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Why did x fail?
bumuscheekus
Member Posts: 214
It failed for the same reason 99% of anything ultimately ends up subpar these days whether it be games (TOR), movies (Prometheus, Avatar), series (Battlestar Galactica, Lost): they start out with the bare bones of a nice idea then completely lose track of what they set out to do when a large budget, dominant parent companies, lawyers, advertisers, mechandisers etc. get involved and it ends up as generic, mass appeal, watery slop devoid of any kind of originality or innovation. The only way a good idea can pass through the big budget production grinder and end up worth a toss is if you have tenacious individuals with a clear vision who fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. To paraphrase the late writer Charles Beaumont: creating anything good with big budget interests
"is like climbing a gigantic mountain of cow crap in order to pluck one perfect rose from the summit. And you find after you've made that hideous ascent—you've lost your sense of smell"
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Wait, you are arguing that Avatar failed? The highest grossing movie ever ....is a failure?
This topic is a failure.
Ah right so the amount of money a movie makes it a good film?
This comment is a failure.
I'm pretty sure James Cameron would laugh at you if you told him Avatar was a failure. Your personal opinion of the movie is irrelevant.
Who are you writing to?
The person above who said my opinion of the movie was irrelevant when discussing what I view to be a failure in the terms I mentioned in this post. I'm not argueing about financial success, thought that was obvious but apprently money is the only consideration here.
The reason this thread failed, like 99% of all other failed threads:
Polarised simplifications, generalisations and logical fallacies plopped out as an affirmation of expertise for the sole purpose of self aggrandisement.
Why did x fail?
So you are arguing from your own personal perspective that says...
BSG was a failure.
Avatar was a failure.
Lost was a failure.
Promethius is about to be a failure.
And TOR is similar to those movies/shows because it is becoming a failure.
I think I don't give a shit about your opinion about anything to be honest.
Speaking of self aggrandisement Professor Goebbels I had no idea that opinions were forbidden from being voiced and discussed but I yield to your superior wisdom
No, it's if a movie or whatever meets it's own aims and goals and achieves what it wants to acheve that makes it a success or a fail.
I think it is safe to say Avatar does all of that.
Your personal taste aside, there are a few examples on that list that didn't 'fail'.
Ah a polite AND intelligent answer, nice to see you can still get that on this site occasionally.
You can voice your opinion all you want just dont state your opinion as fact or use it as a quantifiable metric.
Thanks! Took a while but we got there in the end.
You do understand your position is highly subjective... right? You do understand that correct?
Did Jesike blow up the forums?
lol seemed y
How can you fail in doing something you never attempted to do? Are you sure Cameron tried to make Avatar a good movie?
And the circle is complete.
Since when are subjective opinions a bad thing? Who's 100% objective about anything? Do I say anywhere in my post people were not allowed to disagree and discuss the realitive value of the items I discussed as opposed to blanket flaming and telling someone they can't express their opinion?
Uh... since the beginning of time?
Nobody said you "can't express" your opinion... go ahead, all day long.
But just because you can say anything doesn't mean its worth anything... you get it?
The red herring you offered about "who is objective 100% of the time" is just that, a distraction from the real point.
If you want anyone worth their salt to take you seriously you have to be objective or nothing at all.
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Word up.
The reason why many people use revenue as a scale, is because it's one of the things which are the most objective in such context. The Revenue is a fact (at least with public corporations).
Some people think the story of Avatar is bad, shallow or whatever, but that's just an opinion.
When is a story not shallow? When is a story intriguing? The Answers can only be opinions because there is no scientific bechnmark of how shallow or not a story may be.
Even the word shallow can't be defiened objectively (regarding a story)
or
What is good quality in food? Is it the cooking time? Is it the ingridients? How complicated it is to cook?
But I think we all agree what a $ is. And we all agree that 100$ is more than 10$
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Evil UO has doomed my poor soul and now I'm wandering restlessly through all MMORPG's, desperately searching for a place to rest in peace.....
While I dislike Avatar (John Carter was a far better movie), fail is not a term I would use, because Avatar accomplished what it was expected to accomplish, nothing more, nothing less.
SW:TOR, on the other hand, was expected to become a giant with a lot of subs and hold those subs for years to come. It did not succeed in that, so I would call it a failure.
SW:TOR failed because it was a bad game. There's no area where it was not, really. It was just not well done, and contrary to popular belief, many people will refuse to eat that up.
I am not sure why WAR failed, because I didn't follow its development very well and liked a lot of the things they did. I could guess some PvP side implementations got screwed up, and I heard it had a buggy launch.
It's an MMO forum, let's stick to MMO's.