The reasons below is why im not commiting to Tera...
1) I want to see how the game pans out after the first monthly subscription is due -(pretty sure its going to go same way
as other mmos sinse wow, because pay monthly is a rip off i think to most mmoers, so they grind the game as quickly as possible to avoid the payments each month (more mothly bills = hassle)
Umm, are you not aware that this game has been LIVE in Asia since January of ***2011***.
Yeah, the game has been going and been updated for over a year already...and they are only getting around the the PvP changes now. This F2P quality game is going to stay P2P for a while yet since sales from the west will keep its playerbase up just long enough for them to rape the world of a few 10s of millions of dollars before going F2P to stay alive.
Yup... I'll wait to play TERA when it becomes a f2p game.
It's not really logical reasonining to go by past MMO flops and hater's description of the game as a "grindfest".
TERA is different, with its combat if nothing else. But that combat is really amazing, and I feel it will ensure a good loyal sub base as long as they keep updating the game.
If you really wanted to be logical, you could look at past history and realize that haters are always waiting on the next big thing that's going to be totally fantastic and anything out now is garbage, and then the next big thing comes out and it's awful.
I've already gotten my $50 worth of entertainment from this game. I've certainly put in more hours then any single player game for the same price, and I'm having more fun. We'll see what the future holds, but for right now, TERA is the most fun MMO out and has a solid playerbase.
While it is prudent to wait a month or so to see how a game pans out after release. Even if it has been out somewhere else for awhile, just to see how it preforms and what type of updates and balancing they do to it.
This game is no more grindy than say SWTOR or Rift. A minor compliant is that all the fun and alternative content starts at 20. Which I semi dislike having to invest that much time in a game to simply have fun. While beyond the combat, everything else is a very much been there done that sort of feeling.
Go mow a yard you cheapskate, it's $15 dollars. I pay more than that to watch a movie that doesn't even last 2 hours.
Seriously, anybody that complains about paying $15 for something than can provide dozens of hours of entertainment needs to be smacked shitless with their own sense of entitlement. MMOs are about as good of a bang for your buck your going to get in this world.
Heres an example of thwe difference in mmos today and past ...
SOES STAR WARS GALAXIES - Had about 1.5 years of people [playing the game, it wasnt till later they made severe changes which forced players to leave in massive amounts. Peopel were paying every month because it was an mmo, it was worth coming back to because everything was an interactive experience, and a real world enviroinment.
Biowares SWTOR- Lasted 1.5 months max after everyone had grinded one profession to max level and had no mmo aspects afterwards to keep them coming back. All they get is to restart a bew character gioing through the same quests etc as their original characters. There is mostly light servers all across swtors server list and it lasted 1.5-2 months if thAT !!!
tO ME THAT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING SOE EVER DID, BUT PEOPLE KEEP BUTYING INTO THIS SYSTEM !!!
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You do realize that even now, almost 6 months after SWTOR launched it likely has 2 times as many subs (if not more) than SWG ever did at its peak, right?
Now, why did you start this thread again, oh yeah, to bash TERA.
Look, you were ruined by your time in SWG and unless you learn to let it go and enjoy today's MMO's for the fun they have and stop focusing on what they lack you'll never have fun in a game again.
TERA's combat alone makes it worth playing for a time, even if its not the be-all, end all MMO for you.
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If u dont play tera we dont care for your "why im not playing tera" posts? Is this some kind of attention forum for ppl that aint playing tera or have reached lv 10 and think they have seen everything on tera and have right on a opinion?
The reasons below is why im not commiting to Tera...
1) I want to see how the game pans out after the first monthly subscription is due -(pretty sure its going to go same way
as other mmos sinse wow, because pay monthly is a rip off i think to most mmoers, so they grind the game as quickly as possible to avoid the payments each month (more mothly bills = hassle)
Thats why you think people level up as quickly as possible? To avoid a 15.00 charge? They put over 100 hours into hardcoring it to avoid a charge of 15 dollars which a lot of players make in 1 hour if not then 2 hours.
15 dollars is nothing. NOTHING. All these people waiting for F2P are just silly. How much do you pay when you go to the movies? When you go out to eat? etc. How much entertainment time do those things offer? As far as entertainment goes I can't think of anything that you can pay 15.00 a month for and be provided with more hours of entertainment.
Im not saying millions of playersa on one server exactly but everyone playing on one server, with each zone in the game hosting say max 150 players at a time ? this system if it could be mastered would make playing mmos as a groupie or group player, much better when everyone leaves after month one. The only time youd have no one to group with ever, is WHEN THE GAMNE HAS LESS THAN SAY 10k PLAYERS or much lower perhaps.
Look at swtor therre is 240 servers and each server is light meaning there is 240 servers with not ebnough players in game on each sever, in each zone. Its a poor show that companies cant master this concept.
Whats tyhe point in playing swtor if on your server there is 10 people on the map your on but you need 4 of them to do the group quests you on ? Stupid idea even continuing this payment model, the players playing swtor just nowe are getting ripped off, because trhe player base is spread out over 240 servers and no one in game can get a group most times bevcause of this shitty system.
All those players on those 240 servers, if it was possible to talk to eachy other and form gropus onm a server system like guild wars had it would be awesome for the people who buy 6 months subs
Kooshdin, I can understand your position with TERA, while I am playing the game currently, I got burned bad by SWTOR as well and have been overly skeptical of any subscription-based game for a while now. I know its easy to get burned by bad games and to lose faith, I haven't completely lost faith yet, I still think the monthly subscription model can work.
But on another point you mentioned about the SWTOR zones being deserted, and I apologize if anyoneelse has already mentioned this to you, but TERA uses a channel system (similar to EQ2 if I recall) where instead of a million lightly populated servers the servers are heavily populated and you can choose between ~5 channels of a zone depending on whether you want to see lots of people, or not see anyone.
Another thread mentioned that currently TERA has 700k subscribers (some number from a GM?, there's a SS going around with this so yes pics and it DID happen), but currently TERA has 11 servers and I see no reason for them to add more currently. So we are talking about ~63,000 players per server. I think this blows away any server for SWTOR.
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60k seems like a lot, I wonder if the 700,000 number is US/EU combined, so its probably more like half that.
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I will try to avoid any "free" MMORPG from now on.
I've played a dozen of games with ingame shops, and that's not working for me.
Everything is based on what you're able buy to be successful.
Tera isn't free but I already see the results regarding the quality of the game, and we will see more in the future when the patches will come.
The only thing I didn't like (as well for SWTOR) is the price of the game itself: since it's working with a subscription system, why let us pay such a large amount of money for the game itself? I think $20 or $30 would have been a fair price....
But Tera is refreshing, and I really like it: hopely this will last longer than SWTOR or even Rift (as far as I'm concerned).
Heres an example of thwe difference in mmos today and past ...
SOES STAR WARS GALAXIES - Had about 1.5 years of people [playing the game, it wasnt till later they made severe changes which forced players to leave in massive amounts. Peopel were paying every month because it was an mmo, it was worth coming back to because everything was an interactive experience, and a real world enviroinment.
SWG was losing subs well before the nge/cu. They didn't make a massive overhaul of a game that was retaining customers or growing population.
Biowares SWTOR- Lasted 1.5 months max after everyone had grinded one profession to max level and had no mmo aspects afterwards to keep them coming back. All they get is to restart a bew character gioing through the same quests etc as their original characters. There is mostly light servers all across swtors server list and it lasted 1.5-2 months if thAT !!!
While I don't refute that SWToR has a much faster leveling curve, and while I won't refute that this is probably a factor in their retention issues, it is important to note that SWToR still has more than twice the population that SWG ever did; pre- or post- cu/nge.
tO ME THAT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING SOE EVER DID, BUT PEOPLE KEEP BUTYING INTO THIS SYSTEM !!!
And understand that the 'SWG' games appealed to hundreds of thousands of players. And understand that 'SWToR' games appeal to millions upon millions of players. And understanding that, you will understand the system you aren't buying into a little better.
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You'll be waiting a while.
It's not really logical reasonining to go by past MMO flops and hater's description of the game as a "grindfest".
TERA is different, with its combat if nothing else. But that combat is really amazing, and I feel it will ensure a good loyal sub base as long as they keep updating the game.
If you really wanted to be logical, you could look at past history and realize that haters are always waiting on the next big thing that's going to be totally fantastic and anything out now is garbage, and then the next big thing comes out and it's awful.
I've already gotten my $50 worth of entertainment from this game. I've certainly put in more hours then any single player game for the same price, and I'm having more fun. We'll see what the future holds, but for right now, TERA is the most fun MMO out and has a solid playerbase.
While it is prudent to wait a month or so to see how a game pans out after release. Even if it has been out somewhere else for awhile, just to see how it preforms and what type of updates and balancing they do to it.
This game is no more grindy than say SWTOR or Rift. A minor compliant is that all the fun and alternative content starts at 20. Which I semi dislike having to invest that much time in a game to simply have fun. While beyond the combat, everything else is a very much been there done that sort of feeling.
Go mow a yard you cheapskate, it's $15 dollars. I pay more than that to watch a movie that doesn't even last 2 hours.
Seriously, anybody that complains about paying $15 for something than can provide dozens of hours of entertainment needs to be smacked shitless with their own sense of entitlement. MMOs are about as good of a bang for your buck your going to get in this world.
You do realize that even now, almost 6 months after SWTOR launched it likely has 2 times as many subs (if not more) than SWG ever did at its peak, right?
Now, why did you start this thread again, oh yeah, to bash TERA.
Look, you were ruined by your time in SWG and unless you learn to let it go and enjoy today's MMO's for the fun they have and stop focusing on what they lack you'll never have fun in a game again.
TERA's combat alone makes it worth playing for a time, even if its not the be-all, end all MMO for you.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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If u dont play tera we dont care for your "why im not playing tera" posts? Is this some kind of attention forum for ppl that aint playing tera or have reached lv 10 and think they have seen everything on tera and have right on a opinion?
Thats why you think people level up as quickly as possible? To avoid a 15.00 charge? They put over 100 hours into hardcoring it to avoid a charge of 15 dollars which a lot of players make in 1 hour if not then 2 hours.
15 dollars is nothing. NOTHING. All these people waiting for F2P are just silly. How much do you pay when you go to the movies? When you go out to eat? etc. How much entertainment time do those things offer? As far as entertainment goes I can't think of anything that you can pay 15.00 a month for and be provided with more hours of entertainment.
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Im not saying millions of playersa on one server exactly but everyone playing on one server, with each zone in the game hosting say max 150 players at a time ? this system if it could be mastered would make playing mmos as a groupie or group player, much better when everyone leaves after month one. The only time youd have no one to group with ever, is WHEN THE GAMNE HAS LESS THAN SAY 10k PLAYERS or much lower perhaps.
Look at swtor therre is 240 servers and each server is light meaning there is 240 servers with not ebnough players in game on each sever, in each zone. Its a poor show that companies cant master this concept.
Whats tyhe point in playing swtor if on your server there is 10 people on the map your on but you need 4 of them to do the group quests you on ? Stupid idea even continuing this payment model, the players playing swtor just nowe are getting ripped off, because trhe player base is spread out over 240 servers and no one in game can get a group most times bevcause of this shitty system.
All those players on those 240 servers, if it was possible to talk to eachy other and form gropus onm a server system like guild wars had it would be awesome for the people who buy 6 months subs
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Kooshdin, I can understand your position with TERA, while I am playing the game currently, I got burned bad by SWTOR as well and have been overly skeptical of any subscription-based game for a while now. I know its easy to get burned by bad games and to lose faith, I haven't completely lost faith yet, I still think the monthly subscription model can work.
But on another point you mentioned about the SWTOR zones being deserted, and I apologize if anyoneelse has already mentioned this to you, but TERA uses a channel system (similar to EQ2 if I recall) where instead of a million lightly populated servers the servers are heavily populated and you can choose between ~5 channels of a zone depending on whether you want to see lots of people, or not see anyone.
Another thread mentioned that currently TERA has 700k subscribers (some number from a GM?, there's a SS going around with this so yes pics and it DID happen), but currently TERA has 11 servers and I see no reason for them to add more currently. So we are talking about ~63,000 players per server. I think this blows away any server for SWTOR.
**edit**
60k seems like a lot, I wonder if the 700,000 number is US/EU combined, so its probably more like half that.
"They essentially want to say 'Correlation proves Causation' when it's just not true." - Sovrath
I will try to avoid any "free" MMORPG from now on.
I've played a dozen of games with ingame shops, and that's not working for me.
Everything is based on what you're able buy to be successful.
Tera isn't free but I already see the results regarding the quality of the game, and we will see more in the future when the patches will come.
The only thing I didn't like (as well for SWTOR) is the price of the game itself: since it's working with a subscription system, why let us pay such a large amount of money for the game itself? I think $20 or $30 would have been a fair price....
But Tera is refreshing, and I really like it: hopely this will last longer than SWTOR or even Rift (as far as I'm concerned).