My 2 cents are as follows. I hated Guild Wars, and really am not interested in the second one. If however I find TSW lacking in two months... I really don't care because I have to go back to grad school anyway which is more of a time sink than any mmo, especially in the sciences (read as "research"). So I think I'll stick with TSW, till all my time is eaten up. I agree with a lot of the posters who said “why not play both,” you’re not really losing out on anything. TSW and GW2 are very different games, why not enjoy both?
Why does everyone love GW2 so much, everything else has to suck? I actually bought GW2 early, played in the beta..it was fine..cool. But I think TSW stands on it's own and has somehting different to offer. Just my "OP" opinion..
I repeat this statement!
The forums on this site all seem to be about "winning". One game has to be better than all the others, there can be only one! PFFFT. Hell with that, why do so many people get so offended or riled up if someone likes something else? God forbid someone actually play *Gasp* MORE THAN ONE GAME!?
I'm personally not going to be playing TSW, there's some stuff in there that just doesn't grab me. I've got good friends playing it tho and they seem to dig it, rather they will be playing it and have enjoyed their beta time. I'm not going to stop being their friend because they're playing a game that I'm not. Get over it, if you don't like something, fine. It didn't hurt you, your family, your feelings and it's not hurting the game YOU want to play.
My 2 cents are as follows. I hated Guild Wars, and really am not interested in the second one. If however I find TSW lacking in two months... I really don't care because I have to go back to grad school anyway which is more of a time sink than any mmo, especially in the sciences (read as "research"). So I think I'll stick with TSW, till all my time is eaten up. I agree with a lot of the posters who said “why not play both,” you’re not really losing out on anything. TSW and GW2 are very different games, why not enjoy both?
Now the voice of Wisdom speaks here. Personally I'd like to have 5-6 good Western MMOs on the market, including TSW and GW2 just to have some choices after long years of pure garbage. OP just hates TSW and been bashing it for weeks. Champions of a certain MMO like OP cannot accept the idea of many MMOs but he's entitled to his own opinion.
I am very pleased I can be playin gboth games within two months. Win Win for me Now...If I can just take off work for a few days to play GW2..hmmm that or I use my sick days lol.
Well imo the things thst are good about tsw are not the kind of things that lead to replayabillty. Infact they got rid of reasons to keep playing or start over. Alt's have been made obsolete, the content is more intriguing than entertaining and the combat is clunky and uninspired. The questing is quite interesting, solving the puzzles and discovering the secret, but once you know what to do I will be more of a chore and if you do find quest you enjoy enough to repeat there put on a lengthy cool down so you can't repeat them. If tsw was a console game it would be on my gamefly list not my buy list.
The launch timing has no factor in choosing to play either game. Both games can be played equally if one so chose to.
Your post has nothing to do with the topic.
Truth and sorry for that. To speak on topic I think they picked the best time they could have. They will be able to take advantage of the summer dry spell and also those who are waiting for gw2 and willing to play something a bit different for the time being.
Personally, I get a kick out of interviews with game developers that admit they're hooked on someone else's title, and that they play that other title in their off-time. It shows a great deal of contructive, well-intended humility and respect, and also shows that they have passion for what they are doing if they're so inspired by other games that it's what drives them to strive for excellence.
I kind of get that vibe from GW2 and TSW, despite whatever hang-ups people have with Age of Conan. I personally think TSW is in good shape, ready enough for its impending launch in any case.
I am so trying to understand if most of you who are making these remarks on both games even played the betas for them. First and formost. Most of you should not and i repeat should not even invest in buying TSW it will be free very soon in my opinion. While playing beta they showed me that Funcom does not expect this game to stay P2P at all for long period. Why do i say this? Well for any gamer who has played alot of MMOs they can tell you that F2P games always make their biggest money by the Item Store. Funcom has built a store within this game at the beginning which only leads to the fact that they would not have a problem turning this game from P2P to F2P faster than it took them to do the same to Age of Conan. Turning a game from P2P to F2P cost money and if they have to take the servers down then they will loose money. Seriously though I believe that anyone who put their money and back up Funcom at this time will only get screwed out of the money they invested. Guys you do have to remember that also Funcom have made this game spec strict. Their overall system spec is harsh on most computers and very limited. If you don't believe me look at the specs for AoC and compare it to TSW. A game that allows any people to play and only have two servers up is not a game i would even invest my money in and that is the amount TSW had just a few days ago. Anyone who has played AoC and played TSW would know one of Funcom biggest mistakes, they like to pull people in for the scenery. Scenery is not what keep player, it is something that brings players but not keep them there.
As for GW2 i played this and i must admit they did one hellva job with this game. Not only do players have their own story but they also have WvW, regular pvp, and when i played the event yesterday it was Corrupted players (ones who get killed by a player who gotten corrupted) vs uncorrupted players. And I haven't even touched on the fact that you don't have to pick up annoying quest you just run to the area and a quest will open up. I seriously doubt that anyone will be able to do all that this game has to offer. Besides that the scenery for this game is very crisp even on low settings (while beta testing this game on my laptop instead of my desktop) I noticed this game still looked very nice on low settings and runs very good. Besides that NCSoft did not change their model for GW series. The game in itself has always been B2P.
Well i must say after talking about those two i will say this even if GW2 don't rip people from playing TSW we do have the next game that will come up ( and pardon me for saying this but Neverwinter will be releasing soon too guys). And any one who has played a Perfect World game knows this company does not play when it comes to putting out games that are fun. And they are using STO (Cryptic) engine for this game which looks great.
All in all i will just like to close by saying that I do believe that the TSW is at a Bad Launch and it is probably not due to any other games. It most likely from the fact that Funcom is in charge of this game. Funcom + MMO= bad deal.
Well GW2 released by the end of summer sooo.... nothing left to do (when at home) except playing TSW... So its pretty much a good timing Will keep me busy for 2 month waiting for GW2
Id say the launch timing is bad, but not because of GW2, but because the game simply isnt ready yet. They need to go fix the combat animations and amaze players from the start, not use the mediocre animations that they have right now.
My 2 cents are as follows. I hated Guild Wars, and really am not interested in the second one. If however I find TSW lacking in two months... I really don't care because I have to go back to grad school anyway which is more of a time sink than any mmo, especially in the sciences (read as "research"). So I think I'll stick with TSW, till all my time is eaten up. I agree with a lot of the posters who said “why not play both,” you’re not really losing out on anything. TSW and GW2 are very different games, why not enjoy both?
Now the voice of Wisdom speaks here. Personally I'd like to have 5-6 good Western MMOs on the market, including TSW and GW2 just to have some choices after long years of pure garbage. OP just hates TSW and been bashing it for weeks. Champions of a certain MMO like OP cannot accept the idea of many MMOs but he's entitled to his own opinion.
What MMO do I champion? the only MMO I played in the last month was TSW in open and closed beta, hence my posting. I'm not even sure I will pick up GW2. The reason for the topic was I noticed GW2 is popular, via forums and preorder sales, so I mention it as a threat.
Now if a game came out with ninja gaiden gameplay for melee and like call of duty game play for ranged mages and archers or even guns. Then it had like graphics of crysis 2 on PC. It had a cool setting like fallout 2, or demon souls, or some strange planet we crashed on after earth blew up, with lots of quest and options like dues ex 1 for PvE. With PvP like counter strike, unreal tourny, starcraft, tekken, and other good games, but was a good and fun so could replay it like those. Then raiding would be brutally hard or easy per the guild's choice and well done with as many things to kill as everquest 1.
I had intended to get GW2 for the W v W v W pvp, but, since the PVP in TSW looks better, more people and more combat options etc, i pretty much ruled out the whole GW2 thing, though not because of the cost as whether a game is P2P or B2P was never going to be a factor that would affect whether or not to buy either game, though despite the fact i've ruled out buying GW2 i also decided not to buy TSW initially - im half expecting launch wobbles to be honest, so if everything is okay a month or 2 after launch, and the whole subs thing is resolved in a way that i can accept, then i'll be buying TSW, but not GW2, i don't have time to mess around with different games, so it was always going to be one or the other, oddly enough the one thing that ended up being the deciding factor, in addition to the 'larger scale' pvp combat in TSW than GW2, was that TSW is a more modern setting, fantasy orientated games, swords and sorcery etc, are getting a bit boring, not the games themselves being boring, just the whole fantasy thing itself being less of a draw than it used to be. Then there was the whole PVE thing, in GW2 its pretty much the same as all the others, its just how its 'applied' thats a bit different, just not different enough, which was why for me at least, the pve side of GW2 was always going to be a negative aspect to the game, the draw in GW2 was always the W v W v W pvp, and once that was superceded by another game, there was no longer a reason to buy GW2, TSW though promises to have PVE aspects that are actually interesting, challenging and maybe a reason to play the game without consideration of the PVP aspects, which for me meant that TSW is a more 'rounded' game than GW2.. but its horses for courses, so i don't really expect that many others to choose games in the same way i do, or for the same/similar reasons..
There's nothing wrong with it's timing. The only other game to have released recently is TOR and the shininess hasdulled to rust on that one for most, TSW has the summer to gather a starting fanbase without any competition from MMO's and very little from the single player market. If anything GW2 has picked the worst time of the two, slap bang when people go back to school and right at the start of the blockbuster single player games release season.
No i won't be playing TSW and yes i will be GW2, neither has anything to do with timing though.
Well said. I saw a lot of overall game improvements from BWEs 1 & 2 to BWE 4. I still don't think it's ready for release as a subcription MMO but a large amount of CB testers are pleased with the game, saying that the latest build is much more polished and deeper than the builds that OB testers experienced. I feel that when CB testers have a largely unsatisfying experience then a game it tends to be anything but ready for release. That also means that people like me are most likely wrong about TSW's readiness.
So yeah, if the CB testers are to be believed then the timing is good because the game is complete. And for the reasons Kabaal noted, their timing is also good when it comes to the release date.
I am so trying to understand if most of you who are making these remarks on both games even played the betas for them. First and formost. Most of you should not and i repeat should not even invest in buying TSW it will be free very soon in my opinion. While playing beta they showed me that Funcom does not expect this game to stay P2P at all for long period. Why do i say this? Well for any gamer who has played alot of MMOs they can tell you that F2P games always make their biggest money by the Item Store. Funcom has built a store within this game at the beginning which only leads to the fact that they would not have a problem turning this game from P2P to F2P faster than it took them to do the same to Age of Conan. Turning a game from P2P to F2P cost money and if they have to take the servers down then they will loose money. Seriously though I believe that anyone who put their money and back up Funcom at this time will only get screwed out of the money they invested. Guys you do have to remember that also Funcom have made this game spec strict. Their overall system spec is harsh on most computers and very limited. If you don't believe me look at the specs for AoC and compare it to TSW. A game that allows any people to play and only have two servers up is not a game i would even invest my money in and that is the amount TSW had just a few days ago. Anyone who has played AoC and played TSW would know one of Funcom biggest mistakes, they like to pull people in for the scenery. Scenery is not what keep player, it is something that brings players but not keep them there.
First: It does not cost them money to change from P2P to F2P, because they aren't changing the format of the game. Most games that you consider F2P, are not. They are just glorified trials. The F2P part is restricted access, and you still have to pay to get access to the full game play. AoC still has a subscription for those that want full access.
Second: How is the number of servers available in beta, in any way, related to the quality of the game? That is a ridiculous comment. Especially since TSW is using single-server technology. That wasn't two servers, it was two dimensions on the same server. Two dimensions, or twenty dimensions, they would still be running on the same server. Dimensions are just for convenience, and persistent PvP. They have nothing to do with server load.
I dont see how GW2 and TSW affect each other negatively.
Different setting, graphics, content focus, character progression, payment method and all around feel/style/gameplay.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
I don't think release dates are really that important when talking about GW2 and TSW for various reasons.
1) If TSW is a good game (it seems like it is to me), and if GW2 is a good game (I know it is), then both games should do well.
2) The whole one has sub the other doesn't thing
3) Both seem to have a lot to offer - the cool thing is that each one seems to offer something that's different from the other.
Honestly the reason I'm not going to play both is that TSW has a sub and I don't do subs. If it was B2P, I would definitely be playing it. There is room for both for sure.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
TSW shouldn't have any issues with GW2, GW2 is a fairly casual game with a good deal to offer in regards to PvP. Best part being that it's B2P, thus you aren't guilted into playing it because you paid a monthly fee. Personally I am picking up GW2 to enjoy something on the side when I am not raiding in SWTOR or doing anything with friends in it.
As for TSW I am fairly iffy about it, it will probably end up a niche MMO with a certain crowd that is into the theme. During the betas I was fairly unimpressed with the combat system as it felt like i just hammering away the same abilities like any other MMO. One thing that stood out though was that it distastefully reminded of Age of Conan for some reason though which wasn't all that great.
The thing that urked me though was that I had to put points into a tree that I had little to no use for just so I get better abilities for my damage spec (Shotgun). It essentially felt like a time sink to get better skills. The abilties were essentially the same as well in regards to damage for the support tree in shotgun as well, which was the one I needed to level. The hell would I need group abilities for when I am playing solo? Why can't I level up the group tree when I have the need to? Just things like that in the game that overall urked me to the point of saying no to it. Was pleasant change though to see something new and if they eventually improve the combat and skill system I'll consider trying it out again.
I piss on GW2. This is an over-hyped game for kids that is far too much WOW-like. Also the audience for the two games will be completely different.
Average ages:
GW2: 12 TSW: 30
=> TSW for me!
In the words of my abandoned SWTOR jedi shadow "have you lost your mind"? Everyone who plays video games know that every single 12-16 year old video gamer ONLY plays MA, 18+ rated vdeo games. Call of duty, age of conan, halo. Is every single one. TSW is rated MA or 18+? so there you go. In other words, guild wars 2 won't be cool for that age group.
Well the bad launch date works both ways like for example maybe someone from A-Net played TSW and said we better make some quick changes to make this game more fun or something along these lines. For example if a MMORPG isn't doing well they could delay the launch and try for a bigger launch to get more people to buy it, or they could launch early and try to get more money therefore competition with another company it really just depends.
I think that GW2, and TSW are two different games however, and I believe that TSW will end up in the future going completely Free 2 Play there is a chance of that look at funcom with Age OF Conan, and BloodLines champions, even AO which is a very old game they are all F2P, so my guess is that they are going to try going for subscription for now and down the road they will switch out to LifeTime subs, and then F2P, and Lifetime subs will get some type of bonus or something I have no clue.
The only acception is if TSW has a very unqiue story line, although I give TSW a thumbs up compared to Fallen Earth because I played FE for months and G1 just didn't know what they are doing.
I believe though that GW2 will be more around PVP compared to TSW.
If TSW eneds up being similar to DreamFall in a lot of ways then it could actually do well, DreamFall was actually a decent game for a singleplayer RPG it is too bad there wasn't a part 2 to the game. * I know that the Intro movei to TSW was actually pretty damn good in my opinion I hope that the game itself has more of a main story I didn't play that much in beta to find out, but some MMORPG's after awhile it starts out with a decent story and like goes into a bunch of side quests which completely after hours of seeing not cutscene or epic RP makes you feel like you are just there to kill things.
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Secret World July.
Guild Wars 2 August?
This ist he best summer of MMORPGs to-date. For me.
I'm extremely happy. They're both fantastic games I look forward to wasting my life inside of them.
I repeat this statement!
The forums on this site all seem to be about "winning". One game has to be better than all the others, there can be only one! PFFFT. Hell with that, why do so many people get so offended or riled up if someone likes something else? God forbid someone actually play *Gasp* MORE THAN ONE GAME!?
I'm personally not going to be playing TSW, there's some stuff in there that just doesn't grab me. I've got good friends playing it tho and they seem to dig it, rather they will be playing it and have enjoyed their beta time. I'm not going to stop being their friend because they're playing a game that I'm not. Get over it, if you don't like something, fine. It didn't hurt you, your family, your feelings and it's not hurting the game YOU want to play.
Trolling is bad, mkay?
Now the voice of Wisdom speaks here. Personally I'd like to have 5-6 good Western MMOs on the market, including TSW and GW2 just to have some choices after long years of pure garbage. OP just hates TSW and been bashing it for weeks. Champions of a certain MMO like OP cannot accept the idea of many MMOs but he's entitled to his own opinion.
I am very pleased I can be playin gboth games within two months. Win Win for me
Now...If I can just take off work for a few days to play GW2..hmmm that or I use my sick days lol.
Truth and sorry for that. To speak on topic I think they picked the best time they could have. They will be able to take advantage of the summer dry spell and also those who are waiting for gw2 and willing to play something a bit different for the time being.
TSW is in better launch shape than GW2, so I don't think level of polish will be an issue.
It'll just be a matter of whichever game has more appealing gameplay.
Personally, I get a kick out of interviews with game developers that admit they're hooked on someone else's title, and that they play that other title in their off-time. It shows a great deal of contructive, well-intended humility and respect, and also shows that they have passion for what they are doing if they're so inspired by other games that it's what drives them to strive for excellence.
I kind of get that vibe from GW2 and TSW, despite whatever hang-ups people have with Age of Conan. I personally think TSW is in good shape, ready enough for its impending launch in any case.
I am so trying to understand if most of you who are making these remarks on both games even played the betas for them. First and formost. Most of you should not and i repeat should not even invest in buying TSW it will be free very soon in my opinion. While playing beta they showed me that Funcom does not expect this game to stay P2P at all for long period. Why do i say this? Well for any gamer who has played alot of MMOs they can tell you that F2P games always make their biggest money by the Item Store. Funcom has built a store within this game at the beginning which only leads to the fact that they would not have a problem turning this game from P2P to F2P faster than it took them to do the same to Age of Conan. Turning a game from P2P to F2P cost money and if they have to take the servers down then they will loose money. Seriously though I believe that anyone who put their money and back up Funcom at this time will only get screwed out of the money they invested. Guys you do have to remember that also Funcom have made this game spec strict. Their overall system spec is harsh on most computers and very limited. If you don't believe me look at the specs for AoC and compare it to TSW. A game that allows any people to play and only have two servers up is not a game i would even invest my money in and that is the amount TSW had just a few days ago. Anyone who has played AoC and played TSW would know one of Funcom biggest mistakes, they like to pull people in for the scenery. Scenery is not what keep player, it is something that brings players but not keep them there.
As for GW2 i played this and i must admit they did one hellva job with this game. Not only do players have their own story but they also have WvW, regular pvp, and when i played the event yesterday it was Corrupted players (ones who get killed by a player who gotten corrupted) vs uncorrupted players. And I haven't even touched on the fact that you don't have to pick up annoying quest you just run to the area and a quest will open up. I seriously doubt that anyone will be able to do all that this game has to offer. Besides that the scenery for this game is very crisp even on low settings (while beta testing this game on my laptop instead of my desktop) I noticed this game still looked very nice on low settings and runs very good. Besides that NCSoft did not change their model for GW series. The game in itself has always been B2P.
Well i must say after talking about those two i will say this even if GW2 don't rip people from playing TSW we do have the next game that will come up ( and pardon me for saying this but Neverwinter will be releasing soon too guys). And any one who has played a Perfect World game knows this company does not play when it comes to putting out games that are fun. And they are using STO (Cryptic) engine for this game which looks great.
All in all i will just like to close by saying that I do believe that the TSW is at a Bad Launch and it is probably not due to any other games. It most likely from the fact that Funcom is in charge of this game. Funcom + MMO= bad deal.
I don't think so.
GW2 doesn't effect everyone. Me for example.
Well GW2 released by the end of summer sooo.... nothing left to do (when at home) except playing TSW... So its pretty much a good timing
Will keep me busy for 2 month waiting for GW2
Id say the launch timing is bad, but not because of GW2, but because the game simply isnt ready yet. They need to go fix the combat animations and amaze players from the start, not use the mediocre animations that they have right now.
What MMO do I champion? the only MMO I played in the last month was TSW in open and closed beta, hence my posting. I'm not even sure I will pick up GW2. The reason for the topic was I noticed GW2 is popular, via forums and preorder sales, so I mention it as a threat.
Now if a game came out with ninja gaiden gameplay for melee and like call of duty game play for ranged mages and archers or even guns. Then it had like graphics of crysis 2 on PC. It had a cool setting like fallout 2, or demon souls, or some strange planet we crashed on after earth blew up, with lots of quest and options like dues ex 1 for PvE. With PvP like counter strike, unreal tourny, starcraft, tekken, and other good games, but was a good and fun so could replay it like those. Then raiding would be brutally hard or easy per the guild's choice and well done with as many things to kill as everquest 1.
That is the only MMO I would champion.
I had intended to get GW2 for the W v W v W pvp, but, since the PVP in TSW looks better, more people and more combat options etc, i pretty much ruled out the whole GW2 thing, though not because of the cost as whether a game is P2P or B2P was never going to be a factor that would affect whether or not to buy either game, though despite the fact i've ruled out buying GW2 i also decided not to buy TSW initially - im half expecting launch wobbles to be honest, so if everything is okay a month or 2 after launch, and the whole subs thing is resolved in a way that i can accept, then i'll be buying TSW, but not GW2, i don't have time to mess around with different games, so it was always going to be one or the other, oddly enough the one thing that ended up being the deciding factor, in addition to the 'larger scale' pvp combat in TSW than GW2, was that TSW is a more modern setting, fantasy orientated games, swords and sorcery etc, are getting a bit boring, not the games themselves being boring, just the whole fantasy thing itself being less of a draw than it used to be. Then there was the whole PVE thing, in GW2 its pretty much the same as all the others, its just how its 'applied' thats a bit different, just not different enough, which was why for me at least, the pve side of GW2 was always going to be a negative aspect to the game, the draw in GW2 was always the W v W v W pvp, and once that was superceded by another game, there was no longer a reason to buy GW2, TSW though promises to have PVE aspects that are actually interesting, challenging and maybe a reason to play the game without consideration of the PVP aspects, which for me meant that TSW is a more 'rounded' game than GW2.. but its horses for courses, so i don't really expect that many others to choose games in the same way i do, or for the same/similar reasons..
Well said. I saw a lot of overall game improvements from BWEs 1 & 2 to BWE 4. I still don't think it's ready for release as a subcription MMO but a large amount of CB testers are pleased with the game, saying that the latest build is much more polished and deeper than the builds that OB testers experienced. I feel that when CB testers have a largely unsatisfying experience then a game it tends to be anything but ready for release. That also means that people like me are most likely wrong about TSW's readiness.
So yeah, if the CB testers are to be believed then the timing is good because the game is complete. And for the reasons Kabaal noted, their timing is also good when it comes to the release date.
First: It does not cost them money to change from P2P to F2P, because they aren't changing the format of the game. Most games that you consider F2P, are not. They are just glorified trials. The F2P part is restricted access, and you still have to pay to get access to the full game play. AoC still has a subscription for those that want full access.
Second: How is the number of servers available in beta, in any way, related to the quality of the game? That is a ridiculous comment. Especially since TSW is using single-server technology. That wasn't two servers, it was two dimensions on the same server. Two dimensions, or twenty dimensions, they would still be running on the same server. Dimensions are just for convenience, and persistent PvP. They have nothing to do with server load.
I dont see how GW2 and TSW affect each other negatively.
Different setting, graphics, content focus, character progression, payment method and all around feel/style/gameplay.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Terrible release timing. Couldn't be worse really.
I don't think release dates are really that important when talking about GW2 and TSW for various reasons.
1) If TSW is a good game (it seems like it is to me), and if GW2 is a good game (I know it is), then both games should do well.
2) The whole one has sub the other doesn't thing
3) Both seem to have a lot to offer - the cool thing is that each one seems to offer something that's different from the other.
Honestly the reason I'm not going to play both is that TSW has a sub and I don't do subs. If it was B2P, I would definitely be playing it. There is room for both for sure.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
I piss on GW2. This is an over-hyped game for kids that is far too much WOW-like. Also the audience for the two games will be completely different.
Average ages:
GW2: 12 TSW: 30
=> TSW for me!
TSW shouldn't have any issues with GW2, GW2 is a fairly casual game with a good deal to offer in regards to PvP. Best part being that it's B2P, thus you aren't guilted into playing it because you paid a monthly fee. Personally I am picking up GW2 to enjoy something on the side when I am not raiding in SWTOR or doing anything with friends in it.
As for TSW I am fairly iffy about it, it will probably end up a niche MMO with a certain crowd that is into the theme. During the betas I was fairly unimpressed with the combat system as it felt like i just hammering away the same abilities like any other MMO. One thing that stood out though was that it distastefully reminded of Age of Conan for some reason though which wasn't all that great.
The thing that urked me though was that I had to put points into a tree that I had little to no use for just so I get better abilities for my damage spec (Shotgun). It essentially felt like a time sink to get better skills. The abilties were essentially the same as well in regards to damage for the support tree in shotgun as well, which was the one I needed to level. The hell would I need group abilities for when I am playing solo? Why can't I level up the group tree when I have the need to? Just things like that in the game that overall urked me to the point of saying no to it. Was pleasant change though to see something new and if they eventually improve the combat and skill system I'll consider trying it out again.
I will play both. In the end.. maybe one or none of them. It's as simple as that. I love TSW right now though. Played way too much on CB servers.
In the words of my abandoned SWTOR jedi shadow "have you lost your mind"? Everyone who plays video games know that every single 12-16 year old video gamer ONLY plays MA, 18+ rated vdeo games. Call of duty, age of conan, halo. Is every single one. TSW is rated MA or 18+? so there you go. In other words, guild wars 2 won't be cool for that age group.
There was a study of MMO demographics and age 30 was the average age of warcraft players,the T for teen or 12+ rating must keep the adolescents away. http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/12/22/the-wow-factor-page-2/
Well the bad launch date works both ways like for example maybe someone from A-Net played TSW and said we better make some quick changes to make this game more fun or something along these lines. For example if a MMORPG isn't doing well they could delay the launch and try for a bigger launch to get more people to buy it, or they could launch early and try to get more money therefore competition with another company it really just depends.
I think that GW2, and TSW are two different games however, and I believe that TSW will end up in the future going completely Free 2 Play there is a chance of that look at funcom with Age OF Conan, and BloodLines champions, even AO which is a very old game they are all F2P, so my guess is that they are going to try going for subscription for now and down the road they will switch out to LifeTime subs, and then F2P, and Lifetime subs will get some type of bonus or something I have no clue.
The only acception is if TSW has a very unqiue story line, although I give TSW a thumbs up compared to Fallen Earth because I played FE for months and G1 just didn't know what they are doing.
I believe though that GW2 will be more around PVP compared to TSW.
If TSW eneds up being similar to DreamFall in a lot of ways then it could actually do well, DreamFall was actually a decent game for a singleplayer RPG it is too bad there wasn't a part 2 to the game. * I know that the Intro movei to TSW was actually pretty damn good in my opinion I hope that the game itself has more of a main story I didn't play that much in beta to find out, but some MMORPG's after awhile it starts out with a decent story and like goes into a bunch of side quests which completely after hours of seeing not cutscene or epic RP makes you feel like you are just there to kill things.