Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
yup been that way forever... I to like to try everything and am very open minded about my games. Just recently though not much has kept my attention for more than a couple months
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
yup been that way forever... I to like to try everything and am very open minded about my games. Just recently though not much has kept my attention for more than a couple months
if the secret world investigation were applied in all mmorpgs the games would be so much better i really love the investigation questin its just awesome .
Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
yup been that way forever... I to like to try everything and am very open minded about my games. Just recently though not much has kept my attention for more than a couple months
if the secret world investigation were applied in all mmorpgs the games would be so much better i really love the investigation questin its just awesome .
I agree MMOs just need more variety in questing... so many are stuck in the same reptative questing that's been in this genre since the start.. It's nice to see a game try something differn't and hope future games follow suit and give a lot more options in the types of quest they offer
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
Like I said OP. I respect you opinion. I also said the more perspectives the better. What you will find on this site the overwhelming majority of bad comments on any game comes from a paticular community. Like I said this might not apply to you.
Feel free, look at the worst posts about TSW you can find. Tell me where did they come from.
Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
Like I said OP. I respect you opinion. I also said the more perspectives the better. What you will find on this site the overwhelming majority of bad comments on any game comes from a paticular community. Like I said this might not apply to you.
Feel free, look at the worst posts about TSW you can find. Tell me where did they come from.
Seems *most* people who are pumped about GW2 really dislike this game. That may be a good thing however.
My thoughts on TSW are that the game is a good idea. I'm not totally sold on the execution. At this point, if it were buy to play, then I'd buy it and play it, but I would not pay a subscription fee for the game.
The setting and story are really good. I like the lack of levels, where you stack of AP and SP for your skills. I like the quest system and how you choose which quests to do instead of just stacking as many as you can fit in your quest log all at once. I think the complexity is definitely there in the combat, the world and the quests. The environments seem fully fleshed out, plenty of stuff happening in the background, and at the same time, there's very little wasted space. Everything has a purpose, even if you don't see that purpose.
The avatar animations and combat is clunky though. The UI is a bit glitchy. For instance, the X buttons don't close out your windows, you have to hit 'ESC' to close the windows. When coming back from viewing your map, getting your character to run can be a bit finicky in how you have to click or release your mouse buttons to get your avatar to start running. The lighting was totally weird...but I think this could be as much because of ATI's drivers as it is the game. This is just little stuff...I didn't see anything major, but it's enough to put me off of playing the game for awhile. At least for a subscription fee. Like I said, I'd buy the game, but I wouldn't pay a sub fee for the game. Yet.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I dont agree with the OP but I do think his oppinion is a honoust and fair one.
Sadly most of the time you cant say something positive without getting flamed, or instant kiled by a hater or branded a fanboi.
You cant say something negative without getting flamed, or instant killed by a fanboi and/or branded a hater.
Im not pro any company, Im not against them either, I always played several mmos at the time and will continue to do so.
I have my own list of cons and pro's for TSW and I fully agree there is plenty that can or even needs to be improved, same can be said for GW2 which I pre-ordered as well to pick a excample.
People need to remind themselves at times for who they are playing the game, deep down we all play our games for ourselves. I play MY mmos for me, if you share my passion for my mmo great, we'll enjoy it together if not.. oh well.
Funcom, just like plenty of other companies have provided me months of good oll entertainment, this is the part I care about, when the game stops being fun to me I stop playing it, its that simple and if ANY company releases a game that attracts me Ill try it. Holding a grudge against any company only distracts from the important things, the things that actually DO bring joy and entertainment.
Bunch of babys! Either play the damn game or don't simple as that, and if your the ones that think hey the game could use that ok cool, but if your on the other side of the fence by saying, hmmm Funcom has fantastic ideas but has no idea what they are doing is complete bs. For all the so called devolpers on this site, why don't you make a game and then WE can tair it appart from the code to the game play mechanics.
Enjoy a game for what it was designed for not for what YOU think it has to have or you'll complain left right and center about it. Someone said that GW2 is refreshing? Really? not to bitch but I am looking forward to GW2 I am, but come on! There is NOTHING refreshing regarding GW2, yes you can fight underwater, yes it has SOME open world stuff , Not like EQ or AO , vanguard sandbox, and you people praise GW2 combat over TSW, GW2 is the same old same old auto attack bs and alot less customization on your characters, even the graphics are outdated, and thats playing on Ultra in CBT GW2.
Bottom line is what I am trying to say, both games are great, both have a different appeal and I will be playing both games, but don't flame one because the other is right around the corner, I did that to prove a point, and yes TSW has it's "issues" but not withstanding.
Just play the games and don't try to dismantle every bit of the games mechanics, just play it and have fun simple as that.
Tried to play at last BWE on TSW got a key started to download sadly i had very busy week end. anyway dowloader kept crushing all the time at around 500-600mb left "fatal error" and started it again maybe if i had more time to restart it every 30 min eventually somethg could happen but after 6 restarts i gave up dont know whats wrong with downloader but i really wanted to check this interesting no Lvl game with XP from mobs and why ppl are saying it has no lvls but you need xp for new skills as for me it sounds like they just hide lvl.
Anyway looks like next try will be 7/3 and maybe some "animation" problems if they are really as bad as people are saying will be fixed.
I am with the op about game play on this one. I have only tried 2 of the weekend events and I am sure someone will tell me I am missing something, but the gameplay puts me off to this game. Now, I know that my avatar and my sig state i am a GW fan, however i am far from a fanboy and have no problems admitting that. I was/am very interested in this game for its lore, its story, environment, setting, questing and generally fresh ideas about how to make a "modern day" mmo. I can look past the character models if only because thats not a make or break for me. Do i want my character to look good? Of course, but playing something i enjoy takes priority over looking good visually. So, what is it that i don't like in the game play? Combat and here is why.
If i shoot something with an assault rifle, I want it to look like i shot something with an assault rifle, and yes this is an animation thing, but still it makes the combat not connect.
Movement feels sluggish, dodge seems to not make much of a difference as far as avoidence of damage goes, "casting while moving" seems like it was added as an after-thought hence the way upperhalf of your body looks like it can turn 90 degrees while your lower half is still running one way, and the big thing that bothered me was when using a skill, i could interrupt my own skill by using another skill. (I was using pistols btw.) Anyway, i would say for both events i played, I spent around 15 hours total in game and yes my judgement is based off that somewhat limited experience.
All these things are opinion based, of course and if you don't agree, i understand. Either way, I had a fun experience in the beta's and if perchance this game goes ftp, then i will be back here for the limited time i have available to play games. With the Skill wheel, i am sure i would have lots of fun making up useless builds just for the enjoyment of watching them fail on my way to finding awesome. To the fans of the game, i envy you and the time you will spend with it. But for me, I must pass. Have fun!
I'm sorry but the only one saying anything about the second coming is you. Fans of a game accept its flaws and strengths.
Bunch of babys! Either play the damn game or don't simple as that, and if your the ones that think hey the game could use that ok cool, but if your on the other side of the fence by saying, hmmm Funcom has fantastic ideas but has no idea what they are doing is complete bs. For all the so called devolpers on this site, why don't you make a game and then WE can tair it appart from the code to the game play mechanics.
Enjoy a game for what it was designed for not for what YOU think it has to have or you'll complain left right and center about it. Someone said that GW2 is refreshing? Really? not to bitch but I am looking forward to GW2 I am, but come on! There is NOTHING refreshing regarding GW2, yes you can fight underwater, yes it has SOME open world stuff , Not like EQ or AO , vanguard sandbox, and you people praise GW2 combat over TSW, GW2 is the same old same old auto attack bs and alot less customization on your characters, even the graphics are outdated, and thats playing on Ultra in CBT GW2.
Bottom line is what I am trying to say, both games are great, both have a different appeal and I will be playing both games, but don't flame one because the other is right around the corner, I did that to prove a point, and yes TSW has it's "issues" but not withstanding.
Just play the games and don't try to dismantle every bit of the games mechanics, just play it and have fun simple as that.
Bunch of babys! Either play the damn game or don't simple as that, and if your the ones that think hey the game could use that ok cool, but if your on the other side of the fence by saying, hmmm Funcom has fantastic ideas but has no idea what they are doing is complete bs. For all the so called devolpers on this site, why don't you make a game and then WE can tair it appart from the code to the game play mechanics.
Enjoy a game for what it was designed for not for what YOU think it has to have or you'll complain left right and center about it. Someone said that GW2 is refreshing? Really? not to bitch but I am looking forward to GW2 I am, but come on! There is NOTHING refreshing regarding GW2, yes you can fight underwater, yes it has SOME open world stuff , Not like EQ or AO , vanguard sandbox, and you people praise GW2 combat over TSW, GW2 is the same old same old auto attack bs and alot less customization on your characters, even the graphics are outdated, and thats playing on Ultra in CBT GW2.
Bottom line is what I am trying to say, both games are great, both have a different appeal and I will be playing both games, but don't flame one because the other is right around the corner, I did that to prove a point, and yes TSW has it's "issues" but not withstanding.
Just play the games and don't try to dismantle every bit of the games mechanics, just play it and have fun simple as that.
Why do you bother with these forums if you only want to hear what people that agree with you have to say? Isn't that the whole point of sites like MMORPG? To give a avenue for people to share their opinions on MMO's. Well that and a ad revenue hub but that's anouther topic.
Bunch of babys! Either play the damn game or don't simple as that, and if your the ones that think hey the game could use that ok cool, but if your on the other side of the fence by saying, hmmm Funcom has fantastic ideas but has no idea what they are doing is complete bs. For all the so called devolpers on this site, why don't you make a game and then WE can tair it appart from the code to the game play mechanics.
Enjoy a game for what it was designed for not for what YOU think it has to have or you'll complain left right and center about it. Someone said that GW2 is refreshing? Really? not to bitch but I am looking forward to GW2 I am, but come on! There is NOTHING refreshing regarding GW2, yes you can fight underwater, yes it has SOME open world stuff , Not like EQ or AO , vanguard sandbox, and you people praise GW2 combat over TSW, GW2 is the same old same old auto attack bs and alot less customization on your characters, even the graphics are outdated, and thats playing on Ultra in CBT GW2.
Bottom line is what I am trying to say, both games are great, both have a different appeal and I will be playing both games, but don't flame one because the other is right around the corner, I did that to prove a point, and yes TSW has it's "issues" but not withstanding.
Just play the games and don't try to dismantle every bit of the games mechanics, just play it and have fun simple as that.
Why do you bother with these forums if you only want to hear what people that agree with you have to say? Isn't that the whole point of sites like MMORPG? To give a avenue for people to share their opinions on MMO's. Well that and a ad revenue hub but that's anouther topic.
I for one enjoy reading oppinions, I dont always agree but I still enjoy the experiances of others.
That said, too often it results in flame wars where the .. war gets to a point that the actual oppinions are no longer pressent.
Tried to play at last BWE on TSW got a key started to download sadly i had very busy week end. anyway dowloader kept crushing all the time at around 500-600mb left "fatal error" and started it again maybe if i had more time to restart it every 30 min eventually somethg could happen but after 6 restarts i gave up dont know whats wrong with downloader but i really wanted to check this interesting no Lvl game with XP from mobs and why ppl are saying it has no lvls but you need xp for new skills as for me it sounds like they just hide lvl.
Anyway looks like next try will be 7/3 and maybe some "animation" problems if they are really as bad as people are saying will be fixed.
GO Funcom finish your game.
Had the same problem but after disabling my Kaspersky anti-virus I could finish downloading. After that I just re-enabled anti-virus and TSW was working well.
Keep reading on gameplay being bad. TSW is a more advanced version of GW2 which is quite dumbed down compared to TSW. Don't see how people are saying GW2 gameplay is so great when they are both the same just GW2 is very generic.
Keep reading on gameplay being bad. TSW is a more advanced version of GW2 which is quite dumbed down compared to TSW. Don't see how people are saying GW2 gameplay is so great when they are both the same just GW2 is very generic.
Best MMO in 10yrs. That's all there is to say.
lol you sure tell it like it is....or want it to be.
Good honest review. I agree with you. Their is no excuse for gameplay to be this poor in 2012. Games like WoW, and CoH's have been out for years with better graphicsand gameplay.
You're crazy as hell.
Graphically the game is up there with any of them. Now if you are talking animations then I'd agree with you.
I thought I would love this mmo, I love the horror genre. However, it just didn't draw me in. The animations are awful and the combat is clunky. I tried all of the weapons in the test chamber and you could be nowhere near the hologram and still hit with melee. Which was why I chose ranged, (went blood magic), Ranged was better, but I didn't really feel there was any real sense of impact with the ranged abilities,it felt disconnected. Another thing that bugged me was the dodge mechanic, it is really too short to be of any tactical significance, you can only dodge twice then it takes forever to fill the bar back up and during that time you can't dodge. It felt tacked on. The skill wheel is nice,it's neat that you can have so many combinations to make some unique characters. However, this will be a nightmare to balance and that is unfortunate for pvp. I only played pvp briefly, so I won't comment on that, What I did play was the capture point warzone and no one was really in there, and the map was capped in it's entirety by the other team,so I it wasn't very fun. The map was big though, which made traveling kind of a pain. I hope they have, or they add, some vehicles like tanks or something that would be cool.
The story and puzzle quests were good,but the quests in between those are the same standard quests as any mmo, They need more of the puzzle quests, those were fun. The story was good for an mmo, but any hardcore horror fan would probably rate it on par with a bad Stephen King movie. The voice acting is very uneven ranging from good(the cowboy you meet going into Kingsmouth) to bad ( the head agent at the Illuminati headquarters) . The setting is nice, it is pretty atmospheric in places, but in some places it gets a little sparse with the scenary. The exploration is pretty nill, nothing really invites you to explore unless you have a quest there, I would like to have some really spooky places off the beaten path to explore.
It's unfortunate that this game is releasing so soon, it need more time in the oven. Right now it's mediocre,but if it had more time it could be great. It has some good ideas, but funcom either doesn't have the skills or the funding to make the game really shine.
I thought I would love this mmo, I love the horror genre. However, it just didn't draw me in. The animations are awful and the combat is clunky. I tried all of the weapons in the test chamber and you could be nowhere near the hologram and still hit with melee. Which was why I chose ranged, (went blood magic), Ranged was better, but I didn't really feel there was any real sense of impact with the ranged abilities,it felt disconnected. Another thing that bugged me was the dodge mechanic, it is really too short to be of any tactical significance, you can only dodge twice then it takes forever to fill the bar back up and during that time you can't dodge. It felt tacked on. The skill wheel is nice,it's neat that you can have so many combinations to make some unique characters. However, this will be a nightmare to balance and that is unfortunate for pvp. I only played pvp briefly, so I won't comment on that, What I did play was the capture point warzone and no one was really in there, and the map was capped in it's entirety by the other team,so I it wasn't very fun. The map was big though, which made traveling kind of a pain. I hope they have, or they add, some vehicles like tanks or something that would be cool.
The story and puzzle quests were good,but the quests in between those are the same standard quests as any mmo, They need more of the puzzle quests, those were fun. The story was good for an mmo, but any hardcore horror fan would probably rate it on par with a bad Stephen King movie. The voice acting is very uneven ranging from good(the cowboy you meet going into Kingsmouth) to bad ( the head agent at the Illuminati headquarters) . The setting is nice, it is pretty atmospheric in places, but in some places it gets a little sparse with the scenary. The exploration is pretty nill, nothing really invites you to explore unless you have a quest there, I would like to have some really spooky places off the beaten path to explore.
It's unfortunate that this game is releasing so soon, it need more time in the oven. Right now it's mediocre,but if it had more time it could be great. It has some good ideas, but funcom either doesn't have the skills or the funding to make the game really shine.
This game could be really really good with more time and effort, also i dislike the artistic item logos and icons you know
Honestly i think "hardcore" gamers just have more time than average adults. You know? The wage earning family guys that actually have to sacrifice sleep in order to have more than 2 hours of game time a night.
But enough of that... I'm not talking about single adult "children" or basement virgins.
The gameplay? Hmm yes because WoW is so original. The gameplay to my mind, with the active dodge and Area attack stuff is like a nice mix between between Tera and the other new next gen MMO's. Tera was like sexual eye candy. Skip the action combat and oogle. Look at the boobies. The sensual lines on the hips... etc etc. Still the action combat was nice... but that's been done before: Vindictus and Dragon Nest come to mind... still it has a horrid quest system and terrible content in my opinion.
TSW? The gameplay isn't horrible... I'm not sure what you mean by "feel" you have a Force feedback mouse or something? The fact of the matter is even with AoC I got tired of the constant beheadings, evisceration etc... to compare another game... Warhammer Space Marine 40k; ever play it? It's an awesome game ... to a degree. The slo mo back breaking critical hit chainsaw cinematronic scenes? Lame. There's no FLOW. After a while... yawn.
I'll confess I like the game there is quite a bit of immersion and an almost visceral feel of darkness. I'm in it for the story and the exploration. I detest games like SWTOR and WoW to such an extreme now that i have a hard time playing either. GW2? Well... I considered it but then i remembered how much i disliked GW1.
I like PvP I like pitting my skills against other players. I dislike "groups" of elitest players running around pwning battlegrounds like they're all boss and being "yo i'm hardcore i got mad skillz" no you don't have mad skillz you've just got a group of better players backing you up. The one's that don't brag? Those are the dudes that are good at what they do. I've I can 1 on 1 someone in a BG and live? Then i know the PvP is decent. I don't like getting zerg swarmed as such. This game though caters to all styles of play. I think what a lot of "hardcore" people have a problem with is that there is no neon sign that says "Here is your FOTM spec." The open and free form ability system intrigues the old school experienced players and seriously puts off the WoW kiddies.
TSW? The gameplay isn't horrible... I'm not sure what you mean by "feel" you have a Force feedback mouse or something? The fact of the matter is even with AoC I got tired of the constant beheadings, evisceration etc... to compare another game... Warhammer Space Marine 40k; ever play it? It's an awesome game ... to a degree. The slo mo back breaking critical hit chainsaw cinematronic scenes? Lame. There's no FLOW. After a while... yawn.
I have to agree with Coranthe on this. What gaming setup do you have that WoW, CoH, or other mmos gave you this "feeling"? WoW was the worst in this department, so I'm just confused. Combat in TSW felt more viceral and real imho than a lot of other mmos I have played. Sure TSW is not perfect in this department, but once I got into this game and all the little pieces fell into place, TSW was just plain fun for me. I was enjoying myself the 2nd beta weekend, but was not really sold on the game. When I got into the 3rd weekend, everything the game does well just clickd with me and I started to have the most fun I have had in a long while in an mmo. Perhaps being a "hardcore gamer" OP means your just a bit burnt out on the genera, or you simply play too much and have unreasonable expectations. I don't see how the gameplay in this game is bad at all, but to each their own. I hope OP that u find a game u can enjoy, but I just can't understand your problems with TSW.
I've been in TSW closed beta for a while, and after having the chance to test out GW2, I can see why people would feel TSW has less interesting combat. There are certain mechanics (for better or worse) that appear in GW2 that do not appear in TSW:
GW2 allows stealth (I have not seen any such skill in TSW)
GW2 has clones/pets (although TSW does have some form of a "pet" to a lesser extent)
GW2's class mechanics layer on top of class skills (which doesn't really fit TSW since you have all skills open to you)
GW2 has all classes equipped with the capability to heal and rez
GW2 has all classes equipped with some form of cc/snare/root (this is very dependent upon your build in TSW)
GW2 allows access to at least 15 (5 (weapon 1) + 5 (weapon 2) + 1 (heal) + 3 (support) + 1 (elite)) whereas TSW only allows 7 (This is my personal biggest gripe with TSW; I feel they set their mind on 7 active skills and never looked back as to how inflexible it made combat feel. Although, if they allowed hot-swapping builds that could help "tremendously" (not holding my breath on that one).)
TSW has a lot more mechanics behind the scene (passive skills interacting uniquely with strike attacks, fury attacks, chain attacks, impairs, afflictions, etc.) Much of the magic to TSW is in their skillwheel, which is not so obviously apparent and can be easily overlooked. (GW2 does have the unique combo system though, which is quite nice.)
The games are quite different after you spend enough time thoroughly playing them. But, as many have mentioned before, TSW is being rushed out the door (it honestly does need some additional time for fixes), and this may drive a lot of people away after the first few months. Additionally, the PvP is rather lackluster compared to GW2. In GW2 there is a rather big emphasis on team play (both in PvE and PvP), but in TSW the only team play that exists (in PvP) is "healer heal PLZ!". Also, the Fusang battleground is rather small for the large number of people allowed to play in it, which caters strongly to the zerg mentality. Funcom will have to focus on these issues immediately after release, if it wants to retain players beyond the first few months.
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Well im a big fan and i love Guildwars 2 but that doesn´t mean i can´t try or be blinded by just one game i like to play all types of games and choose the best for me, you know.
I will also try the Archeage and Planetside 2 thats me i try everything and see what is the one that i like the most.
Im not a hater althought in this site everything negative you say you are flamed or instantly killed by some fanboi.
yup been that way forever... I to like to try everything and am very open minded about my games. Just recently though not much has kept my attention for more than a couple months
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
if the secret world investigation were applied in all mmorpgs the games would be so much better i really love the investigation questin its just awesome .
I agree MMOs just need more variety in questing... so many are stuck in the same reptative questing that's been in this genre since the start.. It's nice to see a game try something differn't and hope future games follow suit and give a lot more options in the types of quest they offer
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Like I said OP. I respect you opinion. I also said the more perspectives the better. What you will find on this site the overwhelming majority of bad comments on any game comes from a paticular community. Like I said this might not apply to you.
Feel free, look at the worst posts about TSW you can find. Tell me where did they come from.
Agreed.
My thoughts on TSW are that the game is a good idea. I'm not totally sold on the execution. At this point, if it were buy to play, then I'd buy it and play it, but I would not pay a subscription fee for the game.
The setting and story are really good. I like the lack of levels, where you stack of AP and SP for your skills. I like the quest system and how you choose which quests to do instead of just stacking as many as you can fit in your quest log all at once. I think the complexity is definitely there in the combat, the world and the quests. The environments seem fully fleshed out, plenty of stuff happening in the background, and at the same time, there's very little wasted space. Everything has a purpose, even if you don't see that purpose.
The avatar animations and combat is clunky though. The UI is a bit glitchy. For instance, the X buttons don't close out your windows, you have to hit 'ESC' to close the windows. When coming back from viewing your map, getting your character to run can be a bit finicky in how you have to click or release your mouse buttons to get your avatar to start running. The lighting was totally weird...but I think this could be as much because of ATI's drivers as it is the game. This is just little stuff...I didn't see anything major, but it's enough to put me off of playing the game for awhile. At least for a subscription fee. Like I said, I'd buy the game, but I wouldn't pay a sub fee for the game. Yet.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I dont agree with the OP but I do think his oppinion is a honoust and fair one.
Sadly most of the time you cant say something positive without getting flamed, or instant kiled by a hater or branded a fanboi.
You cant say something negative without getting flamed, or instant killed by a fanboi and/or branded a hater.
Im not pro any company, Im not against them either, I always played several mmos at the time and will continue to do so.
I have my own list of cons and pro's for TSW and I fully agree there is plenty that can or even needs to be improved, same can be said for GW2 which I pre-ordered as well to pick a excample.
People need to remind themselves at times for who they are playing the game, deep down we all play our games for ourselves. I play MY mmos for me, if you share my passion for my mmo great, we'll enjoy it together if not.. oh well.
Funcom, just like plenty of other companies have provided me months of good oll entertainment, this is the part I care about, when the game stops being fun to me I stop playing it, its that simple and if ANY company releases a game that attracts me Ill try it. Holding a grudge against any company only distracts from the important things, the things that actually DO bring joy and entertainment.
Bunch of babys! Either play the damn game or don't simple as that, and if your the ones that think hey the game could use that ok cool, but if your on the other side of the fence by saying, hmmm Funcom has fantastic ideas but has no idea what they are doing is complete bs. For all the so called devolpers on this site, why don't you make a game and then WE can tair it appart from the code to the game play mechanics.
Enjoy a game for what it was designed for not for what YOU think it has to have or you'll complain left right and center about it. Someone said that GW2 is refreshing? Really? not to bitch but I am looking forward to GW2 I am, but come on! There is NOTHING refreshing regarding GW2, yes you can fight underwater, yes it has SOME open world stuff , Not like EQ or AO , vanguard sandbox, and you people praise GW2 combat over TSW, GW2 is the same old same old auto attack bs and alot less customization on your characters, even the graphics are outdated, and thats playing on Ultra in CBT GW2.
Bottom line is what I am trying to say, both games are great, both have a different appeal and I will be playing both games, but don't flame one because the other is right around the corner, I did that to prove a point, and yes TSW has it's "issues" but not withstanding.
Just play the games and don't try to dismantle every bit of the games mechanics, just play it and have fun simple as that.
Tried to play at last BWE on TSW got a key started to download sadly i had very busy week end. anyway dowloader kept crushing all the time at around 500-600mb left "fatal error" and started it again maybe if i had more time to restart it every 30 min eventually somethg could happen but after 6 restarts i gave up dont know whats wrong with downloader but i really wanted to check this interesting no Lvl game with XP from mobs
and why ppl are saying it has no lvls but you need xp for new skills as for me it sounds like they just hide lvl.
Anyway looks like next try will be 7/3
and maybe some "animation" problems if they are really as bad as people are saying will be fixed.
GO Funcom finish your game.
I am with the op about game play on this one. I have only tried 2 of the weekend events and I am sure someone will tell me I am missing something, but the gameplay puts me off to this game. Now, I know that my avatar and my sig state i am a GW fan, however i am far from a fanboy and have no problems admitting that. I was/am very interested in this game for its lore, its story, environment, setting, questing and generally fresh ideas about how to make a "modern day" mmo. I can look past the character models if only because thats not a make or break for me. Do i want my character to look good? Of course, but playing something i enjoy takes priority over looking good visually. So, what is it that i don't like in the game play? Combat and here is why.
If i shoot something with an assault rifle, I want it to look like i shot something with an assault rifle, and yes this is an animation thing, but still it makes the combat not connect.
Movement feels sluggish, dodge seems to not make much of a difference as far as avoidence of damage goes, "casting while moving" seems like it was added as an after-thought hence the way upperhalf of your body looks like it can turn 90 degrees while your lower half is still running one way, and the big thing that bothered me was when using a skill, i could interrupt my own skill by using another skill. (I was using pistols btw.) Anyway, i would say for both events i played, I spent around 15 hours total in game and yes my judgement is based off that somewhat limited experience.
All these things are opinion based, of course and if you don't agree, i understand. Either way, I had a fun experience in the beta's and if perchance this game goes ftp, then i will be back here for the limited time i have available to play games. With the Skill wheel, i am sure i would have lots of fun making up useless builds just for the enjoyment of watching them fail on my way to finding awesome. To the fans of the game, i envy you and the time you will spend with it. But for me, I must pass. Have fun!
I'm sorry but the only one saying anything about the second coming is you. Fans of a game accept its flaws and strengths.
10/10
Why do you bother with these forums if you only want to hear what people that agree with you have to say? Isn't that the whole point of sites like MMORPG? To give a avenue for people to share their opinions on MMO's. Well that and a ad revenue hub but that's anouther topic.
I for one enjoy reading oppinions, I dont always agree but I still enjoy the experiances of others.
That said, too often it results in flame wars where the .. war gets to a point that the actual oppinions are no longer pressent.
Had the same problem but after disabling my Kaspersky anti-virus I could finish downloading. After that I just re-enabled anti-virus and TSW was working well.
Keep reading on gameplay being bad. TSW is a more advanced version of GW2 which is quite dumbed down compared to TSW. Don't see how people are saying GW2 gameplay is so great when they are both the same just GW2 is very generic.
Best MMO in 10yrs. That's all there is to say.
lol you sure tell it like it is....or want it to be.
You're crazy as hell.
Graphically the game is up there with any of them. Now if you are talking animations then I'd agree with you.
I thought I would love this mmo, I love the horror genre. However, it just didn't draw me in. The animations are awful and the combat is clunky. I tried all of the weapons in the test chamber and you could be nowhere near the hologram and still hit with melee. Which was why I chose ranged, (went blood magic), Ranged was better, but I didn't really feel there was any real sense of impact with the ranged abilities,it felt disconnected. Another thing that bugged me was the dodge mechanic, it is really too short to be of any tactical significance, you can only dodge twice then it takes forever to fill the bar back up and during that time you can't dodge. It felt tacked on. The skill wheel is nice,it's neat that you can have so many combinations to make some unique characters. However, this will be a nightmare to balance and that is unfortunate for pvp. I only played pvp briefly, so I won't comment on that, What I did play was the capture point warzone and no one was really in there, and the map was capped in it's entirety by the other team,so I it wasn't very fun. The map was big though, which made traveling kind of a pain. I hope they have, or they add, some vehicles like tanks or something that would be cool.
The story and puzzle quests were good,but the quests in between those are the same standard quests as any mmo, They need more of the puzzle quests, those were fun. The story was good for an mmo, but any hardcore horror fan would probably rate it on par with a bad Stephen King movie. The voice acting is very uneven ranging from good(the cowboy you meet going into Kingsmouth) to bad ( the head agent at the Illuminati headquarters) . The setting is nice, it is pretty atmospheric in places, but in some places it gets a little sparse with the scenary. The exploration is pretty nill, nothing really invites you to explore unless you have a quest there, I would like to have some really spooky places off the beaten path to explore.
It's unfortunate that this game is releasing so soon, it need more time in the oven. Right now it's mediocre,but if it had more time it could be great. It has some good ideas, but funcom either doesn't have the skills or the funding to make the game really shine.
This game could be really really good with more time and effort, also i dislike the artistic item logos and icons you know
I sincerely despise the term "hardcore gamer." It's such a silly elitist term that really holds very little meaning today.
Does it mean gaming is your own hobby?
Do you compete on a professional level in some games?
Have you made money from gaming at tournament levels?
Or does it just mean you have more hours in a given day to game than the average adult?
.. But in a good way.
What it really means..
Honestly i think "hardcore" gamers just have more time than average adults. You know? The wage earning family guys that actually have to sacrifice sleep in order to have more than 2 hours of game time a night.
But enough of that... I'm not talking about single adult "children" or basement virgins.
The gameplay? Hmm yes because WoW is so original. The gameplay to my mind, with the active dodge and Area attack stuff is like a nice mix between between Tera and the other new next gen MMO's. Tera was like sexual eye candy. Skip the action combat and oogle. Look at the boobies. The sensual lines on the hips... etc etc. Still the action combat was nice... but that's been done before: Vindictus and Dragon Nest come to mind... still it has a horrid quest system and terrible content in my opinion.
TSW? The gameplay isn't horrible... I'm not sure what you mean by "feel" you have a Force feedback mouse or something? The fact of the matter is even with AoC I got tired of the constant beheadings, evisceration etc... to compare another game... Warhammer Space Marine 40k; ever play it? It's an awesome game ... to a degree. The slo mo back breaking critical hit chainsaw cinematronic scenes? Lame. There's no FLOW. After a while... yawn.
I'll confess I like the game there is quite a bit of immersion and an almost visceral feel of darkness. I'm in it for the story and the exploration. I detest games like SWTOR and WoW to such an extreme now that i have a hard time playing either. GW2? Well... I considered it but then i remembered how much i disliked GW1.
I like PvP I like pitting my skills against other players. I dislike "groups" of elitest players running around pwning battlegrounds like they're all boss and being "yo i'm hardcore i got mad skillz" no you don't have mad skillz you've just got a group of better players backing you up. The one's that don't brag? Those are the dudes that are good at what they do. I've I can 1 on 1 someone in a BG and live? Then i know the PvP is decent. I don't like getting zerg swarmed as such. This game though caters to all styles of play. I think what a lot of "hardcore" people have a problem with is that there is no neon sign that says "Here is your FOTM spec." The open and free form ability system intrigues the old school experienced players and seriously puts off the WoW kiddies.
My two cents on this.
I have to agree with Coranthe on this. What gaming setup do you have that WoW, CoH, or other mmos gave you this "feeling"? WoW was the worst in this department, so I'm just confused. Combat in TSW felt more viceral and real imho than a lot of other mmos I have played. Sure TSW is not perfect in this department, but once I got into this game and all the little pieces fell into place, TSW was just plain fun for me. I was enjoying myself the 2nd beta weekend, but was not really sold on the game. When I got into the 3rd weekend, everything the game does well just clickd with me and I started to have the most fun I have had in a long while in an mmo. Perhaps being a "hardcore gamer" OP means your just a bit burnt out on the genera, or you simply play too much and have unreasonable expectations. I don't see how the gameplay in this game is bad at all, but to each their own. I hope OP that u find a game u can enjoy, but I just can't understand your problems with TSW.
I've been in TSW closed beta for a while, and after having the chance to test out GW2, I can see why people would feel TSW has less interesting combat. There are certain mechanics (for better or worse) that appear in GW2 that do not appear in TSW:
GW2 allows stealth (I have not seen any such skill in TSW)
GW2 has clones/pets (although TSW does have some form of a "pet" to a lesser extent)
GW2's class mechanics layer on top of class skills (which doesn't really fit TSW since you have all skills open to you)
GW2 has all classes equipped with the capability to heal and rez
GW2 has all classes equipped with some form of cc/snare/root (this is very dependent upon your build in TSW)
GW2 allows access to at least 15 (5 (weapon 1) + 5 (weapon 2) + 1 (heal) + 3 (support) + 1 (elite)) whereas TSW only allows 7 (This is my personal biggest gripe with TSW; I feel they set their mind on 7 active skills and never looked back as to how inflexible it made combat feel. Although, if they allowed hot-swapping builds that could help "tremendously" (not holding my breath on that one).)
TSW has a lot more mechanics behind the scene (passive skills interacting uniquely with strike attacks, fury attacks, chain attacks, impairs, afflictions, etc.) Much of the magic to TSW is in their skillwheel, which is not so obviously apparent and can be easily overlooked. (GW2 does have the unique combo system though, which is quite nice.)
The games are quite different after you spend enough time thoroughly playing them. But, as many have mentioned before, TSW is being rushed out the door (it honestly does need some additional time for fixes), and this may drive a lot of people away after the first few months. Additionally, the PvP is rather lackluster compared to GW2. In GW2 there is a rather big emphasis on team play (both in PvE and PvP), but in TSW the only team play that exists (in PvP) is "healer heal PLZ!". Also, the Fusang battleground is rather small for the large number of people allowed to play in it, which caters strongly to the zerg mentality. Funcom will have to focus on these issues immediately after release, if it wants to retain players beyond the first few months.