Release date leaked by gamestop

warmaster670 · May 2012

Really? we still get this crap? when are people going to realize that gamestop and any other retailer, more than likely doesnt know any better than you when a games coming out.

SuperXero89 · May 2012

Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by fiontar

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Originally posted by Korgborg

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Originally posted by Byrhofen

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Originally posted by vee41

Originally posted by SuperXero89

LMAO!

"before they all got burried by people claiming to have found Jesus"

It's also enough to prove that you were, quite possibly, in a small minority.

It's frustating I know, hope you work it out.

... and @ MMO_REVIEWER It's just plain rude to suggest someone should update their graphics drivers! /jk

That or they stopped playing because they got a headache running around with 12 FPS. I know that played a large part in why I didn't play nonstop all weekend. Yes, performance did seem to improve, but optimization still needed major work, and the game was almost entirely CPU bound, a far cry from simply needing a few pre-release touchups as you seem to indicate.

People who can't play, post, and usually to vent their frustration. If anything, the game servers got busier and busier as the weekend progressed.

BTW, as to frame rates, I have a friend who played on a laptop with a GPU that just barely exceeded the minimum specs and rated Low/Low and the GPU performance estimate chart that's been floating around. He had some noticeable slow down in frame rates when there were dozens of people on screen, but he said even then it never became a "slide show" and was still playable. The rest of the time, he found the frame rate very acceptable and never had it dip low enough to be noticeable. He did set most things to low, but he was also happy with how the game looked.

I have a beefier system with a Geforce 570GTX and AMD Phenom II X6 running at 4.03 Ghz. Even though they warned that the game was not currently optimized to make much use of GPU power on higher end GPUs, I was able to play on max settings with no FPS issues, even during large events.

At some point, people need to just take responsibility for the fact that if you play on a low spec system, you may have to live with less than optimal performance. However, I was very happy that my friend found it completely playable, even before any serious optimization has taken place for the client.

Where there some people with good systems that had frame rate issues? Apparently, but a.) the game still needs to be optimized and b.) complaints to that effect were few and far between.

I don't care about anyone's personal experiences (copied from my previous post)

They were not few and far between. mmorpg.com and the GW2 beta forums were lit up like a Christmas tree with people complaining about issues. Your selective memory and desire to see GW2 in a more positive light apparently makes it difficult for you to recall.

I'm sorry, but that is just completely not true. For a test with hundreds of thousands of participants, the volume and scope of issues were extremely small. I must have spent at least ten hours total in the days following the end of the event reading every thread I could find on the beta forums that would give me an idea how the test fared for the masses. There were no indications of severe, wide spread issues.

Maybe you haven't been involved in many MMO betas, but I've seen 20X or more the volume of issues related feedback on games with a tenth the number of testers!

I think you are considering a few dozen people having a shared issues to be an indication of a widespread problem, totally forgetting that there were indeed hundreds of thousands of testers.

I've seen beta forum melt downs under an avelanche of widespread issues and the GW2 BWE1 feedback was about as completely the opposite of that as I can imagine. Most games don't get such a low ratio of complaints/issues just before launch and many continue to track major complaints for months after launch.

You are literally making a mountain out of a tiny mole hill!

(BTW, I love the irony of your statements that people's personal experiences don't matter, while taking the personal experiences of maybe 1/10th of 1% of all testers who reported major issues as indicitive of wide spread issues).

How many of the "hundreds of thousands of participants" in the beta actually bother to even post on any forums? You've opened up a real pandoras box with that one.

12 FPS while doing anything interesting is not making a mountain out of a molehill now and it sure won't be at release. That's calling an unplayable game unplayable.

The point of bringing up issues of people with problems indicates the validity of my statements when I say problems exist. When your only counter arguments are I didn't have any problems or my best friend's wife's brother didn't have any problems, you aren't countering anything I'm saying. You are only saying that because you never encountered problems and because your friends never encountered problems, there either are no problems or they are so minut that they are a non-issue.

Anet went so far as to say the game is nearly 100% CPU bound. At this point it's a virtual crapshoot as to whether or not you get a solid framerate. That's another reason why I don't care about your personal experiences. The game isn't even close to optimized at this point, so stop trying to argue.

As of right now, there's next to nothing that you've said that I haven't heard from a SW:TOR fanboy or a fan of any of the failed beta tests that I'm oh so sure you've actually participated in. It's easy to sweep major problems under the rug, calling them minor, non-issues, but you better be sure you're consistant when you do such.

Korgborg · May 2012

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Korgborg

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Byrhofen

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by vee41

Originally posted by SuperXero89

LMAO!

"before they all got burried by people claiming to have found Jesus"

It's also enough to prove that you were, quite possibly, in a small minority.

It's frustating I know, hope you work it out.

... and @ MMO_REVIEWER It's just plain rude to suggest someone should update their graphics drivers! /jk

That or they stopped playing because they got a headache running around with 12 FPS. I know that played a large part in why I didn't play nonstop all weekend. Yes, performance did seem to improve, but optimization still needed major work, and the game was almost entirely CPU bound, a far cry from simply needing a few pre-release touchups as you seem to indicate.

Sorry, don't remember indicating it only needed "a few pre-release touchups" My bad.

Again, hope you work it out.

Kykyryz-a · May 2012

SuperXero89- (as much as i dont get ppl who add their birth year in nicknames)

we all got it ok you can stop being fat troll... as you answering to any actuall example with Copy/ pasting you own words "i dont care about other ppl i hate world and everythg onside it"

Cmon give it a rest go play what ever you like if you was in BE want to check todays Stress test and tring to say only Press is invited for it.... just strange.

oh and just to remind you OP was "Release date"

i know you want 3k posts but its time to switch to new one

Excession · May 2012

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Byrhofen

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by vee41

Originally posted by SuperXero89

TSW's release date is nearly a month away and people are freaking out over the state of the game as seen in this weekend's beta test. Unless Anet puts some major work into their game, fans better hope GW2 isn't released a mere 10 days later. The last beta weekend was an epic mess, and I hope to see some major improvement on Monday's stress test and the May beta weekend.

I can predict lots of people disagreeing with you soon..

Apart from few hours I could not login everything worked smooth as pie for me. And the build they are using for todays stress test is same used for first BWE.

I don't doubt it, and they will be proven wrong.

Proven wrong how?

Yes, there were some login issues on the friday, but once they were sorted out, it was fairly smooth for the rest of the BWE.

Far from the epic mess you claim it to have been.

Do they have things that need to be fixed or worked on, of course they do, but all MMOs are the same, even ones that have been released.

Again, that does not make it the epic mess that you claim it to have been.

Actually, I would go so far as to say having played GW2 during the BWE, and playing TSW during its BWE, GW2 is closer to a releaseable state than TSW is.

I don't care about anyone's personal experiences. I did not experience any login issues on Friday, likewise, I guess you didn't experience a crippling framerate, massive lag, or broken instance loading. Login issues of a different sort even pervaded all throughout the beta. God help you if you logged out in the Mists as you're gonna have to spam the login button about 25 times to finally get in. Fact of the matter is even if you or I didn't experience all of these specific issues, it doesn't mean they didn't occur in any capacity. The huge propensity of threads made about the subject during the beta weekend is evidence enough of that.

Couple all these issues with the massive AoE spam during dynamic events and the broken melee combat, and issues with the overflow server, I'd say Guild Wars 2 needs far more time in the oven than TSW. Everyone keeps going on about how bad the animations and optimization are in TSW, but the animations in GW2 were never the greatest and at least TSW actually realizes I have a video card installed in my machine. GW2 is more poorly optimized than Vanguard was at release, and that alone will absolutely kill the game unless they make massive changes between now and release.

Right, so you do not care about anyone's personal experiences, but then you go on to lump together a few "personal experiences" that people mentioned on forums, to add weight to your view point.

Hypocritical dont you think?

At the end of the day, everything posted on all the various forums and gaming sites with regards to GW2 and the BWE, all boils down to someones personal experience and what they thought of it.

Considering that the majority of those personal experiences were positive, the BWE for GW2 was still far from the epic mess you claim it was.

To go one step further, considering you do not care about anyones personal experiences, the BWE for GW2 had no issues at all, everything was fine, and the people that did claim to have issues are invalid, as their personal experience does not count ;P

Loke666 · May 2012

Originally posted by Loktofeit
Never ever consider a GameStop release date to be an official release date.

Next you tell us that Amazons dates are exact science either...

I have a feeling that ANET might give us a date a week or so after the next BWE.

aesperus · May 2012

1) It's only a stress test. They do a stress test before all main BWEs. They even did something similar w/ GW1.

2) We don't have a release date. Let me repeat that. We do not have a release date. If you are trusting gamestop for accurate info, then I really hope you haven't started the bulk of your education yet. You've got a lot to learn.

3) Graphic tweaks are always the last things to touch a game. This is without exception. Even look at TSW's graphics. They aren't optimised yet either. Graphical tweaks come only when a company feels they have the final build of the game. Never before. This is because further tweaks to the client could throw off thier optimization, depending on what they need to do. If anything, once you start seeing graphics being tweaked heavily, you can expect a release to come usually within a month or 2.

- Expect multiple BWEs. They had a bunch w/ GW1 leading up to release, and continued to tweak the game with each one. We've seen that the game has a lot in it, and a lot of the features are in, and working more or less correct. However, there are still a lot of bugs, minor tweaks, and features that need to be added in addition to the 2 other races. It's looking like the asura may possibly be in the next BWE, but we haven't seen even a hint of the sylvari yet.

aesperus · May 2012

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Never ever consider a GameStop release date to be an official release date.

Next you tell us that Amazons dates are exact science either...

I have a feeling that ANET might give us a date a week or so after the next BWE.

I think that's really going to depend on the feedback they get from the next event. Some things they won't be able to change much about (personal story), but others they seem to be pretty concerned about making sure they are right before they push this game out.

SuperXero89 · May 2012

Originally posted by Kykyryz-a
SuperXero89- (as much as i dont get ppl who add their birth year in nicknames)

Because the name without the numbers was taken?

we all got it ok you can stop being fat troll... as you answering to any actuall example with Copy/ pasting you own words "i dont care about other ppl i hate world and everythg onside it"

I tell people I don't care, and yet people do nothing else but give me more personal anecdotes.

Cmon give it a rest go play what ever you like if you was in BE want to check todays Stress test and tring to say only Press is invited for it.... just strange

It would be strange IF I said that. I didn't say that, so I don't know what you're talking about.

oh and just to remind you OP was "Release date"

And I think you would be hard pressed to argue that I didn't voice my opinion on that subject; however, dare I make any sort of derogatory comment about GW2 and I get swamped with people, calling me an idiot saying that the GW2 beta weekend was far and away one of the most hassle free betas they've ever been a part of. I will defend what I said and if it takes 4 pages of nothing but me arguing with other people to get my point across, so be it. My entire point of existance isn't to please you or to make this forum a better place. If you can't handle what I have to say, put me on ignore and get on with your life.

i know you want 3k posts but its time to switch to new one

fiontar · May 2012

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by fiontar

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Korgborg

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by MMO_REVIEWER

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Byrhofen

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by vee41

Originally posted by SuperXero89

LMAO!

"before they all got burried by people claiming to have found Jesus"

It's also enough to prove that you were, quite possibly, in a small minority.

It's frustating I know, hope you work it out.

... and @ MMO_REVIEWER It's just plain rude to suggest someone should update their graphics drivers! /jk

That or they stopped playing because they got a headache running around with 12 FPS. I know that played a large part in why I didn't play nonstop all weekend. Yes, performance did seem to improve, but optimization still needed major work, and the game was almost entirely CPU bound, a far cry from simply needing a few pre-release touchups as you seem to indicate.

People who can't play, post, and usually to vent their frustration. If anything, the game servers got busier and busier as the weekend progressed.

BTW, as to frame rates, I have a friend who played on a laptop with a GPU that just barely exceeded the minimum specs and rated Low/Low and the GPU performance estimate chart that's been floating around. He had some noticeable slow down in frame rates when there were dozens of people on screen, but he said even then it never became a "slide show" and was still playable. The rest of the time, he found the frame rate very acceptable and never had it dip low enough to be noticeable. He did set most things to low, but he was also happy with how the game looked.

I have a beefier system with a Geforce 570GTX and AMD Phenom II X6 running at 4.03 Ghz. Even though they warned that the game was not currently optimized to make much use of GPU power on higher end GPUs, I was able to play on max settings with no FPS issues, even during large events.

At some point, people need to just take responsibility for the fact that if you play on a low spec system, you may have to live with less than optimal performance. However, I was very happy that my friend found it completely playable, even before any serious optimization has taken place for the client.

Where there some people with good systems that had frame rate issues? Apparently, but a.) the game still needs to be optimized and b.) complaints to that effect were few and far between.

I don't care about anyone's personal experiences (copied from my previous post)

They were not few and far between. mmorpg.com and the GW2 beta forums were lit up like a Christmas tree with people complaining about issues. Your selective memory and desire to see GW2 in a more positive light apparently makes it difficult for you to recall.

I'm sorry, but that is just completely not true. For a test with hundreds of thousands of participants, the volume and scope of issues were extremely small. I must have spent at least ten hours total in the days following the end of the event reading every thread I could find on the beta forums that would give me an idea how the test fared for the masses. There were no indications of severe, wide spread issues.

Maybe you haven't been involved in many MMO betas, but I've seen 20X or more the volume of issues related feedback on games with a tenth the number of testers!

I think you are considering a few dozen people having a shared issues to be an indication of a widespread problem, totally forgetting that there were indeed hundreds of thousands of testers.

I've seen beta forum melt downs under an avelanche of widespread issues and the GW2 BWE1 feedback was about as completely the opposite of that as I can imagine. Most games don't get such a low ratio of complaints/issues just before launch and many continue to track major complaints for months after launch.

You are literally making a mountain out of a tiny mole hill!

(BTW, I love the irony of your statements that people's personal experiences don't matter, while taking the personal experiences of maybe 1/10th of 1% of all testers who reported major issues as indicitive of wide spread issues).

How many of the "hundreds of thousands of participants" in the beta actually bother to even post on any forums? You've opened up a real pandoras box with that one.

12 FPS while doing anything interesting is not making a mountain out of a molehill now and it sure won't be at release. That's calling an unplayable game unplayable.

The point of bringing up issues of people with problems indicates the validity of my statements when I say problems exist. When your only counter arguments are I didn't have any problems or my best friend's wife's brother didn't have any problems, you aren't countering anything I'm saying. You are only saying that because you never encountered problems and because your friends never encountered problems, there either are no problems or they are so minut that they are a non-issue.

Anet went so far as to say the game is nearly 100% CPU bound. At this point it's a virtual crapshoot as to whether or not you get a solid framerate. That's another reason why I don't care about your personal experiences. The game isn't even close to optimized at this point, so stop trying to argue.

As of right now, there's next to nothing that you've said that I haven't heard from a SW:TOR fanboy or a fan of any of the failed beta tests that I'm oh so sure you've actually participated in. It's easy to sweep major problems under the rug, calling them minor, non-issues, but you better be sure you're consistant when you do such.

I think some are taking this issue completely outside the scope of reason and logic. I think most people at all familiar with how MMORPG betas play out and the nature of feedback during and after such events will agree that GW2 BWE1 was a lot smoother and exhibited a lot fewer issues than what is seen or experienced during beta events for many other games just prior to launch.

I'll inject a last dose of experience and logic, then those immune to it can go dig themselves a deeper hole within their own arguements. People experiencing issues, espescially game stopping issues, are always much more likely to post on the forums with their complaints than people having a good experience are to take time out to post about the positives. There is a natural bias towards test forums being negative by nature, even for a test with relatively few issues.

The number, scope and breadth of serious or game stopping issues, or any other issues that might even draw tester hate like a lightning rod, showed in such small volume and at such a small ratio to positive and constructive discussion that those of us with any experience beta testing can safely say it was one very smooth beta event. A beta event that exhibited far fewer issues than a typical MMO at a similar, or even later, stage of testing.

If someone can't comprehend or acknowledge that, then it's pretty worthless to agrue with them, because they are just going to keep spinning their wheels, oblivious to reason and logic, as they get themselves mired deeper and deeper into a morasse of their own making.

Based entirely on what we did see in the first Weekend Beta Event, Guild Wars 2 is fairly polished, relatively bug free and while having a few notable issues, did not exhibit any issues that one would anticipate preventing the game's smooth release with in a couple months of that test, assuming that the rest of the game were in similar condition and ready for launch in time for said release window.

I've done dozens of MMO Betas over the last twelve years and I do have some idea what I'm talking about.

BeansnBread · May 2012

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Kykyryz-a

SuperXero89- (as much as i dont get ppl who add their birth year in nicknames)

Because the name without the numbers was taken?

we all got it ok you can stop being fat troll... as you answering to any actuall example with Copy/ pasting you own words "i dont care about other ppl i hate world and everythg onside it"

I tell people I don't care, and yet people do nothing else but give me more personal anecdotes.

Cmon give it a rest go play what ever you like if you was in BE want to check todays Stress test and tring to say only Press is invited for it.... just strange

It would be strange IF I said that. I didn't say that, so I don't know what you're talking about.

oh and just to remind you OP was "Release date"

And I think you would be hard pressed to argue that I didn't voice my opinion on that subject; however, dare I make any sort of derogatory comment about GW2 and I get swamped with people, calling me an idiot saying that the GW2 beta weekend was far and away one of the most hassle free betas they've ever been a part of. I will defend what I said and if it takes 4 pages of nothing but me arguing with other people to get my point across, so be it. My entire point of existance isn't to please you or to make this forum a better place. If you can't handle what I have to say, put me on ignore and get on with your life.

i know you want 3k posts but its time to switch to new one

Well, I do still think you are ridiculous because you think that they won't get enough stress testers for the stress test.

They added more pre-purchases and can use the overflow servers to push more people in depending on what they want to accomplish this Monday.

Your argument is that it's from 1 to 8 PM EST and that there won't be enough people playing then to actually stress test. I think that is stupid. About as stupid as me not know what the actualy time of the event was.

SuperXero89 · May 2012

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by Kykyryz-a

SuperXero89- (as much as i dont get ppl who add their birth year in nicknames)

Because the name without the numbers was taken?

we all got it ok you can stop being fat troll... as you answering to any actuall example with Copy/ pasting you own words "i dont care about other ppl i hate world and everythg onside it"

I tell people I don't care, and yet people do nothing else but give me more personal anecdotes.

Cmon give it a rest go play what ever you like if you was in BE want to check todays Stress test and tring to say only Press is invited for it.... just strange

It would be strange IF I said that. I didn't say that, so I don't know what you're talking about.

oh and just to remind you OP was "Release date"

And I think you would be hard pressed to argue that I didn't voice my opinion on that subject; however, dare I make any sort of derogatory comment about GW2 and I get swamped with people, calling me an idiot saying that the GW2 beta weekend was far and away one of the most hassle free betas they've ever been a part of. I will defend what I said and if it takes 4 pages of nothing but me arguing with other people to get my point across, so be it. My entire point of existance isn't to please you or to make this forum a better place. If you can't handle what I have to say, put me on ignore and get on with your life.

i know you want 3k posts but its time to switch to new one

Well, I do still think you are ridiculous because you think that they won't get enough stress testers for the stress test.

They added more pre-purchases and can use the overflow servers to push more people in depending on what they want to accomplish this Monday.

Your argument is that it's from 1 to 8 PM EST and that there won't be enough people playing then to actually stress test. I think that is stupid. About as stupid as me not know what the actualy time of the event was.

I fully expect there to be a load of people playing at 8 PM EST but not so many at 2.

Korgborg · May 2012

If Anet pulls this off with better than a meta of 80/100 or 8.0 then I think they should be cannonized.

The level of venom directed at any developer these days had escalated to the point of insanity.

It's true quite a few games have disappointed but really?

SuperXero89 · May 2012

Originally posted by fiontar

I think some are taking this issue completely outside the scope of reason and logic. I think most people at all familiar with how MMORPG betas play out and the nature of feedback during and after such events will agree that GW2 BWE1 was a lot smoother and exhibited a lot fewer issues than what is seen or experienced during beta events for many other games just prior to launch.

I'll inject a last dose of experience and logic, then those immune to it can go dig themselves a deeper hole within their own arguements. People experiencing issues, espescially game stopping issues, are always much more likely to post on the forums with their complaints than people having a good experience are to take time out to post about the positives. There is a natural bias towards test forums being negative by nature, even for a test with relatively few issues.

The number, scope and breadth of serious or game stopping issues, or any other issues that might even draw tester hate like a lightning rod, showed in such small volume and at such a small ratio to positive and constructive discussion that those of us with any experience beta testing can safely say it was one very smooth beta event. A beta event that exhibited far fewer issues than a typical MMO at a similar, or even later, stage of testing.

If someone can't comprehend or acknowledge that, then it's pretty worthless to agrue with them, because they are just going to keep spinning their wheels, oblivious to reason and logic, as they get themselves mired deeper and deeper into a morasse of their own making.

Based entirely on what we did see in the first Weekend Beta Event, Guild Wars 2 is fairly polished, relatively bug free and while having a few notable issues, did not exhibit any issues that one would anticipate preventing the game's smooth release with in a couple months of that test, assuming that the rest of the game were in similar condition and ready for launch in time for said release window.

I've done dozens of MMO Betas over the last twelve years and I do have some idea what I'm talking about.

And I would tell you that when you have a real vested interest in the game, it becomes difficult to form an objective opinion about the subject mater. If the lag and optimization issues are fixed at launch (the most pressing concerns) then this will be a non-issue, but if not, I guess we'll see a few months down the road who was right.

Loke666 · May 2012

Originally posted by aesperus
I think that's really going to depend on the feedback they get from the next event. Some things they won't be able to change much about (personal story), but others they seem to be pretty concerned about making sure they are right before they push this game out.

True, and I am assuming that they patch in Asura and Sylvari to the next beta, if that wont happen it might take another month before we get our date.

doorb7 · May 2012

This is completely untrue, yes there were login issues, most likely down to the fact that a shit ton of ppl were logging in atthe same time, and yes there was an annoying bug with the overflow servers mixing friends up.However, that said, it ran super smooth, few bugs, non game breaking and less than a lot of released mmos have today. if it were released tomorrow fans would lap it up and it would be a huge success.

MMOExposed · May 2012

Before the game can come out, Anet has to shut down the advertisement of getting into beta weekends, and than they also have to set aside early access time.

Korgborg · May 2012

Originally posted by SuperXero89

Originally posted by fiontar

I think some are taking this issue completely outside the scope of reason and logic. I think most people at all familiar with how MMORPG betas play out and the nature of feedback during and after such events will agree that GW2 BWE1 was a lot smoother and exhibited a lot fewer issues than what is seen or experienced during beta events for many other games just prior to launch.

I'll inject a last dose of experience and logic, then those immune to it can go dig themselves a deeper hole within their own arguements. People experiencing issues, espescially game stopping issues, are always much more likely to post on the forums with their complaints than people having a good experience are to take time out to post about the positives. There is a natural bias towards test forums being negative by nature, even for a test with relatively few issues.

The number, scope and breadth of serious or game stopping issues, or any other issues that might even draw tester hate like a lightning rod, showed in such small volume and at such a small ratio to positive and constructive discussion that those of us with any experience beta testing can safely say it was one very smooth beta event. A beta event that exhibited far fewer issues than a typical MMO at a similar, or even later, stage of testing.

If someone can't comprehend or acknowledge that, then it's pretty worthless to agrue with them, because they are just going to keep spinning their wheels, oblivious to reason and logic, as they get themselves mired deeper and deeper into a morasse of their own making.

Based entirely on what we did see in the first Weekend Beta Event, Guild Wars 2 is fairly polished, relatively bug free and while having a few notable issues, did not exhibit any issues that one would anticipate preventing the game's smooth release with in a couple months of that test, assuming that the rest of the game were in similar condition and ready for launch in time for said release window.

I've done dozens of MMO Betas over the last twelve years and I do have some idea what I'm talking about.

And I would tell you that when you have a real vested interest in the game, it becomes difficult to form an objective opinion about the subject mater. If the lag and optimization issues are fixed at launch (the most pressing concerns) then this will be a non-issue, but if not, I guess we'll see a few months down the road who was right.

Ok, gotta give you +1 for persistence.

Question is "a few months down the road" will you be willing to admit it if you are wrong?

I don't expect perfection in this game, or any other. Sounds as if it will rock even with flaws.

If it has warts but I like the atmosphere, character animation, movement, progression and graphics et al. I'll probably have fun.

doorb7 · May 2012

people who point out negatives are always going to be called haters, and people who point out positives are fanboys, this is the way of the forum! But the fact is gw2 is in a better state right now than most other mmos and the beta event was hugeley successful and showed that the game is up to par and exceeds in many areas, especially for people who took the time to learn the mechanics and learn that combat is in no way spammy etc, well unless you want to lose lol. Problems exist that need fixing, mostly the fps and lag issues but im sure once it isnt cpu bound these will be less of an issue. Gw2 is not a wow killer but its certainly going to be an amazing game.

aesperus · May 2012

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by aesperus
I think that's really going to depend on the feedback they get from the next event. Some things they won't be able to change much about (personal story), but others they seem to be pretty concerned about making sure they are right before they push this game out.

True, and I am assuming that they patch in Asura and Sylvari to the next beta, if that wont happen it might take another month before we get our date.

If they have the Sylvari in, I'll be pleasantly surprised. We know that they have a version of the Asuran area, already, because it was in the latest build for the press beta. So, currently, I'd only expect to see that one represented.

BeansnBread · May 2012

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by aesperus
I think that's really going to depend on the feedback they get from the next event. Some things they won't be able to change much about (personal story), but others they seem to be pretty concerned about making sure they are right before they push this game out.

True, and I am assuming that they patch in Asura and Sylvari to the next beta, if that wont happen it might take another month before we get our date.

If they have the Sylvari in, I'll be pleasantly surprised. We know that they have a version of the Asuran area, already, because it was in the latest build for the press beta. So, currently, I'd only expect to see that one represented.

I think it would be kind of funny if they only brought out 1 race in the next BWE.

9 million of either Asura or Sylvari.

I guess that's why I expect them to reveal them both at the same time. If anything, they'll want to reduce the pressue on 1 single area.

Nataraya · May 2012

//hy on earth u guys think Anet its willing to show/spoil all races before launch?

My guess its that they have all those zones tested already and they dont plan to show them before game its live.

Im still very confident with a pre-August release, stress test being today and next CBW will throw some light in the subject.

Korgborg · May 2012

Originally posted by doorb7
people who point out negatives are always going to be called haters, and people who point out positives are fanboys, this is the way of the forum! But the fact is gw2 is in a better state right now than most other mmos and the beta event was hugeley successful and showed that the game is up to par and exceeds in many areas, especially for people who took the time to learn the mechanics and learn that combat is in no way spammy etc, well unless you want to lose lol. Problems exist that need fixing, mostly the fps and lag issues but im sure once it isnt cpu bound these will be less of an issue. Gw2 is not a wow killer but its certainly going to be an amazing game.

Yes ^^

kartana · May 2012

Oh gosh I hope this date is true. I just bought the game and IF I'm able to play the game today for the first time (fingers crossed I can log in), I expect to be blown away and ~1 month waiting time is OK I think...

Btw: I think GW2 will be the end ob subscription based MMOs. Who want's to pay a monthly fee after that?

Bushi13 · May 2012

Originally posted by kartana

Btw: I think GW2 will be the end ob subscription based MMOs. Who want's to pay a monthly fee after that?

Hoppefully it wil also let the gamer evolve away from the grind on gear.

Forget about gear, just gaming for the gameplay.

Make me think that diablo 3 will also be far less successfull than anticipated by blizzard once the grind on gear is out of the gameplay on some more game. It's just simple math but of course some no believer will claim whatever, but in 6 month or year, i'm pretty sure that diablo 3 will be regarded has to old fashion gameplay to really matter.

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