Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing. Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.
Just so you know alot of us people who have lifetime subs for both Champions and STO were beta testers for both those games. A lot of us bought our subs while we were still in Beta test phase. I've beta tested just about every major MMO that has come out since CoH. I'm happy that Cryptic is giving us a shot and trustig us to give them some feed back. So don't know what you're talking about pal.
To the guy that said that beta tester need to be chosen by computer specs... What you think we don't upgrade.
Are only what is Seen, or is the more character to your being
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.
Isn't that false advertising?
I think you misread.....
or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?
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Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.
Isn't that false advertising?
I think you misread.....
or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?
Thats exactly what I think. I have two lifetime subs to STO and CO. But because I don't live within a 10 minute drive of PAX, some guy thats played neither, nor spent his money on either will get in ahead of me?
I suppose its not false advertising. Just poor customer relations.
this one is a AAA budget game. it will be f2p but the payment model will be just like CO and that is what i am really afraid of. what i hav seen in CO is that those who frequently use cash shop(pay2win players) get more advantage than lifetime or gold users(monthly sub), comparing to trubine or soe this model frm cryptic+pwe is very bad, ultimately just like any other pwe published mmo neverwinter will be pay2win. i hav decided to stay away frm pwe,aeria and fagster games. not goin to change that stance even if these companies publish a really good game cos i knw they will turn the game into shit in no time.
HRM, I bought a lifetime to CO but never played..(thought it would be something it wasn't). Wonder if they stil have me on file somewhere. Maybe I'll update my info today. Hrm.
this one is a AAA budget game. it will be f2p but the payment model will be just like CO and that is what i am really afraid of. what i hav seen in CO is that those who frequently use cash shop(pay2win players) get more advantage than lifetime or gold users(monthly sub)
What advantage would that be? Since there's no 'proper' PvP in CO, any 'advantage' you get from the store is going to be pretty meaningless. I have never used the store for anything other than the odd costume unlock that I liked the look of and a super-shrinker that I wanted for one of my characters.
They have a few bits that increase exp gain and such things but, again, who cares if someone levels slightly faster? What earthly difference does it make?
If you're worried about advantage in PvP, you really need to be playing a different game. That's not because of the store though, it's because Cryptic were never really serious about PvP and the game wasn't designed around it.
I have never played Champions, but Star Trek Online is a good decent game. Whether or not those two are worth purchasing life-time subscriptions depends upon the player's enjoyment ratio. I liked and enjoyed STO until level fifty, and they began that "lunchbox" buy the key lottery method. Since they never divulge the statistics I think it can be too easily rigged. I do not play anymore, but nonetheless it was a pretty good game. I do not mind spending a little money monthly for free-to-play games if it is a decent value. Offering beta access for life-time subscribers seems like a gracious boon for those that have already done so. It more than likely is not worth purchasing for beta access alone though unless you were already considering the life-time option. The current STO option is tempting indeed giving the monthly stipends and other rewards, but that lottery mechanism has had horrid effects on the economy.
Yeah, well at least people who play STO and CO get a bone thrown to 'em then. Something to try and take away that sour taste of lifetime subscription regret?
I wouldn't buy a lifetime sub now but I thought it was the right thing to do back then. I bought it for CO just before release and I'm happy that I got my money's worth out of it. In fact, I got my money's worth before it went F2P and, with the monthly stipend (or whatever you want to call it), they're more or less paying me to play now...
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing. Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.
As opposed to every other gamer who wants to beta test being qualified? I'm pretty sure serious testers that can provide professional services have already been chosen and have been testing.
Late beta testers can provide some feedback on what they like or don't like, provide load stress testing, and metrics that a smaller pool can't. There's not a lot of qualifications it takes to do this other than, 'can you log into a game successfully'. After that point they're just as qualified as every other armchair expert.
Beta testers should be determined by CPU specs not players that bought lifetime subscription to a game on a computer system they had 3 years ago.
How does CPU specs qualify a person to be a tester? That would only be relevant with relation to hardware testing and has nothing to do with personal qualifications.
You can still buy permanent subscriber status so it's not just people who bought this three years ago.
What makes someone qualified to beta test? What do you really think they're after with this test pool?
If you really need an answer to this google it.
I see. You don't have an answer. This is a discussion forum. How about you answer the question or just admit that it was a bullshit answer.
You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player. Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.
Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing. Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.
Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me. Would it help you to know I have a lifetime sub to one of those games and will not be participating in the Neverwinter beta? I'm even worse than non-qualified, I'm non-participative!
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player. Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.
So basically you are saying that since you have a crappy computer that your grandma gave you, you are a qualified beta tester?
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player. Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.
Pretty sure the "qualifications" for being a Beta Tester are:
1. Have a computer
2. Have a keyboard for said computer
3. Able to type on said computer with said keyboard
4 (Optional). Computer is able to run currently tested game
You'd be surprised at how many bugs you can get tracked down by tossing random monkeys at a piece of software. If you go out looking for specifically hardcore gamers or experienced beta testers and no one else, you're likely to miss a great deal of 'for granted' problems. Not that it matters though..because Cryptic (or PWE) aren't really known for their ability to listen to the players. There's STILL bugs in STO/CO that have been sitting in queue since release. I'm a lifer and reported a few hundred bugs during beta..most of them are still pending.
They're just looking to get as many random people as possible to make sure it's at least partially playable..so that they can stick a shop in it and be good to go. Anyone that doesn't realize this yet hasn't played a Cryptic game..or they selectively remember. Not that I blame them..money is money. I still have moderate fun on their games..regardless. I'm not looking for lifechanging events...just boredom passing for a few hours.
Not sure how people that paid for a lifetime subscription = qualified for Beta testing. Sounds like another Beta test being used for a game demo.
Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me. Would it help you to know I have a lifetime sub to one of those games and will not be participating in the Neverwinter beta? I'm even worse than non-qualified, I'm non-participative!
Originally posted by Talonsin
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player. Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.
So basically you are saying that since you have a crappy computer that your grandma gave you, you are a qualified beta tester?
Sour grapes? LMAO. How about learning what Beta testing is for, but I guess when you view Beta as a free trial you get your response.
You couldn't pay me to test this game after playing their STO casino cash-grab.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Just a quick note on this: Please remember that we will be phasing in CBT participants, including CO and STO Lifetime subscribers as the beta progresses. This means that you may not receive Beta access on day one of the Closed Beta Test if you are a lifetime subscriber of Champions or Star Trek. You may need to wait awhile.
That said, I promise you will gain access to the Closed Beta.
Thanks,
Stormshade
So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.
Isn't that false advertising?
I think you misread.....
or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?
Thats exactly what I think. I have two lifetime subs to STO and CO. But because I don't live within a 10 minute drive of PAX, some guy thats played neither, nor spent his money on either will get in ahead of me?
I suppose its not false advertising. Just poor customer relations.
Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.
Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.
And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.
Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.
Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.
Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.
And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.
Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.
That's really what testing is about: finding glitches, providing metrics, feedback about usability and gameplay, running various scenarios, load testing and such.
People like to test because they want to make the software better.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
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Its probably just a matter of wanting people to play through the game and find what isnt working.
Just so you know alot of us people who have lifetime subs for both Champions and STO were beta testers for both those games. A lot of us bought our subs while we were still in Beta test phase. I've beta tested just about every major MMO that has come out since CoH. I'm happy that Cryptic is giving us a shot and trustig us to give them some feed back. So don't know what you're talking about pal.
To the guy that said that beta tester need to be chosen by computer specs... What you think we don't upgrade.
Are only what is Seen, or is the more character to your being
So even if your a lifetime subscriber, your not guaranteed to get in.
Isn't that false advertising?
I think you misread.....
or do you think that because it isn't access to every stage of beta that you think makes it false?
Dont be, that is a 300 dollar beta key.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Thats exactly what I think. I have two lifetime subs to STO and CO. But because I don't live within a 10 minute drive of PAX, some guy thats played neither, nor spent his money on either will get in ahead of me?
I suppose its not false advertising. Just poor customer relations.
this one is a AAA budget game. it will be f2p but the payment model will be just like CO and that is what i am really afraid of. what i hav seen in CO is that those who frequently use cash shop(pay2win players) get more advantage than lifetime or gold users(monthly sub), comparing to trubine or soe this model frm cryptic+pwe is very bad, ultimately just like any other pwe published mmo neverwinter will be pay2win. i hav decided to stay away frm pwe,aeria and fagster games. not goin to change that stance even if these companies publish a really good game cos i knw they will turn the game into shit in no time.
HRM, I bought a lifetime to CO but never played..(thought it would be something it wasn't). Wonder if they stil have me on file somewhere. Maybe I'll update my info today. Hrm.
Again.
*Sigh*
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I think it's a cool move... I like companies that recognize the people that went the extra mile and believed in them.
What advantage would that be? Since there's no 'proper' PvP in CO, any 'advantage' you get from the store is going to be pretty meaningless. I have never used the store for anything other than the odd costume unlock that I liked the look of and a super-shrinker that I wanted for one of my characters.
They have a few bits that increase exp gain and such things but, again, who cares if someone levels slightly faster? What earthly difference does it make?
If you're worried about advantage in PvP, you really need to be playing a different game. That's not because of the store though, it's because Cryptic were never really serious about PvP and the game wasn't designed around it.
I have never played Champions, but Star Trek Online is a good decent game. Whether or not those two are worth purchasing life-time subscriptions depends upon the player's enjoyment ratio. I liked and enjoyed STO until level fifty, and they began that "lunchbox" buy the key lottery method. Since they never divulge the statistics I think it can be too easily rigged. I do not play anymore, but nonetheless it was a pretty good game. I do not mind spending a little money monthly for free-to-play games if it is a decent value. Offering beta access for life-time subscribers seems like a gracious boon for those that have already done so. It more than likely is not worth purchasing for beta access alone though unless you were already considering the life-time option. The current STO option is tempting indeed giving the monthly stipends and other rewards, but that lottery mechanism has had horrid effects on the economy.
Yeah, well at least people who play STO and CO get a bone thrown to 'em then. Something to try and take away that sour taste of lifetime subscription regret?
Assuming NWN doesn't suck up a storm..
Advice: Don't buy the lifetime sub!
I wouldn't buy a lifetime sub now but I thought it was the right thing to do back then. I bought it for CO just before release and I'm happy that I got my money's worth out of it. In fact, I got my money's worth before it went F2P and, with the monthly stipend (or whatever you want to call it), they're more or less paying me to play now...
I'll sell you mine for $200
You see Beta tests are to test the software on minimum spec hardware not the player. Just stop with your worthless, clueless bullshit responses.
Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me. Would it help you to know I have a lifetime sub to one of those games and will not be participating in the Neverwinter beta? I'm even worse than non-qualified, I'm non-participative!
So basically you are saying that since you have a crappy computer that your grandma gave you, you are a qualified beta tester?
Pretty sure the "qualifications" for being a Beta Tester are:
1. Have a computer
2. Have a keyboard for said computer
3. Able to type on said computer with said keyboard
4 (Optional). Computer is able to run currently tested game
You'd be surprised at how many bugs you can get tracked down by tossing random monkeys at a piece of software. If you go out looking for specifically hardcore gamers or experienced beta testers and no one else, you're likely to miss a great deal of 'for granted' problems. Not that it matters though..because Cryptic (or PWE) aren't really known for their ability to listen to the players. There's STILL bugs in STO/CO that have been sitting in queue since release. I'm a lifer and reported a few hundred bugs during beta..most of them are still pending.
They're just looking to get as many random people as possible to make sure it's at least partially playable..so that they can stick a shop in it and be good to go. Anyone that doesn't realize this yet hasn't played a Cryptic game..or they selectively remember. Not that I blame them..money is money. I still have moderate fun on their games..regardless. I'm not looking for lifechanging events...just boredom passing for a few hours.
Sour grapes? LMAO. How about learning what Beta testing is for, but I guess when you view Beta as a free trial you get your response.
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Cryptic = Nickel & Diming Company w/ poor game development.
There is a reason for these little offers.
You couldn't pay me to test this game after playing their STO casino cash-grab.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Well, if it is any consolation, unless you truly want to 'test' an unfinished product, there isn't much of a benefit in being in the first stages of beta.
Those people aren't having fun, they are slogging through bugs and performance issues and unfinished/unedited quest text, etc. until last stages of beta.
And then, as soon as it gets to be entertaining, they delete your toon and the game goes live.
Really, to have the earliest access to beta isn't a real selling point to me at all.
Wow, if only I had said that .../wink.