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Short and to the point: The pvp system in this game is pointless. Unfortunately there is no pvp until you hit around level 30 and start getting a little farther out, which is unfortunate because most people I asked said if they knew what a waste of time it was would have played on a blue. By the time you are high enough level to try pvp, if you discover you don't enjoy it, you are starting over on a new server and have to go through all those levels again (there are no transfers). So unless you are perfectly clear or have already tried a friends account, be forewarned.
Here is a breakdown of a normal pvp fight.
You are levelling.
Rogue kills you in 2 shots.
Walk back for corpse.
Find rogue.
Get lucky kill rogue.
You are levelling.
Rogue kills you in 2 shots.
Repeat ad nauseum. Feel free to insert whatever class makes you happy, the only thing that will change is the shots per kill. Or theres always the
Hey look a troll on a mount. Level ?? (alot higher than you)
Well he'll probably leave my level 8 mage alone as the dishonourable kill thing is meant for this right?
You Die.
Bitch if you want, but it would have made my life alot easier if I had known this prior to hitting level 35.
And before you flame, I was on Rallos Z for 2 years on EQ, so im not new to pvp, at least on rallos you got paid for it.
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Yeah i can see were you'd say that i was on rellos in eq as well so i understood how pvp worked the only flaw that i can see in your posts is that thats on a pvp server and the biggest problem on those is bored lvl 60's. I play on a normal server and i turn my pvp tag on when i want that to me helps with the ganking 60's.Ive had waay worse happen to me in eq then just some rouge ganking me. if you dont like the pvp go ahead and try a normal server till you know more about the game then go back it isnt like pvp is non existant on the normal servers it still happens and with BG it happens everywere. I personally like the pvp system cause later you get items = to your rank. I like that idea its not like eq in pvp wise ive seen one guy kill a couple ppl, on the other hand wow is like this in a way i just like the idea that im not sitting in PoK for hours looking for a group to go adventure with me.
Demoku: Anarchy Online (Rimor)
To add to the topic about PVP being pointless I will tell you that there is no controlling of land, areas, towers, bases, Castles, areas, nothing.... YOu cannot effect the game world like you can in almost ever other PVP MMORPG like SB, AO, EVE, DAOC, ect...
Also the original poster is right about the gank facter.. Lvl 60's that did not grow up so to speak in the current "Honor System" (since it was not out back then) will be ganking you from the moment you step foot into your first contested zone... The funny thing about the "HOnor System" is that there is no Dishonor to it, oh wait there is if your a NPC.... Meaning that a person 40 lvls above you will be able to gank you nonstop without getting any Dishonor for it.. But if that same person ganks a Civilian NPC that is 40 lvls below him they will get Dishonor for it.. LMFAO
As I have said in many post about this game, if your ever played Diablo 2 and went online to BNET most of them have migrated over to WOW.. You know how chidlish and immature that community was, so try to imagine how many of them are 60 lvl rogues (or insert class here) ready to gank you as you try to quest and level up...Get in a guild if you want to but I know for sure that your not going to find one that is willing to baby sit you hours on end while you try to quest.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I was on Azgalor, and I have to say that as far as community went I found it to be pretty mature. In fact, I'd have to say that the community is more mature than EQ players were at the same time (WoW has been out like 1 year and the players are more mature than the EQ players that played when EQ was out 1 year.) When EQ was out for 1 year there were constant fights over camps and drops in almost every group including blacklisting from guilds if you did anything that made them mad, in fact it was the motivating factor to switch to RZ in the first place. My only problem with this game is that since you don't experience any pvp till the high 20's low 30's is that there should be a way to transfer off the servers if you find you don't like it. As I explained to someone that didn't want me to leave, why miss out on half the game (Instances on the other continent that are your level) and constant fighting when there is no reward. You would be better off on a blue server and go to the battlegrounds if you want to fight.
Also, for those that think playing on the PvP servers makes you a better pk'er. I believe if you look at the "Best of the Best" results for everquest PvP server players rarely won. (Given the fact EQ was more gear based)
WoW is mindless fun, so take it for what's its worth and enjoy it. Alot of people like a console-style game where they can log on for a little bit of time and seem like they are advancing. So they are willing to pay 15 bucks a month for WoW.
It's not for all but ALOT of people do like it.
1) WoW pwns.
2) If you are bitter, you have only yourself and too much free time to blame.
3) The only problem with the game is the millions of little kids in it, of which the OP is one.
Have a nice day.
If you dont like getting killed repeatedly while you're levelling why did you pick a PVP server? Most of the honor you get is from BG anyway.
Why is your lvl 8 mage in a PvP zone?
What guild were you in? Agreed, the community on Az isn't so bad.
I've played on PvP server since launch, and while the ganking can be bad it's not to the extent as some have described above. Until you're 60, you shouldn't be traveling on the main roads in contested zones. Have some fun lurking and hiding, imo that's what going through those areas are for.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Is there any point to any PVP game?
I mean it's just a game :S Not going to get you anywhere in life!
I personally find it fun and as you PVP you gain honor, only problem is after the patch you have to constantly PVP to keep the honor!
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Well I suppose the amount of ganking could depend on server. ON my old server this was not a problem for me. Not at the level you say it is. Level 60's were not constantly harassing me while questing.
Also the games we came from are the deciding factors on our opinions of the system. I come from 2 games where you could be ganked at any time almost anywhere. It didnt matter if you were level 1 or level 60. So coming here and having starting zones where you could not be attacked was satisfactory for me.
But like I said since I have not played on your server, I really cant comment one way or the other.
Well I suppose the amount of ganking could depend on server. ON my old server this was not a problem for me. Not at the level you say it is. Level 60's were not constantly harassing me while questing.
Also the games we came from are the deciding factors on our opinions of the system. I come from 2 games where you could be ganked at any time almost anywhere. It didnt matter if you were level 1 or level 60. So coming here and having starting zones where you could not be attacked was satisfactory for me.
But like I said since I have not played on your server, I really cant comment one way or the other.
Well I can understand if you came from some games with unlimited ganking..I just think having a system were people who are trying to quest in peace to level up are allowed to do that is a better option...Am I saying I dont want pvp.. Hell no I think a MMORPG is boring as hell with out it.. But at the same time MMORPG devs need to realize that full fledge PVP opens the door for griefers (people that just like to cause anguish and grief) Many of them just spend there whole time online doing just that.. I should know I used to be one.. Untill the shoe was on the other foot like it was when I was rolled some alts, and I see how fustrating it can be when you have people with godly levels running around making your leveling experience hell...I learned my lesson and made sure that when I felt in the mood to gank people I would gank people around my own level.
I just wish WOW would bring in Dishonor for kiling people a X amount of levels below you.. If the low level attacks first then there would be no dishonor for the kill.. I also wish they would bring some type of RVR into the mix or anything that would actually make pvp something more other then a Scoreboard...Hell its sad that a Carebear game like COH will soon have more meaning full PVP then a game like WOW..
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
The O.P. is correct except not for the reasons explained. Sure rogues are tough, but my warrior pwned them in a fair fight i.e. not getting ganked while I was half dead froma mob.
The reason the PvP is pointless is you can work for a month killing whether in battlegrounds or not and attain a nice title like Sargeant Major or up, but if you don't play for a week they take it away from you! This has upset a lot of people and some entire guilds have quit the game and gone back to DAoC in frustration.
If they would just make it so your title and all the things that go with it didn't decay so dang fast it would be a huge improvement.
Well I suppose the amount of ganking could depend on server. ON my old server this was not a problem for me. Not at the level you say it is. Level 60's were not constantly harassing me while questing.
Also the games we came from are the deciding factors on our opinions of the system. I come from 2 games where you could be ganked at any time almost anywhere. It didnt matter if you were level 1 or level 60. So coming here and having starting zones where you could not be attacked was satisfactory for me.
But like I said since I have not played on your server, I really cant comment one way or the other.
Well I can understand if you came from some games with unlimited ganking..I just think having a system were people who are trying to quest in peace to level up are allowed to do that is a better option...Am I saying I dont want pvp.. Hell no I think a MMORPG is boring as hell with out it.. But at the same time MMORPG devs need to realize that full fledge PVP opens the door for griefers (people that just like to cause anguish and grief) Many of them just spend there whole time online doing just that.. I should know I used to be one.. Untill the shoe was on the other foot like it was when I was rolled some alts, and I see how fustrating it can be when you have people with godly levels running around making your leveling experience hell...I learned my lesson and made sure that when I felt in the mood to gank people I would gank people around my own level.
I just wish WOW would bring in Dishonor for kiling people a X amount of levels below you.. If the low level attacks first then there would be no dishonor for the kill.. I also wish they would bring some type of RVR into the mix or anything that would actually make pvp something more other then a Scoreboard...Hell its sad that a Carebear game like COH will soon have more meaning full PVP then a game like WOW..
They need to do something wiht dishonor but how to do it remain unseen. The above I had thought about too but then lowbies would join raids and get in the middle ...get aoe'd and die.
Kind of reverse griefing.
They need to do something wiht dishonor but how to do it remain unseen. The above I had thought about too but then lowbies would join raids and get in the middle ...get aoe'd and die.
Kind of reverse griefing.
This cant happen and here is why... Ever make a mage and have a high lvl person run up on you from the opposite faction while you were aoeing? They didnt attack you just watched you is what I mean.. When this happens none of your attacks will land on them unless you target them directly... Try it some time and see what I mean. This goes for most if not all AOE im sure, and if it doesnt then blizzard could just make it so. There are ways blizzard could stop griefing by low lvl people if they would allow Player Dishonor many ways, but im not sure they even want too.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
Items go by your highest life time rank not your current rank. My rogue got up to legionnare then i stopped playing him and started my priest on a new server, so now my rogues just a scout but i still have the items that i earned by getting up to the legionnare rank. Imo it would be lame if your rank didnt decay, high warlord or grandmarshal should be somthing very very few people should have.
It was said before but Ill say it again, why would your lvl 8 mage be in a place where he could get ganked? Even on a pvp server someone from the opposite faction cant just run in and gank lvl 8's?
Often, whiners will exadurate to make their point. Exaduration does nothing but point out that the poster is whining and not presenting a valid arguement.
Seriously, you can't run across a zone without getting agro? I hope I never group with you, being able to do something as simple as avoiding unnecessary agro is essential in this game. If you can't even run across a zone without getting agro I certainly wouldn't want you in an instance with me. Don't run from point A to point B, look where the mobs are and run around them. Be careful, you know you are gimped if you have res effects, its not that difficult, hundreds of thousands of people do it every day.
If running across a zone without getting agro is too big of a challenge for you then just use your hearthstone to go to town and wait out the res sickness.
Why especially on your server? Again, exadurating your point only makes you sound like a whiner.
Grouping doesn't really help at lower levels, but as you get into your 40s and 50s a group can defeat the lone rogue ganker. People realize this and you'll find it a little easier to find a questing group/partner once you get a little higher level.
Simple. If the 60 mage on his epic mount doesn't see you then he doesn't know you are there. If he doesn't know you are there then he can't gank you. Fight out of view when possible, ie next to a house, in a valley, behind a hill, behind a big tree, etc. You will avoid some, not all, gankers by doing this, its good advice.
You can't avoid stealthed rogues, but you can avoid some gankings. If you see an enemy before he sees you then you have time to run, hide, hearth, log out, whatever. If you see a bunch of dead bodies you know someone is in the area, don't fight, look around, see if its friendly or enemy thats been doing the killing. If you see a bunch of skeletons scattered about then you know that a lot of people have died there recently, that being the case you're probably better off finding a less popular spot. If you stay alert and pay attention you will avoid some gankings.
Then don't play WoW. Play some other PvP game with in-game mechanics designed to hinder ganking. WoW is 4mil subscribers strong, I doubt they'll do anything about it while they are doing so well.
Another exaduration, how the hell do you know what bliz does and doesn't listen to? Besides, the Developers are blizzard, you make no sense. You really do sound like a whiner.
Then play AO, don't expect any game company to cater to your own personal thoughts about how things should work. Find a game that you like as-is, and play that game. The world doesn't revolve around you, neither does blizzards world.
Again, exadurating to make your point makes you sound like a whiner (more so than the overall theme of your post).
I'm 60, I'll gank anybody I run across because I know they'd do the same to me given the chance. I know a lot of people who do the same thing, but I don't know of a single person who runs around ganking lowbies all day every day.
WoW does cater to kids and those with no MMORPG expereince but I fail to make a connection between random lowbie ganking and blizzards marketing strategy?
Ganking has always been part of the game, I doubt that'll ever change. WARcraft is about WAR. In war if you have an advantage you exploit it, ie being higher level than your opponent.
Do you even know the reason they implemented DHK for NPC civilians? Its because pre-BG about the only organized PvP was raiding towns. 60's would raid lowbie/mid-level towns, killing everything in site. Towns should be at least somewhat safe, so to fix this they implemented DHK to keep 60s from taking over towns, or at least penalize them for it.
If thats how you want to PvP then play on a non-PvP server. If you see someone around your level and you want to PvP then you can turn on your PvP flag and see if they'll consent to a fight. And on non-PvP servers you can also do the BGs which are restricted by level.
In short, if you don't like being ganked then don't play on a PvP server.
lol thats all I got to say about that last post...
People its like this, If you dont have WOW go out and get it and give it a twirl. I often say the best way to kill a game is to make everyone possible try it and see how lacking it is and spread the word...
Is it fun and exciting at first? Your damn straight it is what big name MMORPG wasnt? besides maybe Horizons....
But if you have any expierence in MMORPG's you soon will become complacent and bored and quickly... I do not "exagurate" in what I post I go by what I have run into and see..
If the person above me thinks he can "Avoid a gank" by a high lvl who are almost all running around with epic mounts then so be it... But please dont be to foolish to believe that, I know when I had my 60 shaman and 56 Hunter mains no lowbie ever escaped me and thats a fact no matter how hard they tried...Also anyone that has EVER played WOW will know that when your trying to flee from a gank your GOING to probably get some aggro expeically if your questing in that zone and the mobs are around your Level.. There is no way around that they will aggro you and leave the person ganking you who is probably 20 levels higher then you alone...Use the paths in the middle of the zone if you want too, have fun running back to your body too..
Like I said before im a avid PVPER from AO, WOW, PS, and other games.. But I perfer a challange in my PVP not GankVP.. The only time I ganked in WOW was in the begging like I said before when I didnt realize the grief I was causing and when I wanted to get some payback for my alts getting ganked (hey im human *shrug*)...I also perfer some goals behind PVP other then a scoreboard and some decent gear.. I like to actually fight for something that will affect the game world ala DOAC, SB, AO, EVE, ect...If you ask me PVP needs some rules behind it.. Nothing to strengent but something to deter the High Level gankers a bit, im not talking about same lvl gankers cause you can fight back and possible win agianst those.. Im talking about the people 30 to 40 levels higher then you ganking you and others just cause they can. I dont see why thats such a problem, probably becuase people today just like to cause pain/misery/and grief to others.. And talking about taking that away pisses them off.
Bottom line is that im stating my opinion as are the others.. The choice is up to you on who you want to believe.. Just be ready to enter into the most horrible MMORPG community ever, and a game that has some of the most unskilled and childish acting people you will ever meet....And if you dont believe me go look at the WOW boards, because THOSE are the people with active subscribtions and they will be the people grouping with you....
P.S for all those that may say im a Carebear, Come over To Planetside right now on Emerald Server I can hook you up with a Free trial if you want.. My toon is SikVvViDiT Ill be glad to so you how Carebear I am.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
so let me get this right, if i want to pvp ive got to go to a pvp server and start from lvl 1 again
Doesnt seem right
Also wen i first start out in a pve server will i get loads of lvl60 just killing me???
Well I suppose the amount of ganking could depend on server. ON my old server this was not a problem for me. Not at the level you say it is. Level 60's were not constantly harassing me while questing.
Also the games we came from are the deciding factors on our opinions of the system. I come from 2 games where you could be ganked at any time almost anywhere. It didnt matter if you were level 1 or level 60. So coming here and having starting zones where you could not be attacked was satisfactory for me.
But like I said since I have not played on your server, I really cant comment one way or the other.
Well I can understand if you came from some games with unlimited ganking..I just think having a system were people who are trying to quest in peace to level up are allowed to do that is a better option...Am I saying I dont want pvp.. Hell no I think a MMORPG is boring as hell with out it.. But at the same time MMORPG devs need to realize that full fledge PVP opens the door for griefers (people that just like to cause anguish and grief) Many of them just spend there whole time online doing just that.. I should know I used to be one.. Untill the shoe was on the other foot like it was when I was rolled some alts, and I see how fustrating it can be when you have people with godly levels running around making your leveling experience hell...I learned my lesson and made sure that when I felt in the mood to gank people I would gank people around my own level.
I just wish WOW would bring in Dishonor for kiling people a X amount of levels below you.. If the low level attacks first then there would be no dishonor for the kill.. I also wish they would bring some type of RVR into the mix or anything that would actually make pvp something more other then a Scoreboard...Hell its sad that a Carebear game like COH will soon have more meaning full PVP then a game like WOW..
If you want to have the option to quest in peace then play on a Regular or RP server.... If you truly can't stand being ganked or being killed at a disadvantage then chances are your not very into PvP... thus selecting "PvP Server" would probably not be the wise choice when choosing a server. You can't have a PvP game that does not have ganking. Ganking is a part of PvP, and if you make it so players can choose when they want and don't want to participate in PvP combat then it's not truly a PvP game (and thats exactly what the Regular WoW servers are like). Regular WoW servers are perfect if you wan't to have the option to fight but only want to participate in combat when you feel like it.
Agreed, also at 60 pvp doesnt get any better.