Ignoring it's "current" shortcomings I can easily say that out of likely 20+ mmo's I have tried over 13 years that this easily has the best overall quest system when it comes to telling story, setting mood and forcing a player to actually put some though into world they play in.
Tough to say, not counting the Investigation MIssions I would say TSW and GW2 are equal to each other. I like not always having to run back to the mission giver and just getting a mail or in TSW's case, a cellphone text. With the Investigation Missions I can't really say it's the best since I don't know any other MMO that has something like this but I do enjoy doing them immensely. They offer a unique challenge and I would hope future MMO titles take lessons from this game.
You must be seriously joking, right? TSW with totally static missions, Kill-10-Rats stuff and some investigation missions thrown in the middle, is equal to GW2's fully dynamic events world?
I'm sorry, but I see a lot of fanboys here. I've been in TSW beta since April, and honestly I was really disappointed. Not that I expected something truly great from Funcom, but anyway, I will even go as far as saying that the concept and overall idea of secret societies in a contemporary dark fantasy world is quite more engaging than Guild Wars 2, in theory.
That is why I really wanted to like this game. But in the execution, there is no contest, from the character creation all the way through combat, dynamic world (or absence thereof in TSW), PvP and overall polish. They are not even in the same league.
I probably had more fun in TERA's beta, and I hate the Asian subgenre usually.
Not quite. They have stated in their 'state of the game update' yesterday that they are releasing new missions in every zone on a monthly basis.
Me:"I am going to make the best mmo that is going to kill WoW", yep .....
When we see the monthly content coming every month for 6-8 months we can say they delivered.
About your WoW comment. TSW fans don't think it can compete with WoW. TSW is a mature game, not for kids. It's limiting itself right there based on its target audience. This also means it can't compete in large subscriber base because it's not a game everyone can play.
Now about your I'll believe it when I see it part.
Your statement was already predicted by me in another thread about what the haters will say about the State of the Game post.
I'll tell you what. Go back and read what he wrote again and what he wrote after that in the official forum thread in General. They've been holding content back to advance the storyline monthly. That's how they can drop cutscenes and the like. They have content months out already nearly or fully done. This is their way of justifying the monthly sub.
Yeah just like the cc was going to have so many more options and the animations were only beta placeholders but both ended up being what we got at launch. I will take these promises with a grain of salt though I do hope they deliver....
Actually they did improve the CC and animations significantly with patch 0.9 It just wasn't enough for some people *shrug*
Personally, I'm still waiting on that new CC coming in August. The animations for the most part have improved greatly from before.
TSW's questing is better then most MMO's however it still doesn't come close to GW2's dynamic quests. Aside from the dynamic nature of GW2's quests which make you feel that you are simply exploring the world "while things happen around you" instead of "finding and finishing questlines" the most impressive thing about GW2's quests and something I sorely miss in TSW is the fact that GW2 really stimulates you to play together, far more then TSW ever does. In GW2 at an early stage I am already raiding giant beasts and monsters together with tons of other players, in TSW I still spend most of my time soloing mobs and doing chores just like in other games.
That being said the exploration missions are certainly a nice innovation and if GW2 wasn't around this game would certainly be the best when it comes to questing. My biggest gripe with TSW is certainly not the quests, it is the combat which in my opinion prevents TSW from being more then an "in between" MMO.
Not quite. They have stated in their 'state of the game update' yesterday that they are releasing new missions in every zone on a monthly basis.
Me:"I am going to make the best mmo that is going to kill WoW", yep .....
When we see the monthly content coming every month for 6-8 months we can say they delivered.
About your WoW comment. TSW fans don't think it can compete with WoW. TSW is a mature game, not for kids. It's limiting itself right there based on its target audience. This also means it can't compete in large subscriber base because it's not a game everyone can play.
Now about your I'll believe it when I see it part.
Your statement was already predicted by me in another thread about what the haters will say about the State of the Game post.
I'll tell you what. Go back and read what he wrote again and what he wrote after that in the official forum thread in General. They've been holding content back to advance the storyline monthly. That's how they can drop cutscenes and the like. They have content months out already nearly or fully done. This is their way of justifying the monthly sub.
Red, You don't say ..... /facepalm
Green, What a great developer, not given you the full product that you payed for.
Anyone who says its not, is just being cynical and probably dislikes the game for .
Or they see it for what it is and that it's the same old collect 10 rats crap. While they are intresting but it really is a repeat of the same old quests that have been done over 100 times. They provide an intresting twist with investigations but all in all not the greatest questing experiance. in fact found it rather boring towards the end of Kingsound as it became a "been there, done that" kind of thing and it closed off the player to everyone else.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
Not quite. They have stated in their 'state of the game update' yesterday that they are releasing new missions in every zone on a monthly basis.
Me:"I am going to make the best mmo that is going to kill WoW", yep .....
When we see the monthly content coming every month for 6-8 months we can say they delivered.
About your WoW comment. TSW fans don't think it can compete with WoW. TSW is a mature game, not for kids. It's limiting itself right there based on its target audience. This also means it can't compete in large subscriber base because it's not a game everyone can play.
Now about your I'll believe it when I see it part.
Your statement was already predicted by me in another thread about what the haters will say about the State of the Game post.
I'll tell you what. Go back and read what he wrote again and what he wrote after that in the official forum thread in General. They've been holding content back to advance the storyline monthly. That's how they can drop cutscenes and the like. They have content months out already nearly or fully done. This is their way of justifying the monthly sub.
Red, You don't say ..... /facepalm
Green, What a great developer, not given you the full product that you payed for.
hmm.... well actually its good to hold back.... it creates a better orgasm in the end in this case we are talking about games.. but if you think about it.... no girl wants you to just stick it in and start plowing without any sort of intimacy and fore-play. To hold back a bit works to your advantage, giving you the versatility necessary to give your mate the ultimate orgas..... oh wait, I am talking to a teen who doesnt really understand... nevermind..... move along youngling, go back to killing x and turning in y
Not quite. They have stated in their 'state of the game update' yesterday that they are releasing new missions in every zone on a monthly basis.
Me:"I am going to make the best mmo that is going to kill WoW", yep .....
When we see the monthly content coming every month for 6-8 months we can say they delivered.
About your WoW comment. TSW fans don't think it can compete with WoW. TSW is a mature game, not for kids. It's limiting itself right there based on its target audience. This also means it can't compete in large subscriber base because it's not a game everyone can play.
Now about your I'll believe it when I see it part.
Your statement was already predicted by me in another thread about what the haters will say about the State of the Game post.
I'll tell you what. Go back and read what he wrote again and what he wrote after that in the official forum thread in General. They've been holding content back to advance the storyline monthly. That's how they can drop cutscenes and the like. They have content months out already nearly or fully done. This is their way of justifying the monthly sub.
Red, You don't say ..... /facepalm
Green, What a great developer, not given you the full product that you payed for.
hmm.... well actually its good to hold back.... it creates a better orgasm in the end in this case we are talking about games.. but if you think about it.... no girl wants you to just stick it in and start plowing without any sort of intimacy and fore-play. To hold back a bit works to your advantage, giving you the versatility necessary to give your mate the ultimate orgas..... oh wait, I am talking to a teen who doesnt really understand... nevermind..... move along youngling, go back to killing x and turning in y
How funny you say something like that.
1. I don't play mmo's
2. Im 18 years old, you think people in my age are stupid, go take a IQ test, i know it's not going to be higher than me but try take one.
Anyone who says its not, is just being cynical and probably dislikes the game for .
Or they see it for what it is and that it's the same old collect 10 rats crap. While they are intresting but it really is a repeat of the same old quests that have been done over 100 times. They provide an intresting twist with investigations but all in all not the greatest questing experiance. in fact found it rather boring towards the end of Kingsound as it became a "been there, done that" kind of thing and it closed off the player to everyone else.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
Anyone who says its not, is just being cynical and probably dislikes the game for .
Or they see it for what it is and that it's the same old collect 10 rats crap. While they are intresting but it really is a repeat of the same old quests that have been done over 100 times. They provide an intresting twist with investigations but all in all not the greatest questing experiance. in fact found it rather boring towards the end of Kingsound as it became a "been there, done that" kind of thing and it closed off the player to everyone else.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
lol ok. good representation of the MMO population and what it wants... absolutely fucking sad.
I don't think it is the best. I don't think it is bad, but it isn't the best. I liked the investigation quests. Those they did right. All quests should be like that. Less hand holding. But the rest of the quests are all "Go to the blue circle, kill x of these, collect y off of z, click on glowy object A B and C, or deliver package to random NPC D"
FC did a little better job with the quests Text than some other games have. They were at least worth reading. But for the most part they were still all "Kill 10 Rats" quests.
Overall, I think they are about equall with the rest of the MMO marketplace.
Until someone finds a way to have multiple paths to the objective, all of which require a different sub set of skills to achive, but are all also equally viable, then quests wont be good by my definition.
Anyone who says its not, is just being cynical and probably dislikes the game for .
Or they see it for what it is and that it's the same old collect 10 rats crap. While they are intresting but it really is a repeat of the same old quests that have been done over 100 times. They provide an intresting twist with investigations but all in all not the greatest questing experiance. in fact found it rather boring towards the end of Kingsound as it became a "been there, done that" kind of thing and it closed off the player to everyone else.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
lol ok. good representation of the MMO population and what it wants... absolutely fucking sad.
Why is it sad for somone to want more than one way to complete a goal?
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
.. lmao
lol ok. good representation of the MMO population and what it wants... absolutely fucking sad.
Yes that is correct, people wan't choice, they don't want to do be forced to do one thing.
Anyone who says its not, is just being cynical and probably dislikes the game for .
Or they see it for what it is and that it's the same old collect 10 rats crap. While they are intresting but it really is a repeat of the same old quests that have been done over 100 times. They provide an intresting twist with investigations but all in all not the greatest questing experiance. in fact found it rather boring towards the end of Kingsound as it became a "been there, done that" kind of thing and it closed off the player to everyone else.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
lol ok. good representation of the MMO population and what it wants... absolutely fucking sad.
Onlything sad is your attitude. You could have just killed the bandits and pretended they were zombies. lol....
Comparing to other mmorpgs, yes it's the best system quite easily imo since for the first time I feel like it is different at all. Sure there's the basic kill missions, they have to be there, but even in those quests usually are steps where you do something else too. Investigation and the sneaking missions are particularly fun for variety.
Also the questing structure is fun where you are not supposed to take a shopping list of quests, but to focus on few and stumble on new ones while/after doing them.
I'm not very satisfied with the combat system, it'll do for now at least, the hotbar should have at least 1 more active and passive imo, and the animations, effects, visuals, all should be improved upon, having said that, if the game also had basic kill 10 pigs quests like most of mmorpgs, I would have already quit TSW. That's why I quit TERA very swiftly, that's why I quit RIFT back then, I cant take the same gameplay with the same quests with the same questing structure anymore, ESPECIALLY if it's a fairy-fantasy setting. The questing system is fun and makes the game feel different along with the setting and char building.
Dungeons & Dragons Online beats it and every other game easily.
I wondered if someone would bring that up. Not my type of game but from what I saw of it and heard from others who went deeper into it, DDO has these type quests already. Puzzles and things where you have to think like everyone is saying about TSW including traps, etc. But I guess folks just dismissed and forgot about it or something wishing to claim that the game they're enjoying has the best of this and that. Folks need to realize most of everything has been done before somewhere even if not a triple A mmo. It's probably out there somewhere.
In the end it is all subjective. Like the couple of posters saying yes, and that it is superior to GW2. That's their opinion. Not fact. Same goes for me as I found TSW boring personally and enjoyed GW2 much more. That is my opinion and not a fact. Just because one feels it a way doesn't make it some actual true statement so not sure why some wish to act as if their feelings are the way all should feel. If folks think TSW is great and love it then more power to them. Keep on enjoying it. But kind of pointless trying to shove your opinion down our throats as if to say 'We're right and you're wrong!' TERA was the same way when it released and well...a month later...nada.
For me yes.. its some of the best fun i have had questing in an MMORPG..
I am sure its not for everyone tho same with any game.. i mean GW2 totally bore the hell out of me and i really have no idea how its so popular.. but then again i thought the same about wow..
TSW has the best questing of any game since Asheron's Call. My favorites have been "Gravity", "The Cost of Magic", and "The Castle". Love me some Metal Gear Solid in my MMO.
TSW has one of the worst made questing system in a mmo, it might be fun be who cares, you can't repeat the "fun" stuff more than ones and if you make alt's you will do the same quest over and over again.
The questing system probably isn't the best, but the quests might be among the best of any MMO released to date. I haven't seen many investigation missions in MMO's, only in SPG's. I'd expect the GW2 system to be superior to the one in TSW however. If the "quests" will be better rmains to be seen.
I voted yes even if it's only half a yes, well maybe, remains to be seen.
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Ignoring it's "current" shortcomings I can easily say that out of likely 20+ mmo's I have tried over 13 years that this easily has the best overall quest system when it comes to telling story, setting mood and forcing a player to actually put some though into world they play in.
You stay sassy!
You must be seriously joking, right? TSW with totally static missions, Kill-10-Rats stuff and some investigation missions thrown in the middle, is equal to GW2's fully dynamic events world?
I'm sorry, but I see a lot of fanboys here. I've been in TSW beta since April, and honestly I was really disappointed. Not that I expected something truly great from Funcom, but anyway, I will even go as far as saying that the concept and overall idea of secret societies in a contemporary dark fantasy world is quite more engaging than Guild Wars 2, in theory.
That is why I really wanted to like this game. But in the execution, there is no contest, from the character creation all the way through combat, dynamic world (or absence thereof in TSW), PvP and overall polish. They are not even in the same league.
I probably had more fun in TERA's beta, and I hate the Asian subgenre usually.
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About your WoW comment. TSW fans don't think it can compete with WoW. TSW is a mature game, not for kids. It's limiting itself right there based on its target audience. This also means it can't compete in large subscriber base because it's not a game everyone can play.
Now about your I'll believe it when I see it part.
Your statement was already predicted by me in another thread about what the haters will say about the State of the Game post.
I'll tell you what. Go back and read what he wrote again and what he wrote after that in the official forum thread in General. They've been holding content back to advance the storyline monthly. That's how they can drop cutscenes and the like. They have content months out already nearly or fully done. This is their way of justifying the monthly sub.
Actually they did improve the CC and animations significantly with patch 0.9 It just wasn't enough for some people *shrug*
Personally, I'm still waiting on that new CC coming in August. The animations for the most part have improved greatly from before.
TSW's questing is better then most MMO's however it still doesn't come close to GW2's dynamic quests. Aside from the dynamic nature of GW2's quests which make you feel that you are simply exploring the world "while things happen around you" instead of "finding and finishing questlines" the most impressive thing about GW2's quests and something I sorely miss in TSW is the fact that GW2 really stimulates you to play together, far more then TSW ever does. In GW2 at an early stage I am already raiding giant beasts and monsters together with tons of other players, in TSW I still spend most of my time soloing mobs and doing chores just like in other games.
That being said the exploration missions are certainly a nice innovation and if GW2 wasn't around this game would certainly be the best when it comes to questing. My biggest gripe with TSW is certainly not the quests, it is the combat which in my opinion prevents TSW from being more then an "in between" MMO.
Might as well enjoy it before the f2p community comes in when it goes f2p. Community has been good so far.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Red, You don't say ..... /facepalm
Green, What a great developer, not given you the full product that you payed for.
so watering plants for hearts much like GW2 is your cup of tea? ridiculous..... lmao
hmm.... well actually its good to hold back.... it creates a better orgasm in the end
in this case we are talking about games.. but if you think about it.... no girl wants you to just stick it in and start plowing without any sort of intimacy and fore-play. To hold back a bit works to your advantage, giving you the versatility necessary to give your mate the ultimate orgas..... oh wait, I am talking to a teen who doesnt really understand... nevermind..... move along youngling, go back to killing x and turning in y
How funny you say something like that.
1. I don't play mmo's
2. Im 18 years old, you think people in my age are stupid, go take a IQ test, i know it's not going to be higher than me but try take one.
You DO NOT have to water those plants you can also feed cows, kill bandits, fight off worms, or put out fires in any combination you choose and your reffering to ONE quest which is practically the first one. If you water the plants they grow, if you feed the cows they follow you around with little hearts, If you put out the fires there well put out and dont light right back on fire for the next player to put out or end up bugged by the last player. The world responds to your actions in it. TSW could learn a thing or two IMO and vice versa...
Correct, the only reason i am typing here is that i can get better at english, im properly going to pick up GW2 but thats it.
lol ok. good representation of the MMO population and what it wants... absolutely fucking sad.
So, for the OP:
I don't think it is the best. I don't think it is bad, but it isn't the best. I liked the investigation quests. Those they did right. All quests should be like that. Less hand holding. But the rest of the quests are all "Go to the blue circle, kill x of these, collect y off of z, click on glowy object A B and C, or deliver package to random NPC D"
FC did a little better job with the quests Text than some other games have. They were at least worth reading. But for the most part they were still all "Kill 10 Rats" quests.
Overall, I think they are about equall with the rest of the MMO marketplace.
Until someone finds a way to have multiple paths to the objective, all of which require a different sub set of skills to achive, but are all also equally viable, then quests wont be good by my definition.
Why is it sad for somone to want more than one way to complete a goal?
Yes that is correct, people wan't choice, they don't want to do be forced to do one thing.
Onlything sad is your attitude. You could have just killed the bandits and pretended they were zombies. lol....
"Is TSW's questing the best for a MMO to date?"
Yes.
Comparing to other mmorpgs, yes it's the best system quite easily imo since for the first time I feel like it is different at all. Sure there's the basic kill missions, they have to be there, but even in those quests usually are steps where you do something else too. Investigation and the sneaking missions are particularly fun for variety.
Also the questing structure is fun where you are not supposed to take a shopping list of quests, but to focus on few and stumble on new ones while/after doing them.
I'm not very satisfied with the combat system, it'll do for now at least, the hotbar should have at least 1 more active and passive imo, and the animations, effects, visuals, all should be improved upon, having said that, if the game also had basic kill 10 pigs quests like most of mmorpgs, I would have already quit TSW. That's why I quit TERA very swiftly, that's why I quit RIFT back then, I cant take the same gameplay with the same quests with the same questing structure anymore, ESPECIALLY if it's a fairy-fantasy setting. The questing system is fun and makes the game feel different along with the setting and char building.
I wondered if someone would bring that up. Not my type of game but from what I saw of it and heard from others who went deeper into it, DDO has these type quests already. Puzzles and things where you have to think like everyone is saying about TSW including traps, etc. But I guess folks just dismissed and forgot about it or something wishing to claim that the game they're enjoying has the best of this and that. Folks need to realize most of everything has been done before somewhere even if not a triple A mmo. It's probably out there somewhere.
In the end it is all subjective. Like the couple of posters saying yes, and that it is superior to GW2. That's their opinion. Not fact. Same goes for me as I found TSW boring personally and enjoyed GW2 much more. That is my opinion and not a fact. Just because one feels it a way doesn't make it some actual true statement so not sure why some wish to act as if their feelings are the way all should feel. If folks think TSW is great and love it then more power to them. Keep on enjoying it. But kind of pointless trying to shove your opinion down our throats as if to say 'We're right and you're wrong!' TERA was the same way when it released and well...a month later...nada.
So just play what you enjoy and go at it.
For me yes.. its some of the best fun i have had questing in an MMORPG..
I am sure its not for everyone tho
same with any game.. i mean GW2 totally bore the hell out of me and i really have no idea how its so popular.. but then again i thought the same about wow..
TSW has the best questing of any game since Asheron's Call. My favorites have been "Gravity", "The Cost of Magic", and "The Castle". Love me some Metal Gear Solid in my MMO.
TSW has one of the worst made questing system in a mmo, it might be fun be who cares, you can't repeat the "fun" stuff more than ones and if you make alt's you will do the same quest over and over again.
The questing system probably isn't the best, but the quests might be among the best of any MMO released to date. I haven't seen many investigation missions in MMO's, only in SPG's. I'd expect the GW2 system to be superior to the one in TSW however. If the "quests" will be better rmains to be seen.
I voted yes even if it's only half a yes, well maybe, remains to be seen.