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PvP Based MMORPG's Comparison
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Hey,
Now I was hesitant to make this topic at first cause I figured the other ones would have the comparisons I needed, but they didn't. I scrolled back already can't find a specific answer so yeah. This isn't a "Runescape vs Guild Wars" I'm interested in PvP based games with good content. Now after researching around DAOC & EVE Online have caught me eye. EVE boasts looting and from what I've heard, great PvP that requires skill and strategy. DAOC, I've heard has awesome RvR and the such. Now those are the only two that I really have looked into. I'm a semi-hardcore player. I've done the EVE trial and I can feel that it is rewarding after a month or two, but I don't want to just sit around and have to wait for my skills to train both offline and online for 2 months until I can actually do something. DAOC, also seems to have a boring beginning but its only as slow as you make it. Now besides that, I want to know about DAOC's looting system. Can you loot your enemies? What are the rewards of PvP? And how well has player housing been incorporated in it. I'm leaning towards DAOC cause I know I will be able to jump in and get to where I want as fast as I want. But then, I think about EVE, and I imagine myself 3 months later having a blast in space with a solid feel and completely enjoying the skill and strategy in it. So yeah I'm really torn between these two MMORPG's. If anyone knows of any others that are worthy, please tell me.
Thanks for your time 
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I honestly liked pvp in wow, I enjoyed battlegrounds as well and there is a new one coming out.
Pvp gets you ranks and items, and such, you can go read about it on there sight if you want more :b.
/waits for flames, I got a feeling there gonna come
But nevertheless I stilled enjoyed it :b, plus open world pvp was enjoyable too, but BG killed that, maybe town raids will come back if they get rid of dishonor kills ><, and "I" enjoyed the content in wow as well, I found plenty of fluff to keep me entertained while not pvping :b
wait until CoH meets CoV heh
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Yes. I will go back to CoH when CoV is released (at least to check it out). Once this happens the game will actually be "finished" in my eyes. Hell, only took them a year and a half. Actually now that I think about it, it takes most MMOs about a year to hit their stride anyways.
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Umm.. DAoC.. WoW.. none of thoes games are true pvp.. they are RvR games. In fact, Mythic SAYS that they are RvR, NOT pvp.
If you want a true PvP game, where YOU run a realm instead of "mythic" creating one for you(or want to be a factor, a friend, of a nation), then play Shadowbane. Open combat, player politics, player run world. No other game has the PvP depth of Shadowbane. Also, dont judge SB based on newbie island hell, because that island IS restricted, to keep level 75's from pking level 1 charactors. Level, grow, join a nation, and bane/kill the noob gankers that gank you.
Can you openly attack anyone in SWG? Can you build an empire and crush your enemy, by taking his mines, his citys, and his honor? SWG is just another watered down RvR game, with a few extra perks here and there.
I can actually do something. DAOC, also seems to have a boring beginning but its only as slow as you make it. Now besides that, I want to know about DAOC's looting system. Can you loot your enemies? What are the rewards of PvP? And how well has player housing been incorporated in it. I'm leaning towards DAOC cause I know I will be able to jump in and get to where I want as fast as I want.
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If you plan on buying catacombs expension, the leveling is pretty easy with task dungeon now.As for armor you can farm in your own private instance solo or with a group. In rvr, you cant loot your enemies but you get realm points for the kills that are use to get new spells, styles etc. There is also battleground for every level, ex: 1-5, 6-9 and so on.
As for housing, there is a zone near the capital city of your realm and thats where all the houses are, IMO its the best housing ive seen. There's merchant near the entrance so you can browse and buy for 20% more of the item cost, you dont have to go to the house to buy the items.
You also have a lot of choices when it come to server, you have co-op (all realm aid each other and can group) normal , rp , PVP and classic. Classic is no TOA and buffs have range, so you see less bot in rvr or bg.
Ok people he asked about DAoc and EVE. DAoC's RvR has alot of content and stuff to do, destroy and take keeps and claim them for your guild, lvl specific RvR (i.e a bg for 4-9,10-14 etc.) so everyone can get into the action without being owned by some 12 year old fanboi. You cant loot enemy players, and quite frankly, i can see where they're coming from on that one (money is a BITCH to get). EVE can be very boring the first couple of months, but after thats its complete fun. Death penalties are extremely harsh, and can set you back for months, but somehow, you like it when you die, its just the rush. If your into instant gratification, go DAoC. If you want to wait for a couple of months THEN get to the action, go EvE. As a side note, don't go to SB or WoW. WoW's PvP is horrible and a joke. You have to wait in a line to get into the bg (which can take up to 3 hours). SB's PvP is amazingly fun, but theres a severe lack of players. Sure taking everything from your enemies is fun, but its no fun if there ARE no enemies.
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Firstly, thanks for all the replies. I have in fact played WoW and got bored before my free month was over. The PvP was alright but it had its limits and you could only do so much both class wise & in general. Secondly, thanks to whoever mentioned Shadowbane as I checked out the site and am definetely going to loko further into it. At first, I was ignoring SB cause a year or two ago I saw it and it was 2-Dish like Ultima Online. Now I don't want to come off as an eye-candy player but graphics (3-D ones) help enhanced the game for me. So yeah, definetely going to see how SB is. On City of Villians, I tried the CoH trial and it had a horrible reptitive grind that is the reason I've been looking for a new MMORPG. I come from MxO and the grind is mind-numbing. CoH reminded me a lot of that so its a turn off. If I'm missing something or if its changed do tell
. I'm probably going to cancel EVE out of the equation as I'm looking for a game me and my friends can play and I know that most of them won't have the mental capacity to take the learning curve of EVE. Although, I'll still remember it as a solid investment should I ever need a long-term MMORPG 
. So its betweem DAOC and SB now. I'll post later when I pick up some more info on SB.
Thanks again for posting.
Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates (puzzlepirates.com)
It has a fair amount of pvp activities, but there isn't so much killing as stealing or wagering. It isn't a normal experience=skill rpg but rather a collection of puzzle games where the better you are at them the more you help the ship you are on (or the harder you make it for your opponent to survive). The advantage to that system is that there isn't a slow start if you really want to excel.
learning the puzzles is pretty fun and once you've done that you can pretty easily get into playing against other people.
edit: graphics might not be right for you if you like eyecandy :P
Yeah heh uh while "Puzzle Pirates" sounds awfully inviting I think I'll pass
. And I don't think the graphics are that bad at all. Pretty vibrant and colorful. Just not a fan of top-down. On a sidenote, I learned that SB has looting of corpses? Is it full looting or how does that work?
Edit: Learned it was inventory only. Its sounding pretty good.
EDit #2: While SB was looking great it seems that the population is insanely low. Almost 1000 players on peak times and only 400 normally? Doesn't sound too massive but from what I'm hearing new people are coming for a new expansion or something called Lore.
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
the fun of pvp is having people to kill.
but in these "hardcore pvp games" you cant attract enough people for it to be any fun
Shadowbane proved that there wasnt a large enough audience to create a sucessful "hardcore pvp game"
In my mind, the perfect PvP would have to strike a balance, between being fun for everyone, and letting the PvP jnkies get their fill.
I loved RvR and in my mind that is the future of PvP. Again we have shown that sandbox style open PvP is great on paper, but as humans we have a nack for finding somthing and exploiting it to the disappointment of others.
Structured large scale battles and such are really where I think PvP is headed. WoW's Battlegrounds are a good example. They give you structured areas, with direction and objectives. Were not trying to make our own fun, or our own rules, you goto the one thats right for you and play it.
RvR had its issues, but they were minor, I think if they really work to tweak the whole idea it could really fly into the mainstream. The main problem with PvP right now is that there is so much downtime finding people. Take Planetside. There was just SO MUCH EMPTY SPACE.
There lies another problem, we are playing a mmorpg, we want to see people, and if you a PvP nut you want lotsa people to kill.
I think the industry is still as a whole searching for that magic balance, between freedom and structure in a PvP system. I think games like DAoC and WoW are taking great leaps in the right direction where as games like shadowbane have shown us what doest work. I truly belive the whole "sandbox" idea will start do die out as people realize that on paper its great but giving players so much power just leads to so much trouble.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Honesty i don't see why everyone hyped DAOC's PVP :S
I mean i didn't get to level 50 and everyone says thats when it starts, but don't want to have to level grind to level 50 b4 i can pvp with everyone else :S
WOW's PVP was fast fun and the ebst in a fantasy game i played!
Many people knock wow's pvp but theres no fantasy game out there that beats it! Open end pvp without zoning is also a blast
EVE's PVP has the ebst the best i've ever play in a game
The freedom of what you can do as a good guy or a pirate is amazing!
See in the game it turns scaming into a form of PVP and you wouldn't see that in anyother game
Plus the combat takes skill and makes ur heart pump, knowing if you lose you cud lose alot!
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Well....you could always raid an enemy town or capital :b
Players decided to live in BG when the came out, but some still did town raids.
I love wow cuz there is always pvp somewhere :b
You quit before most ppl even knew how to play there class :b, should have tired it a bit longer
, when the game first came out and what it is now is two totally different games ^^
1. Shadowbane
2. Ultima Online
3. AC
4. EVE
These are the best imo for pvp. There concepts were great now all they need to do is remake them...lol
BTW WoW = teh suckage (played since beta - there pvp just blows)
Blah blah blah......
EVE has the best PvP out ther IMO. It can be rewarding and it can be extremely dangerous. That makes it very exiting. You could gain millions or lose millions of money in every battle so it really gets your heart pumping.
Anyway, everyone seems to have a different oppinion and ppl will always say that the game they are currently playing is the best on all levels it appears
so I'd just like to correct one misunderstanding. You do not have to wait a few weeks/months to start PvPing in EVE. It used to be that way back in the old days but right now you can start PvPing after a week or so. I got a trial account to play with a few weeks back and before the 2 weeks were up my new character had killed multiple guys some of which were over a year old flying ships 10 times bigger and more expensive then mine. All solo. A cheap frigate with cheap equipment flown by a new character but a skilled user can be extremely deadly.
That's the best thing about the EVE PvP. Your big shot character flying his expensive ship using the most 1337 modules means nothing at all when fighting someone who knows what they are doing.
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The only true pvp games on the market right now are Shadowbane and if you play on the Darktide server of Asheron's Call. If you want REAL skill based pvp you should have been playing asherons from day 1. It's too bad its pretty much impossible to compete now and has been for a a year or two since they gimped chains and such, but the game truely is 100% open pvp with no gay penalties for killing people and is largely skill based (though templates at extreme enough levels can compensate for little to no skill).
With a good corp and the right skills trained, you can be involved in PvP within 2 weeks in Eve. Your role will be limited to electronic warfare but it is a strategically important part of the game. Out of the current options available, this is the MMORPG I would recommend trying. It's not for everyone due to the complexities, non-linearity, and the sometimes repetitive means of earning money. But it is a game that you will love if it happens to be "your type".