made AH integral part of experience.

If you dont want to use real money in game you will be limited to Gold AH, which will hold only trash items.

So AH is needed for full experience.

But you are denied (real) AH if you dont want to use RMT

EduardoASG · May 2012

.. and vendable items that land on the gold auction house will probably be bought asap and appear on the Real Cash auction house.

Will be diferent from sure, and tbh im reallu curious about how and if it will work.

dubyahite · May 2012

It remains to be seen if only the RMAH will have good items. It's really possible, but we shall see.

There are two flaws with this argument though.

Even if you don't wantto spend money in game, you will still be able to use the RMAH. How is that possible you ask? I'll be totally screwed and gimped! Zomg! You yourself can actually sell items on the RMAH! You can then use the proceeds to buy stuff in game. Madness!

This effectively makes the "real money" just another in game currency. Boom. Problem solved.

Wait there's more! There is another, even crazier way to get items that are on the RMAH. Now I hope you are sitting down for this because it might blow your mind. Ok here goes, you can playthe game! "whaaaaaaaat?" I hear you say. But it's all true. Everything you will find on the RMAH or the gold ah was found/made IN GAME by real players!

I think this is better than your standard cash shop. First off, you absolutely know for sure that all items are available in the game. Second, you can actually take part in the "cash shop" to make profit or even just to make "currency" to buy other items with.

Blizzard is cutting you in on their cash shop.

As a bonus tip, I would be willing to bet that some people will want to make gold in game. They will put their items up on the gold AH or even buy items for money and sell them for gold as a way of buying gold. So many ways this could play out.

Lobotomist · May 2012

Originally posted by dubyahite

It remains to be seen if only the RMAH will have good items. It's really possible, but we shall see.

There are two flaws with this argument though.

Even if you don't wantto spend money in game, you will still be able to use the RMAH. How is that possible you ask? I'll be totally screwed and gimped! Zomg! You yourself can actually sell items on the RMAH! You can then use the proceeds to buy stuff in game. Madness! No. You need active credit card to do that. And I mean full promission to draw and add money to the credit account. So no debt card or something like that. And if you want to use paypal , blizzard will want acces to your mobile phone account. So provided that you bought the phisical copy of the game. And dont want to use CC. You are pretty much screwed out of AH.

This effectively makes the "real money" just another in game currency. Boom. Problem solved.

Wait there's more! There is another, even crazier way to get items that are on the RMAH. Now I hope you are sitting down for this because it might blow your mind. Ok here goes, you can playthe game! "whaaaaaaaat?" I hear you say. But it's all true. Everything you will find on the RMAH or the gold ah was found/made IN GAME by real players! Yes. But drop tables are like winning lottery. That is what Blizzard have been doing. And what if you got super awesome drop for barbarian, but you want item for Wizard ? Just one craazy example...

I think this is better than your standard cash shop. First off, you absolutely know for sure that all items are available in the game. Second, you can actually take part in the "cash shop" to make profit or even just to make "currency" to buy other items with. Apsolutely no. This is just way to force you into using cash shop all the time.

Blizzard is cutting you in on their cash shop.

As a bonus tip, I would be willing to bet that some people will want to make gold in game. They will put their items up on the gold AH or even buy items for money and sell them for gold as a way of buying gold. So many ways this could play out. I am sure that RMT traders will buy such items constantly in order to make money from it

All said and done

Gold AH will be joke for trash items.

And if you want to trade items in any real way you will be forced to use RMT

Way to go Blizz!

Nivisiru · May 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by Aori

Ya most very rare items will likely goto the RMAH, however i'm sure items will flood the GAH once people find out they aren't selling items. Either way it is to hard to know what'll happen. You can use both auction systems, I wouldn't worry about it. Just play the game

No, you can not just play.

Blizzard made AH integral part of experience.

If you dont want to use real money in game you will be limited to Gold AH, which will hold only trash items.

So AH is needed for full experience.

But you are denied (real) AH if you dont want to use RMT

Do you have no idea how bad the "black market" that went on in Diablo 2 was? I never took part in that and just played the game, just fine. I really think most are blind to how bad it was in Diablo 2.

Even if you end up only using the real money one. Its not like you must cash out the money. You can just use it like gold and keep it in the system, to buy and trade. Thats what money/gold is, a way to trade. Diablo is not the first game to use this system.

So many people seem to have no idea how the item exchange is not changing for the worse. That or the skill system being lacking in customization. I don't even know why I'm even trying to say anything. You will just keep on thinking the way you do for no good reason like most of the people on here. Thats why I almost never post.

Those of you who think those other third rate games are even close to the same quality are just silly. There is a big dif and if you can't see that. Luck you I guess. And no I'm not a fanboy. I just think most of those other games kinda suck. Torchlight is the only other diablo clone even worth talking about.

Lobotomist · May 2012

Originally posted by Nivisiru

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by Aori

Ya most very rare items will likely goto the RMAH, however i'm sure items will flood the GAH once people find out they aren't selling items. Either way it is to hard to know what'll happen. You can use both auction systems, I wouldn't worry about it. Just play the game

No, you can not just play.

Blizzard made AH integral part of experience.

If you dont want to use real money in game you will be limited to Gold AH, which will hold only trash items.

So AH is needed for full experience.

But you are denied (real) AH if you dont want to use RMT

Do you have no idea how bad the "black market" that went on in Diablo 2 was? I never took part in that and just played the game, just fine. I really think most are blind to how bad it was in Diablo 2.

Even if you end up only using the real money one. Its not like you must cash out the money. You can just use it like gold and keep it in the system, to buy and trade. Thats what money/gold is, a way to trade. Diablo is not the first game to use this system. Again - NO. You will need to use full acess credit card to do that.

So many people seem to have no idea how the item exchange is not changing for the worse. That or the skill system being lacking in customization. I don't even know why I'm even trying to say anything. You will just keep on thinking the way you do for no good reason like most of the people on here. Thats why I almost never post.

Those of you who think those other third rate games are even close to the same quality are just silly. There is a big dif and if you can't see that. Luck you I guess. And no I'm not a fanboy. I just think most of those other games kinda suck. Torchlight is the only other diablo clone even worth talking about.

expresso · May 2012

You can sell gold on RMHA so for all we know it might be more profitable to sell rare items for ingame gold and then sell that gold on RMHA. But either way no one knows how this will work out so lets not assume the worst.

dubyahite · May 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by dubyahite

It remains to be seen if only the RMAH will have good items. It's really possible, but we shall see.

There are two flaws with this argument though.

Even if you don't wantto spend money in game, you will still be able to use the RMAH. How is that possible you ask? I'll be totally screwed and gimped! Zomg! You yourself can actually sell items on the RMAH! You can then use the proceeds to buy stuff in game. Madness! No. You need active credit card to do that. And I mean full promission to draw and add money to the credit account. So no debt card or something like that. And if you want to use paypal , blizzard will want acces to your mobile phone account. So provided that you bought the phisical copy of the game. And dont want to use CC. You are pretty much screwed out of AH.

This effectively makes the "real money" just another in game currency. Boom. Problem solved.

Wait there's more! There is another, even crazier way to get items that are on the RMAH. Now I hope you are sitting down for this because it might blow your mind. Ok here goes, you can playthe game! "whaaaaaaaat?" I hear you say. But it's all true. Everything you will find on the RMAH or the gold ah was found/made IN GAME by real players! Yes. But drop tables are like winning lottery. That is what Blizzard have been doing. And what if you got super awesome drop for barbarian, but you want item for Wizard ? Just one craazy example...

I think this is better than your standard cash shop. First off, you absolutely know for sure that all items are available in the game. Second, you can actually take part in the "cash shop" to make profit or even just to make "currency" to buy other items with. Apsolutely no. This is just way to force you into using cash shop all the time.

Blizzard is cutting you in on their cash shop.

As a bonus tip, I would be willing to bet that some people will want to make gold in game. They will put their items up on the gold AH or even buy items for money and sell them for gold as a way of buying gold. So many ways this could play out. I am sure that RMT traders will buy such items constantly in order to make money from it

All said and done

Gold AH will be joke for trash items.

And if you want to trade items in any real way you will be forced to use RMT

Way to go Blizz!

I'm just going to copy your quotes into this post so we don't get a rainbow thing going on in the quote.

"No. You need active credit card to do that. And I mean full promission to draw and add money to the credit account. So no debt card or something like that. And if you want to use paypal , blizzard will want acces to your mobile phone account. So provided that you bought the phisical copy of the game. And dont want to use CC. You are pretty much screwed out of AH."

This is not correct. You can only cash out through paypal. They will not put money on yoru CC. Second, nowhere have they stated that you are required to add a CC to the account to buy/sell on the RMAH. In fact they are setting up a battle.net balance account for you that can be used to spend money on the RMAH or even other Blizzard products. You don't have to cash out, that is my point. You can sell things on the RMAH to use that money to buy things on the RMAH.

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-auction-house-functionality#q5

How do I pay for items?

For the gold-based auction house, purchases will be made using in-game gold. For the real-money auction house, players can make purchases using a supported payment method attached to their Battle.net account, such as a major credit card or an attached PayPal account. Players will also have the option to use their Battle.net Balance to pay for purchases in the real-money auction house.

NOWHERE in the FAQ or the RMAH how-to do they state that you need a CC to use the RMAH.

" Yes. But drop tables are like winning lottery. That is what Blizzard have been doing. And what if you got super awesome drop for barbarian, but you want item for Wizard ? Just one craazy example..."

Welcome to video games. This is how it's going to work. You can either grind for it (just like in Diablo 2) or you can buy it if you want. This is how Diablo has always been.

"Apsolutely no. This is just way to force you into using cash shop all the time. "

Again, not true. Everything in the AH will be available in the game. You may have to spend more time to get it (duh) but you are not forced into using the cash shop at all. You can (like I said) play the freaking game to get the items you want.

"I am sure that RMT traders will buy such items constantly in order to make money from it"

Actually, you are able to sell gold on the RMAH. So my idea about people buying RMAH items and then selling them for gold is false. What will happen instead is people will be able to buy gold directly. Guess what? If there's a market for that, then you will be able to sell your own gold as well.

Rednecksith · May 2012

Actually you don't need a credit card attached to your account. Nowhere in the FAQ does it say that. The only reason you'd need one is if you didn't have a battle.net balance to purchase items with. If you sold a few items and got that balance up, you'd be fine.

Furthermore, debit cards in the US are treated as credit cards, and would work perfectly fine even I'm missing something in the FAQ and you do need a credit card.

Also, people tend to forget that the crafting system adds actual value to in-game gold now, with high-end items costing many thousands of GP to make, thereby adding incentive for people to sell expensive items on the gold AH.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this. Blind haters will continue to hate regardless. I guess I'm just tired of the misinformation & idiotic, hateful speculation going around about this game.

Edit: Dubyahite did a better job, scroll up and read his post :P

Lobotomist · May 2012

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by dubyahite

It remains to be seen if only the RMAH will have good items. It's really possible, but we shall see.

There are two flaws with this argument though.

Even if you don't wantto spend money in game, you will still be able to use the RMAH. How is that possible you ask? I'll be totally screwed and gimped! Zomg! You yourself can actually sell items on the RMAH! You can then use the proceeds to buy stuff in game. Madness! No. You need active credit card to do that. And I mean full promission to draw and add money to the credit account. So no debt card or something like that. And if you want to use paypal , blizzard will want acces to your mobile phone account. So provided that you bought the phisical copy of the game. And dont want to use CC. You are pretty much screwed out of AH.

This effectively makes the "real money" just another in game currency. Boom. Problem solved.

Wait there's more! There is another, even crazier way to get items that are on the RMAH. Now I hope you are sitting down for this because it might blow your mind. Ok here goes, you can playthe game! "whaaaaaaaat?" I hear you say. But it's all true. Everything you will find on the RMAH or the gold ah was found/made IN GAME by real players! Yes. But drop tables are like winning lottery. That is what Blizzard have been doing. And what if you got super awesome drop for barbarian, but you want item for Wizard ? Just one craazy example...

I think this is better than your standard cash shop. First off, you absolutely know for sure that all items are available in the game. Second, you can actually take part in the "cash shop" to make profit or even just to make "currency" to buy other items with. Apsolutely no. This is just way to force you into using cash shop all the time.

Blizzard is cutting you in on their cash shop.

As a bonus tip, I would be willing to bet that some people will want to make gold in game. They will put their items up on the gold AH or even buy items for money and sell them for gold as a way of buying gold. So many ways this could play out. I am sure that RMT traders will buy such items constantly in order to make money from it

All said and done

Gold AH will be joke for trash items.

And if you want to trade items in any real way you will be forced to use RMT

Way to go Blizz!

I'm just going to copy your quotes into this post so we don't get a rainbow thing going on in the quote.

"No. You need active credit card to do that. And I mean full promission to draw and add money to the credit account. So no debt card or something like that. And if you want to use paypal , blizzard will want acces to your mobile phone account. So provided that you bought the phisical copy of the game. And dont want to use CC. You are pretty much screwed out of AH."

This is not correct. You can only cash out through paypal. They will not put money on yoru CC. Second, nowhere have they stated that you are required to add a CC to the account to buy/sell on the RMAH. In fact they are setting up a battle.net balance account for you that can be used to spend money on the RMAH or even other Blizzard products. You don't have to cash out, that is my point. You can sell things on the RMAH to use that money to buy things on the RMAH.

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-auction-house-functionality#q5

How do I pay for items?

For the gold-based auction house, purchases will be made using in-game gold. For the real-money auction house, players can make purchases using a supported payment method attached to their Battle.net account, such as a major credit card or an attached PayPal account. Players will also have the option to use their Battle.net Balance to pay for purchases in the real-money auction house.

NOWHERE in the FAQ or the RMAH how-to do they state that you need a CC to use the RMAH.

" Yes. But drop tables are like winning lottery. That is what Blizzard have been doing. And what if you got super awesome drop for barbarian, but you want item for Wizard ? Just one craazy example..."

Welcome to video games. This is how it's going to work. You can either grind for it (just like in Diablo 2) or you can buy it if you want. This is how Diablo has always been.

"Apsolutely no. This is just way to force you into using cash shop all the time. "

Again, not true. Everything in the AH will be available in the game. You may have to spend more time to get it (duh) but you are not forced into using the cash shop at all. You can (like I said) play the freaking game to get the items you want.

"I am sure that RMT traders will buy such items constantly in order to make money from it"

Actually, you are able to sell gold on the RMAH. So my idea about people buying RMAH items and then selling them for gold is false. What will happen instead is people will be able to buy gold directly. Guess what? If there's a market for that, then you will be able to sell your own gold as well.

Ok...

Buying and trading trough Battlenet Ballance.

Ok. Its option i didnt consider. And in that case its definite improvement.

However You will need to sucessfully sell something first - to fill your balance

dubyahite · May 2012

Originally posted by Rednecksith
Actually you don't need a credit card attached to your account. Nowhere in the FAQ does it say that. The only reason you'd need one is if you didn't have a battle.net balance to purchase items with. If you sold a few items and got that balance up, you'd be fine.

Furthermore, debit cards in the US are treated as credit cards, and would work perfectly fine even I'm missing something in the FAQ and you do need a credit card.

Also, people tend to forget that the crafting system adds actual value to in-game gold now, with high-end items costing many thousands of GP to make, thereby adding incentive for people to sell expensive items on the gold AH.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this. Blind haters will continue to hate regardless. I guess I'm just tired of the misinformation & idiotic, hateful speculation going around about this game.

Edit: Dubyahite did a better job, scroll up and read his post :P

Also note that it simply doesn't matter about the difference between credit/debit cards, or if they can use them to cash out because Blizzard is not allowing people to cash out through a CC or Debit card.

The only approved method for cashing out at this time is Paypal. The whole credit card statement that poster made was complete misinformation that was totally unverified and 100% untrue.

http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-auction-house-functionality#q13

dubyahite · May 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by dubyahite

[snip]

Ok...

Buying and trading trough Battlenet Ballance.

Ok. Its option i didnt consider. And in that case its definite improvement.

However You will need to sucessfully sell something first - to fill your balance

Yes. If you don't want to spend real money you will need to sell something first. While you may not find a specific item on the Gold AH (like you said, but really we don't know how that will shake out) you can still make use of the RMAH without spending a cent.

You will simply need to play the game, get a valuable item to sell and sell it. That or you can sell gold directly on the RMAH. as RedneckSith pointed out, gold will have value in the game for things like crafting (which could eventually generate real money for a crafter).

Like I said, while you may be forced to use the RMAH in certain situations, there will be ways to do so without spending a dime.

Edit: This is why I like this system over a traditional cash shop. You will have access to the items on the RMAH without giving money directly to Blizzard.

Other games have similar systems, such as the plex in Eve or the gems in GW 2. You can use in game money in GW 2 to get gems to buy stuff off the Cash Shop if I understand correctly. This is basically the same thing, only instead of all the money going to the Dev, most of it goes to another player.

Oh and your example of playing a Wizard and "oh dang I got a super rare Berserker item" Sell that Berserker item on the RMAH.

Onigod · May 2012

Only character on hardcore mode cannot use the real money auction house. other chars can use whatever they want

Rednecksith · May 2012

Originally posted by Onigod

Only character on hardcore mode cannot use the real money auction house. other chars can use whatever they want

And that's another incentive for people to put good items on the gold AH. In fact, it'll be the only way HC characters can sell nice stuff which they may not need/want.

I think both will be perfectly viable, but only time will tell.

WhiteLantern · May 2012

Why do people make such a big deal about an optional part of the game. You don't have to use the AH. You will not be forced to use the AH. You can enjoy the entire game without seeing the AH.

dubyahite · May 2012

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Onigod

Only character on hardcore mode cannot use the real money auction house. other chars can use whatever they want

And that's another incentive for people to put good items on the gold AH. In fact, it'll be the only way HC characters can sell nice stuff which they may not need/want.

I think both will be perfectly viable, but only time will tell.

I didn't know this, but if it's true then that's awesome. HC players will need the best of the best items. If they want to fully deck out their HC characters by purchasing items, gold is going to have a lot of value as well as selling items on the Gold AH.

This makes selling gold on the RMAH even more viable, as well as providing demand for good items being sold for gold.

dubyahite · May 2012

@Minny

Brilliant.

Lobotomist · May 2012

Originally posted by Minny
In playing the closed beta for months, I found out that for individual gear and weapons it is better to put them in the GOLD Auction House. They bring in more profit when looking at the conversion rates between gold/real currency.

All I am seeing here is proof that Gold AH will be terribly overpriced , in order to bring more money in RMAH gold trade.

And I suspect Blizzard carefully crafted the game so you will need to use AH in order to be competitive in any form of higher difficulty.

styles74 · May 2012

Originally posted by Minny

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by Minny
In playing the closed beta for months, I found out that for individual gear and weapons it is better to put them in the GOLD Auction House. They bring in more profit when looking at the conversion rates between gold/real currency.

All I am seeing here is proof that Gold AH will be terribly overpriced , in order to bring more money in RMAH gold trade.

And I suspect Blizzard carefully crafted the game so you will need to use AH in order to be competitive in any form of higher difficulty.

In a player controlled economy and 500.000 player AH nothing will ever be overpriced or it simply will not sell.

like all other economy models it will be a question of offer and demand.

Forget about cornering the markets with this number of participants as the stream of goods will be constant and can never be controlled with such kind of volumes.

Also by playing the beta for an extended period of time, I know the mechanics by now.

Diablo 3 is an on line game on steroids. And everyone will want to participate both as a vendor or buyer, depending on the opportunties everyone sees fit to beat the game on an individual basis.

As such the game beats all mmorpg's hands down, because it is much more streamlined to conquer the present day on line gaming communities. It is faster, it is extremely group friendly and combines gear chase with a real player driven economy and crafting system without the downtime of typical mmorpg's.

As such it fills a huge gap in on line play. No doubt it will be a surprise to many as it was to me after a few months in it. It will not replace the old mmorpg genre, but is is better adapted to survive present day gaming needs than other games.

Minny it's a shame you've only posted 12 times. With such insight we need you to speak up more often please!!

Not that you will ever convince these rediculous haters (and I'm not talking about anyone specifically - nor referring to anyone in this post - im talking in broad strokes here... not just on these boards but the official D3 ones too) I personally think that it's their ego (D3 is unprecedented in leveling the playing field in many ways - Hardcore players have a very tough time feeling good about themselves if they're not drastically better than everyone else) and fear of change that is holding them back from embracing this incredible game. Only time will tell, but I really think we have an fantastic winner on our hands for years to come.

Minny 4 President

Unknown · May 2012

Originally posted by Lobotomist
This is what concerns me about Diablo 3 AH system.

If same character can freely choose to use RMAH or GoldAH , whenever he chooses.

Than any above average item will be placed on RMAH - because , let say person had a very good drop and he have a chance to earn some money , why wouldn't he?

This will make Gold AH pretty pointless - cause no good items will be there.

Welcome to economics 101. You clearly have not played these style of video games before and I am here to give you a fine look into the inner workings of what concerns you with this concept. First off if you are worried that gold will have no value then sure that is a legitamate issue, but with good gold sinks and a need to buy resources you may find that gold has a higher purpose than in previous hackem slashem games like the Diablo franchise of old. You may also think hey these good items aren't being sold for gold what gives? Well the reason they aren't being sold for gold may indeed be the fact that they are more valuable than the absolute max gold sellout option available, and therefor the reason for putting it on the gold AH is negated. I also will bring to the matter that people are not going to trade down their items on Diablo 3 for lesser items and more than likely there will be a fair trade system set as with Diablo 2 as the market demand raises and decreases with their supply. I am sure some good items will indeed make it onto the gold AH, and not everyone will be using the real currency AH although in Diablo 3 I am sure that people who never planned on using the real currency AH will use it as a resource such as they use gold and may never cash out that investment or item they originally sold to get them into the market. Now what does all this mean to someone who looks to be all around not in favor of the real currency AH? It means that it will should be seemlessly mapped into the economy of Diablo 3 as it is a starting feature in the game and people will find themselves using it as easily as the gold AH, and you're right the high end items may stay on the real currency AH due to the previous statement about gold I have made. In no way is the gold AH worthless unless Blizzard fails to create wanted gold sinks within the game. If there are no gold sinks then yes you are right people will not use it, but that is not a short coming of the AH and more a short coming of the game itself. To just say because you won't find item A on the gold AH and will only find item B there does not negate the use of the gold AH at all. I hope that clears it up for ya.

TL;DR No, the gold AH is not pointless. Basic understanding however is required to know why.

nariusseldon · May 2012

Originally posted by EduardoASG
.. and vendable items that land on the gold auction house will probably be bought asap and appear on the Real Cash auction house.

Will be diferent from sure, and tbh im reallu curious about how and if it will work.

Not if the gold prices are high and you can make more by selling the gold directly. It depends on the prices.

zethcarn · May 2012

I'm 100% certain that great items will both be on the RMAH and Gold AH. Why? Because gold itself can be sold for real money. Extreme example: Let's say one million gold is currently going for $200.

1. Grand Sword of Epicness is going for $150 on the RMAH

2. Grand Sword of Epicness is going for 1.4 million gold on the GAH

Sell the sword for 1.3 million gold, turn around and sell the 1.3 million gold for $260. It's interchangable.

The RMAH and GAH will actually be competing against each other.

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