Originally posted by Banaghran Originally posted by baphameti didn't play open bnet or single player D2 because it was boring playing alone and all my friends were playing online on the servers, which made it pointless to play on open. D2 was very cookie cutter as well (compared to D3), so you really have no argument here and clearly no response to my argument either.saying online bnet didn't compare to single player and open bnet is pretty dumb considering how many more people played on bnet compared to the former.you may have liked it better but i think you are in the vast minority there.
I said approach, because rarely you would find, outside ladder and hardcore, someone actually concerned that he dies even on a 80+ with decent gear once in a time on that "annoying" fire enchanted as opposed to the speed he kills things ad/or how much he can spam the favorite spell, much less getting to and reading the cookie-cutter guides (many of which were advocating high dex for a shield on a sorc or nec as a alternative, btw).
D2 was cookie-cutter only inside that community you were in.
D3 is cookie-cutter regardless of how you play, due to the "difficulty" later on and the inabilty to focus on specific skills.
Flame on!
you are confusing, so you are saying you absolutely had to play a cookie cutter build if you played the game on the bnet servers?
that is complete BS lol
i would argue thta the fsct thta if you played on open bnet, you were forced to hack like everyone else unless you played stricky with your friends or by yourself.
even then, those things you could do on the "lsagger" as well. you didnt have to have a cookie cutter build, you could have just played the game by yourself or with your friends.
in fact, when i first started oplaying i did play mostlky by myself and was oblivius to "cookie cutter builds"
the glaring difference was while there were hacked items on closed bnet, it wasent anywhere near as bad as open or single player.
thats what i really hated about open and single player.
Just returned my game as I hate to support this constant dumbing down of games by any producer. It's hard to believe Blizzard has turned from being such an inovative company to this bean counter business model.
Just call up the support line and ask for a refund. They didn't even ask me why, just disabled my digital copy.
Originally posted by baphameti didn't play open bnet or single player D2 because it was boring playing alone and all my friends were playing online on the servers, which made it pointless to play on open. D2 was very cookie cutter as well (compared to D3), so you really have no argument here and clearly no response to my argument either.saying online bnet didn't compare to single player and open bnet is pretty dumb considering how many more people played on bnet compared to the former.you may have liked it better but i think you are in the vast minority there.
I said approach, because rarely you would find, outside ladder and hardcore, someone actually concerned that he dies even on a 80+ with decent gear once in a time on that "annoying" fire enchanted as opposed to the speed he kills things ad/or how much he can spam the favorite spell, much less getting to and reading the cookie-cutter guides (many of which were advocating high dex for a shield on a sorc or nec as a alternative, btw).
D2 was cookie-cutter only inside that community you were in.
D3 is cookie-cutter regardless of how you play, due to the "difficulty" later on and the inabilty to focus on specific skills.
Flame on!
you are confusing, so you are saying you absolutely had to play a cookie cutter build if you played the game on the bnet servers?
that is complete BS lol
i would argue thta the fsct thta if you played on open bnet, you were forced to hack like everyone else unless you played stricky with your friends or by yourself.
even then, those things you could do on the "lsagger" as well. you didnt have to have a cookie cutter build, you could have just played the game by yourself or with your friends.
in fact, when i first started oplaying i did play mostlky by myself and was oblivius to "cookie cutter builds"
the glaring difference was while there were hacked items on closed bnet, it wasent anywhere near as bad as open or single player.
thats what i really hated about open and single player.
A) we were talking about base stats, like str, vit...
you suggested that EVERYONE put "just enough" into some stats and everything else into vit ==> cookie-cutter, now you are arguing that not everyone played the same, dunno, dont argue both sides of the argument, it confuses people
C) You hated hacked items in other people's singleplayer games? Come again?
Originally posted by Banaghran Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by BanaghranOriginally posted by baphameti didn't play open bnet or single player D2 because it was boring playing alone and all my friends were playing online on the servers, which made it pointless to play on open. D2 was very cookie cutter as well (compared to D3), so you really have no argument here and clearly no response to my argument either.saying online bnet didn't compare to single player and open bnet is pretty dumb considering how many more people played on bnet compared to the former.you may have liked it better but i think you are in the vast minority there.
I said approach, because rarely you would find, outside ladder and hardcore, someone actually concerned that he dies even on a 80+ with decent gear once in a time on that "annoying" fire enchanted as opposed to the speed he kills things ad/or how much he can spam the favorite spell, much less getting to and reading the cookie-cutter guides (many of which were advocating high dex for a shield on a sorc or nec as a alternative, btw).D2 was cookie-cutter only inside that community you were in.D3 is cookie-cutter regardless of how you play, due to the "difficulty" later on and the inabilty to focus on specific skills.Flame on!you are confusing, so you are saying you absolutely had to play a cookie cutter build if you played the game on the bnet servers?that is complete BS loli would argue thta the fsct thta if you played on open bnet, you were forced to hack like everyone else unless you played stricky with your friends or by yourself.even then, those things you could do on the "lsagger" as well. you didnt have to have a cookie cutter build, you could have just played the game by yourself or with your friends.in fact, when i first started oplaying i did play mostlky by myself and was oblivius to "cookie cutter builds"the glaring difference was while there were hacked items on closed bnet, it wasent anywhere near as bad as open or single player.thats what i really hated about open and single player.A) we were talking about base stats, like str, vit...
you suggested that EVERYONE put "just enough" into some stats and everything else into vit ==> cookie-cutter, now you are arguing that not everyone played the same, dunno, dont argue both sides of the argument, it confuses people
C) You hated hacked items in other people's singleplayer games? Come again?
Flame on!
when comparing D2 to D3 the games are just as "cookie cutter" because of the reasons i already listed.
my point was you saying open bnet and single player was better than closed bnet because it is not "uber cookie cutter" and that is why i said you don't have to play any differently in closed bnet than you did in open bnet or single player.
i could do the same exact thing in D3, i could stack all the stats and get actual benefits from all of them, unlike D2
if you were to do that in D2 it would be a complete waste of stats but you could do it just as easily on closed bnet as you could in single player.....you could play on closed bnet by yourself as if it was single player....there was no difference.
your argument makes absolutely no sense at all. how was the game any different in open bnet and single player compared to closed bnet? i will tell you how, if you wanted to play with anyone else on open bnet you were forced to hack the game or you were so unbelievably gimped that you may as well just play by yourself.
in closed bnet those hacks were not allowed (even though there were still hacks, it was nowhere near as bad). single player was no different in any way than just playing by yourself on closed bnet, unless you wanted to hack.
what difference does it make if you have a cookie cutter build online or in single player off line? unless you want to pvp there is no reason you have to do it at all.
when comparing D2 to D3 the games are just as "cookie cutter" because of the reasons i already listed.
my point was you saying open bnet and single player was better than closed bnet because it is not "uber cookie cutter" and that is why i said you don't have to play any differently in closed bnet than you did in open bnet or single player.
i could do the same exact thing in D3, i could stack all the stats and get actual benefits from all of them, unlike D2
if you were to do that in D2 it would be a complete waste of stats but you could do it just as easily on closed bnet as you could in single player.....you could play on closed bnet by yourself as if it was single player....there was no difference.
your argument makes absolutely no sense at all. how was the game any different in open bnet and single player compared to closed bnet? i will tell you how, if you wanted to play with anyone else on open bnet you were forced to hack the game or you were so unbelievably gimped that you may as well just play by yourself.
in closed bnet those hacks were not allowed (even though there were still hacks, it was nowhere near as bad). single player was no different in any way than just playing by yourself on closed bnet, unless you wanted to hack.
what difference does it make if you have a cookie cutter build online or in single player off line? unless you want to pvp there is no reason you have to do it at all.
so i say again, that argument is pretty dumb.
The only stat which didnt have a actual benefit was str for spells, bows and xbows (outside armor/weapon cap).
I never claimed that any "mode" of playing d2 was better, i only claimed they were different, with different means and ends.
That you COULD play with a hardcore/ladder mindset in a singleplayer game does not mean you were required to, thus not everyone did stack vit, which is the opposite of what you have claimed, that everyone stacked vit, that the majority played on ladder, that anyone who didnt stack vit didnt know what he is doing, and so on.
The possibility itself does not make it so.
And that is really all there is to it, outside you constantly mentioning some singleplayer hacks (what is that anyways? a remote savegame editor?) and pondering game "modes".
Originally posted by Banaghran The only stat which didnt have a actual benefit was str for spells, bows and xbows (outside armor/weapon cap).
I never claimed that any "mode" of playing d2 was better, i only claimed they were different, with different means and ends.
that's the thing, they are not different in any way lol
the only thing different is when you played D2 on open bnet or single player off line mode you could hack the game to death.
please explain to me why only closed bnet was "uber cookie cutter" and open/single player was not? unless you wanted to pvp you could make your build any way you want, you could essentially play the game totally by yourself just like if it was single player.
That you COULD play with a hardcore/ladder mindset in a singleplayer game does not mean you were required to, thus not everyone did stack vit, which is the opposite of what you have claimed, that everyone stacked vit, that the majority played on ladder, that anyone who didnt stack vit didnt know what he is doing, and so on.
people stacked vit because it was by far the best way to survive in most cases but it was not a necessity if you didn't pvp.
if you did pvp like most people did, yes it was a necessity....yes the builds were cookie cutter then, just like most other pvp centric games.
unless you wanted to pvp closed bnet was no different than single player at all.
The possibility itself does not make it so.
And that is really all there is to it, outside you constantly mentioning some singleplayer hacks (what is that anyways? a remote savegame editor?) and pondering game "modes".
Flame on!
if you actually did ever play open bnet you would not be asking me that.
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and that is different from D2 how exactly? the content is every bit as linear as D2 was.
D2 was cookie-cutter only inside that community you were in.
D3 is cookie-cutter regardless of how you play, due to the "difficulty" later on and the inabilty to focus on specific skills.
Flame on!
you are confusing, so you are saying you absolutely had to play a cookie cutter build if you played the game on the bnet servers?
that is complete BS lol
i would argue thta the fsct thta if you played on open bnet, you were forced to hack like everyone else unless you played stricky with your friends or by yourself.
even then, those things you could do on the "lsagger" as well. you didnt have to have a cookie cutter build, you could have just played the game by yourself or with your friends.
in fact, when i first started oplaying i did play mostlky by myself and was oblivius to "cookie cutter builds"
the glaring difference was while there were hacked items on closed bnet, it wasent anywhere near as bad as open or single player.
thats what i really hated about open and single player.
Remember, you can return it for a full refund.
Just returned my game as I hate to support this constant dumbing down of games by any producer. It's hard to believe Blizzard has turned from being such an inovative company to this bean counter business model.
Just call up the support line and ask for a refund. They didn't even ask me why, just disabled my digital copy.
A) we were talking about base stats, like str, vit...
C) You hated hacked items in other people's singleplayer games? Come again?
Flame on!
you are confusing, so you are saying you absolutely had to play a cookie cutter build if you played the game on the bnet servers? that is complete BS lol i would argue thta the fsct thta if you played on open bnet, you were forced to hack like everyone else unless you played stricky with your friends or by yourself. even then, those things you could do on the "lsagger" as well. you didnt have to have a cookie cutter build, you could have just played the game by yourself or with your friends. in fact, when i first started oplaying i did play mostlky by myself and was oblivius to "cookie cutter builds" the glaring difference was while there were hacked items on closed bnet, it wasent anywhere near as bad as open or single player. thats what i really hated about open and single player.
A) we were talking about base stats, like str, vit...
C) You hated hacked items in other people's singleplayer games? Come again?
Flame on!
when comparing D2 to D3 the games are just as "cookie cutter" because of the reasons i already listed.
my point was you saying open bnet and single player was better than closed bnet because it is not "uber cookie cutter" and that is why i said you don't have to play any differently in closed bnet than you did in open bnet or single player.
i could do the same exact thing in D3, i could stack all the stats and get actual benefits from all of them, unlike D2
if you were to do that in D2 it would be a complete waste of stats but you could do it just as easily on closed bnet as you could in single player.....you could play on closed bnet by yourself as if it was single player....there was no difference.
your argument makes absolutely no sense at all. how was the game any different in open bnet and single player compared to closed bnet? i will tell you how, if you wanted to play with anyone else on open bnet you were forced to hack the game or you were so unbelievably gimped that you may as well just play by yourself.
in closed bnet those hacks were not allowed (even though there were still hacks, it was nowhere near as bad). single player was no different in any way than just playing by yourself on closed bnet, unless you wanted to hack.
what difference does it make if you have a cookie cutter build online or in single player off line? unless you want to pvp there is no reason you have to do it at all.
so i say again, that argument is pretty dumb.
The only stat which didnt have a actual benefit was str for spells, bows and xbows (outside armor/weapon cap).
I never claimed that any "mode" of playing d2 was better, i only claimed they were different, with different means and ends.
That you COULD play with a hardcore/ladder mindset in a singleplayer game does not mean you were required to, thus not everyone did stack vit, which is the opposite of what you have claimed, that everyone stacked vit, that the majority played on ladder, that anyone who didnt stack vit didnt know what he is doing, and so on.
The possibility itself does not make it so.
And that is really all there is to it, outside you constantly mentioning some singleplayer hacks (what is that anyways? a remote savegame editor?) and pondering game "modes".
Flame on!
that's the thing, they are not different in any way lol
the only thing different is when you played D2 on open bnet or single player off line mode you could hack the game to death.
please explain to me why only closed bnet was "uber cookie cutter" and open/single player was not? unless you wanted to pvp you could make your build any way you want, you could essentially play the game totally by yourself just like if it was single player.
people stacked vit because it was by far the best way to survive in most cases but it was not a necessity if you didn't pvp.
if you did pvp like most people did, yes it was a necessity....yes the builds were cookie cutter then, just like most other pvp centric games.
unless you wanted to pvp closed bnet was no different than single player at all.
if you actually did ever play open bnet you would not be asking me that.