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I don't think GW2 will have any serious effects on any MMO's subscriberbase. Any time you question its longevity, GW2 fans are quick to remind you that GW2 is a game that doesn't force you to play for months on end. You can pick up and play any time you want. If you get bored with it, you can play another MMO for awhile until you feel like playing GW2 again. There's no subscription fees either, so there's no reason for players to cancel their already existing subs to free up money to pay for subs in GW2.
very true and i think over time personally the secret world is going to do well for longevity as with AOC having a hard time over the years funcom has to deliver. back on topic your comment earlier hits the nail perfectly, people here just hate swtor and anything with EA on it. This game is successful period , greatly no , widely not really but its still making money for the dev team and parent company. If the game has 14 out of 16 servers running at full during primetime then its doing tons better then any other game that has already released. Its just not the be all end all mmorpg that some of these people wanted to either praise or ridicule. Its funny there is like 3 or 4 servers in rift that make it barely above high population any time at all , yet you never once see these same guys bashing it . Or tera for that matter, so obviously its something on a personal level with EA and SWTOR.
and why should i care how many servers gw2 had?
you guyz really think gw2 gonna be the messiah of the mmo genre....stop dreaming and face reality already it wont
you totally missed the point of his post man..... he was being a smartass to me .
You shouldn't care, especially in beta or shortly after release. What is important is whether or not the game has 96 servers 6 months from now.
You should stop dreaming, reality is that GW2 had 96 servers in the second beta. Where do i say that GW2 is going to be the messiah of the mmo genre? [mod edit]
Will SWTORs shutdown be solid enough evidence for you or will you still be saying it is healthy after it is shutdown?
I am playing the game as much as possible now, before it shuts down. I should get everything I want to do to done, way before Dec 15th, unlike SWG. Unless they turn the game around and enhance it.
Voice overs and stuff really do not suit MMOs, as they are mainly for single player experiences. You may enjoy them but others you group with may want to space bar them, especially if done them loads of times before. Games with voice over have been around for ages - in single player games. However they could expand on games like GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, MAss Effect 3 etc. Single player games with multipleyar functionality, just made a bit more multiplayer in the multiplayer options..
LOTRO also has voice over and cinematics, but only on the main questlines. Side quests are mainly text based. I think LOTRO has the right balance of text and voice over. SWTOR is just too much of it
Lol, I quit a month or so ago... But it isn't gonna shut down, haha. Dramatic much? It will go f2p way before it would shut down. You guys crack me up.
Once you realize the majority are over-dramatic 20 year old college students and basement dwellers, it goes a lot more smoothly around here lol. There are still plenty of folks playing the game and having a ball.Heh, the same can be said about the dev staff at Bioware Austin.
Nepotism in game development will always keep the industry in the basement.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
yeah thats the main issue with this site and others the crowd they seem to attract are very jaded and angry. People nowdays just cannot be happy that people are still having fun in a game they dislike for various reasons. Its terrible now , you cant even post something positive about a game you really like without having 50 trolls attack you with comments unrelated to whatever you posted. I enjoy GW2 I enjoyed SWTOR when i played it for a short time . Devs poor their lives into trying to make as many people happy as possible but still go in the direction that the design goal 5 years from before was planned. People just need to realize that people making these games do not design them in the hopes of pissing off the playerbase, they do it to attract customers and pay their bills. Im friends with dev in Anet and I can tell you it royally pisses him off to read some of the nonsense posted on this site from people that obviously spent 15 mins in game or never bought it to begin with , whos soul purpose is to spread lies or false information in hopes of causing drama.
Once you realize the majority are over-dramatic 20 year old college students and basement dwellers, it goes a lot more smoothly around here lol. There are still plenty of folks playing the game and having a ball.Heh, the same can be said about the dev staff at Bioware Austin.
Nepotism in game development will always keep the industry in the basement.
That's too deep. I'm talking about real neck-beards that live in basements and know the secrets of the universe.
Well said. I like you.If we are going just based off number of servers:
Rift = 26 servers (Rift is older than SW:TOR)
EQ2 = 29 servers (Is a MUCH older game than SW:TOR)
AoC = 4 servers (older than SW:TOR, but you win this one)
I'm not taking sides in this agrument, but I just wanted to point that out. You in turn are bashing those games while complaining about people bashing SW:TOR. I know EQ2 has had a pretty stable number of subs over the years.
im not bashing any games with this , im pointing out just a fact . If you want to get technical since your using dead servers in the info provided then you can say SWTOR has over 100 so they still win. Rift all american servers but faeblight wolfsbane deepwood and one other are medium pop or sometimes high , all the others are Dead you can go to riftstatus website and see for yourself. EQ2 is DEAD it has like 3 servers ever leaving light so thats not right either , as im just basing my data off population trends not how many servers are listed but dead. Warhammer two servers AOC 4 servers TSW what like 9 i think? not sure id have to look. Anyways you know what i mean though im sure , my point is if your going to bash the game about losing subs , then go bash every other title thats released in the last 5 years as they are all dead in the water and doing worse then SWTOR is currently.
You should work for Fox News, You would be good at hyping up the masses of sheep with a pile of mis-information, and conclusions you have come up in your head without really knowing any of the facts, first. Layoffs and job losses are happening in almost all walks of life and careers right now, Firefighters, and Police have had to take a severe pay cutts and a huge loss in wages in some States in the U.S, especially most Game Companys in the states. I don't know if you are aware of this but for the last 4 years The Economy has been in a resession. SOE, and Blizzard, has had a lot of developers leave as well. They then fill those positions with other developers, and designers who are willing to work for less. SOE has just lost some people working with Everquest 2 and have Hired some new PR, and Development people. I guess that means SOE must be going bankrupt too. *Rolls Eyes*
Everquest 2 isn't dead, and there are more then 3 servers. There are 16 servers. Freeport, Antonoyia Bayle, Peramfrost, and Crushebone are all full on peak times everyday.
PS: I don't like SWTOR, or EQ2, or play any of these games, but please if you are going to state facts at least make it factual, and not just a bunch of assumptions you have come up with just because you don't like a game and feel the need to bash it just for the sake of bashing it because you can't get over the fact that there are still people out there who have a life and like the said games you don't like.
That is all
Cheers
-trash
In July 2012, Lead Combat Designer - and the man many blame for wrenching out the rich features of SWTOR that might have made it a more satisfying game - Georg Zoeller was fired 'to take up a new career in an exciting new industry in Singapore'.
Not to be a dick, but I can't be the only one who smirked at the implications of '"to take up a new career in an exciting new industry in Singapore", right?
I didn't bash SW:TOR about anything. In fact if you want my opinion about the OP's post I don't think that information necessarily has any correlation or proof that SW:TOR caused this. As it was mentioned layoffs of preproduction staff are common, especially in soulless large corporations like EA. I just happen to see your post. Very few titles released in the last 5 years are "dead in the water" as the only way I'd consider that to be true would be if service was discontinued completely for that MMO or they had an active population on the level of Vanguard's (which pretty much every title including AoC has maintained a better population), and as far as doing worse than SW:TOR that may be the case, but SW:TOR is hardly 5 years old so the verdict is still out on that one.
It's simply not facts. You also aren't counting dead servers in SW:TOR. As far as I know the only one with a thriving pop is the Fatman server. Maybe Rift or EQ2 servers need to be merged again, but if we are just using number of servers as a basis (which actually is a very poor indication of activity and active subscribers) then we need to account for all servers and compare from them.
I don't think we should use number of servers as an indicator for anything. Some servers support more people (for example TSW because they instance off players can support a larger threshold of players while a game like Rift has a very small threshold). It's one of the poorest indicators of actual population. Having someone do a /who command on each server and collecting data from that would be a better indicator, but still poor. The only way to get a decent indicator would be for the companies to flat out release the number of active subscribers.
you are absolutely right that you cannot really judge data by how many servers are left , but what im just trying to point out is SWTOR is far from some major flop like the OP and others really wish to portray here in this thread. I also do not play SWTOR anymore and havent in months , but the only game you will see me openly bashing here is Rift and thats for a personal reason and i try to not even do that but very rarely as you can see from my post history. SWTOR will still be here just like warhammer is and eq daoc etc . But my entire point on that post is just to say you cannot say that its dead and people are getting laid off from it etc when you got companies out there like Trion that have never ever had a healthy population other then box sales. Tera is the same thing and heck the biggest flop in mmorpg history for a triple A studio goes to mythic and warhammer online which is still two servers and guess about a 10k pop. So SWTOR is not leaving anytime soon is my real point based on assumptions of course .
I think it will take SWTOR's shutdown to prove that it was a total failure because I think it's a great game just with a couple pretty big, fixable flaws like the amount of content, stability, and dropping population due to the last two reasons. I still think they can pull it around and I've been considering resubbing soon myself, but I'd like to hear a bit more positive feedback from players about the next big patch or two.
It's your second paragraph that hit home though. I remember I had the exact same feeling about Tabula Rasa. I never got to play it as far as I wanted to unfortunately. I left for a few months due to lack of content, then next thing I know it's announced that it would be shutdown. I never saw it coming because I thought it was just too fun for that, albeit needed a bit more work to sustain enough subscribers to survive, but we had UO, EQ1, AC1, and DAoC to show how sometimes MMOs can seem to go on indefinitely regardless of how many leave for a newer MMO.
Now I've taken a break from SWTOR to go back and play the games you mentioned like GTA IV, RDR, and ME, and you're right. They would be incredible with added MP functionality, and the voiceovers are more enjoyable at your own single-player pacing.
I'm also back playing LOTRO
lol and you're right; the voiceovers are almost not even noticeable because it's used so sparingly and logically in the right places.
I'm trying an EVE trial again too because out of the very few sci-fi space MMOs I would play, EVE would have to be a close second choice below SWTOR on the very small list of available scifi games. Going back to SWTOR for me is contingent upon added content and features in the next couple months. I hope it doesn't suffer the same fate as TR though. Considering Warhammer Online is still active, I would like to believe it will take a lot more to bring SWTOR to a close, but am I making the same mistaken guessing that I did with TR? Could be, considering the insane budget allotted to an MMO with quickly-dropping subscriber counts compared to it's budget would have to be the biggest reason TR closed so soon too.
Is it better if MMOs stay on a low budget and succeed for many years with just a mild but sustainable subscriber count, or is it just these developers that don't know how to do it right on a huge budget with equally huge expectations on it's success?
This is baiting, with not a lot of discussion, but rather misinformation and fighting. There have also been very recent threads covering the same happenings. Locked.
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