ArenaNet, as a result, gets a huge group of people that they can be fairly confident will provide honest assessments of the game, eliminating the need to filter through huge numbers of people in the beta solely to trash the game. Everyone wins.
Talk about ignoring the complete opposite possibility.
Dang. I really wish that made sense.
Because companies always get the most honest feedback from their most diehard fans, always.
I don't know. I'm a pre-purchase customer and I sent in a lot of bug reports and flat out told them their game was broken due to overflow and the inability to play with friends.
I'm just making a point that if you're going to point at those who want to trash a game, as a reason something is good, pointing to those who defend it no matter what to say why it's bad is just as valid. -Devil's Advocate... Either way it's a poor excuse.
Edit: besides it's a stress test the only important feedback is how servers handle an influx of players.
There's a difference. The fans will find something broken and submit bug reports. I submitted a few myself... one was a broken skill point, can't remember the other couple. It's those there purely to trash it that gunk up the works with crap.
Now I did see a lot of that on the beta forums. People asking them to add things that were 100% fluff instead of focusing on bringing attention to things that were broken. I think I sent in a bug report on that same skill point if it was in Beetletun.
If you want to nit pick, thats your choce, but your solely responsible for missing out on the fun. I strongly suggest you bite the bullet and stop missing out.
If your "fun" equals encouraging corporate greed, then I'll pass, sorry. Not only it's not fun, it's also quite irresponsible. You're hurting the entire gaming community right now, my friend.
Really? THIS is your cursade? There are homless in the street, starvation world wide, all kinds of problems to be fixed, and your campain is against "greedy" game publishers? Irresponsible? Come on, it is a GAME. If one of the bonus' for buying it early is that you can help them test things out (and yes, there was problems in the BWE that I did mention to Anet) so what? I refuse to buy Diablo 3 because of how blizzard is lying and saying that always having to be on line is not a DRM thing. Do you see me going over there and cursading my cause? No, that would be dumb. I just didnt buy into the lie.
This is why I hate kids today.. everything is so black and white, life or death. No one can just enjoy something anymore.
There's a difference. The fans will find something broken and submit bug reports. I submitted a few myself... one was a broken skill point, can't remember the other couple. It's those there purely to trash it that gunk up the works with crap.
You act like this sort would be a huge majority of the testers. Anway..I digress, as I don't agree with you nor what I said, I was just pointing out what the otherside would say to that.
This is a stress test, this isn't about finding bugs or submitting feedback on the game-play/sights/lacks etc..., this is 100% about finding issues with the severs internally. They have actual testers for actual feedback on a regular basis ( well I hope they do).
As far as a stress test goes it makes sense to have a preset expectation of those who may possibly log in, it's natural and tells them exactly where the stress starts and eventually kills the hamsters. When and if they need an indication of the massess jumping in they'll do an open test.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There's a difference. The fans will find something broken and submit bug reports. I submitted a few myself... one was a broken skill point, can't remember the other couple. It's those there purely to trash it that gunk up the works with crap.
You act like this sort would be a huge majority of the testers. Anway..I digress, as I don't agree with you nor what I said, I was just pointing out what the otherside would say to that.
This is a stress test, this isn't about finding bugs or submitting feedback on the game-play/sights/lacks etc..., this is 100% about finding issues with the severs internally. They have actual testers for actual feedback on a regular basis ( well I hope they do).
As far as a stress test goes it makes sense to have a preset expectation of those who may possibly log in, it's natural and tells them exactly where the stress starts and eventually kills the hamsters. When and if they need an indication of the massess jumping in they'll do an open test.
Maybe we dont need a devils advocate. Seriously, youve beaten the horse to death already with this stuff.
Ive noticed the GW2 crowd is smart, and we have a great community so far. Your services are not needed. Thanks.
There's a difference. The fans will find something broken and submit bug reports. I submitted a few myself... one was a broken skill point, can't remember the other couple. It's those there purely to trash it that gunk up the works with crap.
You act like this sort would be a huge majority of the testers. Anway..I digress, as I don't agree with you nor what I said, I was just pointing out what the otherside would say to that.
This is a stress test, this isn't about finding bugs or submitting feedback on the game-play/sights/lacks etc..., this is 100% about finding issues with the severs internally. They have actual testers for actual feedback on a regular basis ( well I hope they do).
As far as a stress test goes it makes sense to have a preset expectation of those who may possibly log in, it's natural and tells them exactly where the stress starts and eventually kills the hamsters. When and if they need an indication of the massess jumping in they'll do an open test.
Maybe we dont need a devils advocate. Seriously, youve beaten the horse to death already with this stuff.
Ive noticed the GW2 crowd is smart, and we have a great community so far. Your services are not needed. Thanks.
You don't understand why I said everything I did? DId you bother reading any further than that first line? I'm trying to point out why they're doing what they're doing, it's not because of haters, it's not because of yes men. It's because they're a smart company, and don't need the masses just yet. It's as simple as that. I just get sick of the constant digs back and forth that continually instigate the other side and points these fingers.
Yeah that may sound ironic, but all of us do it when we're sick of something. Like you are of my "devil's advocate"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hahah so first...why do a stress test on Monday when everyone is working?
And second, I already took off that day to be here for a maintenance person HAHAHAHA .
Because its a bad understanding of the process that you test to failure.
You don't test to failure when you hae already identified a problem. They identified some problems in BWE. Now they are testing their hypothesis/changes with metrics. If their hypothesis matches the metrics and the changes they make give them the metrics they beleive are good, then they will have a high confidence they are ready for the next BWE.
They need a decent sample they, enough to put the servers under some stress. Not stress the servers to failure.
If you want to nit pick, thats your choce, but your solely responsible for missing out on the fun. I strongly suggest you bite the bullet and stop missing out.
If your "fun" equals encouraging corporate greed, then I'll pass, sorry. Not only it's not fun, it's also quite irresponsible. You're hurting the entire gaming community right now, my friend.
Really? THIS is your cursade? There are homless in the street, starvation world wide, all kinds of problems to be fixed, and your campain is against "greedy" game publishers? Irresponsible? Come on, it is a GAME. If one of the bonus' for buying it early is that you can help them test things out (and yes, there was problems in the BWE that I did mention to Anet) so what? I refuse to buy Diablo 3 because of how blizzard is lying and saying that always having to be on line is not a DRM thing. Do you see me going over there and cursading my cause? No, that would be dumb. I just didnt buy into the lie.
This is why I hate kids today.. everything is so black and white, life or death. No one can just enjoy something anymore.
I particularly enjoyed your last sentence, right on the back of saying that you refuse to enjoy Diablo 3 over a DRM disagreement with the publisher.
To the first part of your statement, you don't know a thing about the poster you're replying to. He may work in a soup kitchen, or he may be a huge supporter for countless charities worldwide that help in many great causes. His opinion stated here likely didn't take him a long time to type out and submit, so calling this a 'crusade' seems a bit premature.
While I don't agree with his statement about it being corporate greed, I do agree that requiring a pre-purchase to acquire a beta slot might harm the gaming community in the long run. If developers continue to run things this way I can see them offering access to testing sooner and sooner in the development phase as long as you're willing to pay. I don't think it would be too far fetched to see them offering alpha access with pre-purchase.
How does that hurt the game, you may ask? A person who's paid actual money for a game has a much different mentality going into testing than someone who has either volunteered or is being compensated for their testing input, regardless of what some in this forum will have you believe. Many gamers may have the best of intentions going into a beta, but once they've put down cold hard cash they create an expectation that will likely not be delivered in any phase of testing.
This forum during the first BWE is a great example of that mentality with all the complaint threads regarding limited access and connectivity issues.
It wouldn't be out of the question at that point for the testing community to simply stop playing 'until things are fixed', and of course the developers need the feedback that they're no longer recieving in order to fix the bugs.
This is all speculation of course.
Edited so as to not be an absolutist. Edits in bold.
If you want to nit pick, thats your choce, but your solely responsible for missing out on the fun. I strongly suggest you bite the bullet and stop missing out.
If your "fun" equals encouraging corporate greed, then I'll pass, sorry. Not only it's not fun, it's also quite irresponsible. You're hurting the entire gaming community right now, my friend.
Really? THIS is your cursade? There are homless in the street, starvation world wide, all kinds of problems to be fixed, and your campain is against "greedy" game publishers? Irresponsible? Come on, it is a GAME. If one of the bonus' for buying it early is that you can help them test things out (and yes, there was problems in the BWE that I did mention to Anet) so what? I refuse to buy Diablo 3 because of how blizzard is lying and saying that always having to be on line is not a DRM thing. Do you see me going over there and cursading my cause? No, that would be dumb. I just didnt buy into the lie.
This is why I hate kids today.. everything is so black and white, life or death. No one can just enjoy something anymore.
I particularly enjoyed your last sentence, right on the back of saying that you refuse to enjoy Diablo 3 over a DRM disagreement with the publisher.
To the first part of your statement, you don't know a thing about the poster you're replying to. He may work in a soup kitchen, or he may be a huge supporter for countless charities worldwide that help in many great causes. His opinion stated here likely didn't take him a long time to type out and submit, so calling this a 'crusade' seems a bit premature.
While I don't agree with his statement about it being corporate greed, I do agree that requiring a pre-purchase to acquire a beta slot harms the gaming community in the long run. If developers continue to run things this way I can see them offering access to testing sooner and sooner in the development phase as long as you're willing to pay. I don't think it would be too far fetched to see them offering alpha access with pre-purchase.
How does that hurt the game, you may ask? A person who's paid actual money for a game has a much different mentality going into testing than someone who has either volunteered or is being compensated for their testing input, regardless of what some in this forum will have you believe. Many gamers may have the best of intentions going into a beta, but once they've put down cold hard cash they create an expectation that will likely not be delivered in any phase of testing.
This forum during the first BWE is a great example of that mentality with all the complaint threads regarding limited access and connectivity issues.
It wouldn't be out of the question at that point for the testing community to simply stop playing 'until things are fixed', and of course the developers need the feedback that they're no longer recieving in order to fix the bugs.
You know why I hate absolutely everybody? Because they are such absolutists about everything!
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Now I did see a lot of that on the beta forums. People asking them to add things that were 100% fluff instead of focusing on bringing attention to things that were broken. I think I sent in a bug report on that same skill point if it was in Beetletun.
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Really? THIS is your cursade? There are homless in the street, starvation world wide, all kinds of problems to be fixed, and your campain is against "greedy" game publishers? Irresponsible? Come on, it is a GAME. If one of the bonus' for buying it early is that you can help them test things out (and yes, there was problems in the BWE that I did mention to Anet) so what? I refuse to buy Diablo 3 because of how blizzard is lying and saying that always having to be on line is not a DRM thing. Do you see me going over there and cursading my cause? No, that would be dumb. I just didnt buy into the lie.
This is why I hate kids today.. everything is so black and white, life or death. No one can just enjoy something anymore.
You act like this sort would be a huge majority of the testers. Anway..I digress, as I don't agree with you nor what I said, I was just pointing out what the otherside would say to that.
This is a stress test, this isn't about finding bugs or submitting feedback on the game-play/sights/lacks etc..., this is 100% about finding issues with the severs internally. They have actual testers for actual feedback on a regular basis ( well I hope they do).
As far as a stress test goes it makes sense to have a preset expectation of those who may possibly log in, it's natural and tells them exactly where the stress starts and eventually kills the hamsters. When and if they need an indication of the massess jumping in they'll do an open test.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Maybe we dont need a devils advocate. Seriously, youve beaten the horse to death already with this stuff.
Ive noticed the GW2 crowd is smart, and we have a great community so far. Your services are not needed. Thanks.
You don't understand why I said everything I did? DId you bother reading any further than that first line? I'm trying to point out why they're doing what they're doing, it's not because of haters, it's not because of yes men. It's because they're a smart company, and don't need the masses just yet. It's as simple as that. I just get sick of the constant digs back and forth that continually instigate the other side and points these fingers.
Yeah that may sound ironic, but all of us do it when we're sick of something. Like you are of my "devil's advocate"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Because its a bad understanding of the process that you test to failure.
You don't test to failure when you hae already identified a problem. They identified some problems in BWE. Now they are testing their hypothesis/changes with metrics. If their hypothesis matches the metrics and the changes they make give them the metrics they beleive are good, then they will have a high confidence they are ready for the next BWE.
They need a decent sample they, enough to put the servers under some stress. Not stress the servers to failure.
I particularly enjoyed your last sentence, right on the back of saying that you refuse to enjoy Diablo 3 over a DRM disagreement with the publisher.
To the first part of your statement, you don't know a thing about the poster you're replying to. He may work in a soup kitchen, or he may be a huge supporter for countless charities worldwide that help in many great causes. His opinion stated here likely didn't take him a long time to type out and submit, so calling this a 'crusade' seems a bit premature.
While I don't agree with his statement about it being corporate greed, I do agree that requiring a pre-purchase to acquire a beta slot might harm the gaming community in the long run. If developers continue to run things this way I can see them offering access to testing sooner and sooner in the development phase as long as you're willing to pay. I don't think it would be too far fetched to see them offering alpha access with pre-purchase.
How does that hurt the game, you may ask? A person who's paid actual money for a game has a much different mentality going into testing than someone who has either volunteered or is being compensated for their testing input, regardless of what some in this forum will have you believe. Many gamers may have the best of intentions going into a beta, but once they've put down cold hard cash they create an expectation that will likely not be delivered in any phase of testing.
This forum during the first BWE is a great example of that mentality with all the complaint threads regarding limited access and connectivity issues.
It wouldn't be out of the question at that point for the testing community to simply stop playing 'until things are fixed', and of course the developers need the feedback that they're no longer recieving in order to fix the bugs.
This is all speculation of course.
Edited so as to not be an absolutist. Edits in bold.
You know why I hate absolutely everybody? Because they are such absolutists about everything!
Original post edited to address this issue.
East Coast here. I am ready to play and get some GW2 fix.