Perhaps this thread is better entitled, This genre is "UNdead"?
Naw, that's the complaining. It rises from the grave and shuffles about mindlessly, moaning.
Always makes for a popular topic, anyway.
*ahem* "Dooooooommm--and brains."
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
We have FFA open world games sitting alongside well built themeparks. We have hybrids that embrace both. The future looks equally bright with games like TES, B&S, Pathfinder, and AA offering yet more choice to the mix.
This lack of diversification is really a myth. It's just lazy fashionable thinking.
I agree with the point about cash shops though... they are not good for the 'game' part of the hobby at all. If anything has the ability to kill the genre in the long term it is this cynical carpet bagging of the hobby in the name of pure greed.
They are really the only issue I have with the direction of the genre as a whole though, aside from an over reliance on PvP as cheap filler content, but then I enjoy both sandbox and themepark play as long as they are done well.
This is why we need a sticky thread from this topic so we don't need to see new threads pop up.
Because you are unable to control yourself from looking at them?
Sticky threads are the worst idea this forum has, totally kills discussion of topics that people like myself wish to discuss.
If you don't like them, don't read and respond to them.
This genre has drastically changed from what it was previously, no denying that regardless how you slice it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing is of course entirely based on your personal preferences, and from a developer perspective I guess they're happy and making enough money to keep churning the titles out.
We'll not see a return to the days of yore, the masses invaded the space that transformed MMO's from a hobbyist pursuit to a mass market juggernaut.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I do hope that I'm not the only person amused by the lamenting of Sandbox fanboys?
Stash some popcorn then because I see in my crysal ball that those threads will keep pooping for years and years. Additionally actually seeing genre changing even more agressively towards lobby, railed gameplay and no virtual world mmorpg's with decent production quality getting released - lamenting and qq'ing will propably increase rather than decerease.
This is why we need a sticky thread from this topic so we don't need to see new threads pop up.
Because you are unable to control yourself from looking at them?
Sticky threads are the worst idea this forum has, totally kills discussion of topics that people like myself wish to discuss.
If you don't like them, don't read and respond to them.
This genre has drastically changed from what it was previously, no denying that regardless how you slice it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing is of course entirely based on your personal preferences, and from a developer perspective I guess they're happy and making enough money to keep churning the titles out.
We'll not see a return to the days of yore, the masses invaded the space that transformed MMO's from a hobbyist pursuit to a mass market juggernaut.
For better or worse.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers. There's a reason why you don't "open up" (or complain) in the army: it brings down morale and nobody really gives a fuck what your problem is.
It would be fine if they'd start a thread just now and again (like "come back to Vanguard" or "If you're a guy playing a girl, you're a homo" -threads), but how it is brought up almost everyday, and if not in a new thread then they turn to it in other threads. They have nothing to say they just want wallow in their misery. Same posters over and over - It is really depressing even if I do not agree with them.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
I suppose people start these threads for two reasons: 1) Reaffirmation that there is still a decent size chuck of the community that does not like/believe in the direction the genre is going 2) Hope that a deveoper hears their voices and realize that there is still a market for the type of game (that some) people are hoping for.
I'm pretty sure you can chose to ignore these threads even if they do pop everyday by not clicking them, but for the rest of us we take (small) comfort in knowing we are not alone.
Theres more people playing MMORPGs and money being made in this genre than what was imagined when UO and EQ came out.
That said, despite all this, the heart of MMORPGs, their options in how to play, their gameplay, is rotten to the core.
I find it hilariuos also to hear people comlain about the grind of old school MMORPGs but are fine with doing new "endgame" content that makes you repeat the same activity over, and over, and over, and over again to garner points to unlock something.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
If you want something done right the Developer and the publisher need to push the game like TSW was. just by spending an hour playing TSW you will realize they designed that game for a specific crowd. TSW will never have WoW numbers, but they will have a dedicated community which will keep the game afloat.
This needs to be done Sandbox games, if not they wont succeed. Face of Mankind had Penelties for killing someone at random. they had User Player police that could arrest you and place you in prison for a time reletive to the amount of laws you broke. this is a great system. Sadly enough the people who ran the politics generally gave up because people wanted war. i ran a Department of Foriegn Relations, and for the first 4 months of running it, it went well i stopped multiple wars. but when everyday your either being attacked for no reason or your team mates decide to run into a strip mall shooting everything that moves, you lose the ability to keep things under wraps.
as cheesy as it sounds, i would rather people take a test to be able to play the game. Give a person an AK they want to run around shooting it. you tell them not to shoot it unless they have to, they will follow your orders until your out of sight. its just how it is. Eve is lucky enough that people get bored before hitting the actual Sandbox area so most of the casual gamers leave.
actually that may be the solution. PvE areas and Sandbox areas. Have it be a requirement to go though the PvE area to get to the sandbox unless you know what your doing. Because as it stands, in a pure Sandbox world all we get is Unreal Tournament.
Because i can. I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out. Logic every gamers worst enemy.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers.
Well, I actually posted a postive reply in the thread about the direction of the genre and how it's ok for me.
But you choose to not encourage a positive discussion and ignored that and instead chose to post your witty 'doom and gloom' pic to bait the moaners.
I guess some folks like to complain about games, and others like to complain about other posters.
If you want a better forum start responding to the type of posts you want to see more of is my advice. If you just give attention to the negatives you are really no better then they.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers.
Well, I actually posted a postive reply in the thread about the direction of the genre and how it's ok for me.
But you choose to not encourage a positive discussion and ignored that and instead chose to post your witty 'doom and gloom' pic to bait the moaners.
I guess some folks like to complain about games, and others like to complain about other posters.
If you want a better forum start responding to the type of posts you want to see more of is my advice. If you just give attention to the negatives you are really no better then they.
Hell, I've tried. It doesn't work. And like I've already said it is not contained within these threads. Mods should lock these threads like they do with themepark vs. sandbox threads and refer to one sticky thread where people can vent as much as they want.
This bashing (the games, the players) seems to be partly mod approved because it continues on from thread to thread. Since you enjoy the, in their mind, "failed MMOs" you must be dim-witted or othewise ignorant. The posters regularly do not offer any more explanation. It is ridiculous. Terms like "instant gratification-crowd" and such are similar to stereotypes like "women can't drive", "blondes are stupid", "catholic priests are pedophiles", "americans are fat" etc. and use of such stereotypes should be discouraged.
I demand a comment from the admins. Not too long ago they locked my thread, without comment, in which I included a poll if a dedicated sticky thread for all this venting should be created.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
As a friend said to me today. "Everything has turned into run here, kill big groups of mobs (what happened to single pulls?), run there, kill some more big groups of mobs, run somewhere else, etc. with a bunch of strangers the game finds for you to play with... I miss spending hours in groups with people you know..."
He has no friends? Play with some RL friends.
Plus, play once with a stranger, the second time is someone you know.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers. There's a reason why you don't "open up" (or complain) in the army: it brings down morale and nobody really gives a fuck what your problem is.
The market is huge and may still be expanding. Going into a direction you do not like != dead.
In fact, i think it is becoming MORE ALIVE, solving all the old problems (like camping & finding groups with instances & LFD/LFR), while giving a large part of the games to the players for FREE.
It is getting BETTER.
Oh, what terrible problems, those really are crippling modern MMOs.........
Crippling? You call features that players want "crippling"? LOL.
In fact, if it is not for LFR, i won't even come back to WOW. Those are must-have features now.
Why cant you people accept reality already? The majoritry doesnt want a fricking simulation game and yes thats EXACTLY what you people are asking for.
Genres evolve through time, deal with it. What was a mmorpg 12 years ago is different to what it is now.
What mmorpg means now is exactly the same as the word.
They are massive
They are multiplayer
They are online
and they are role playing games.
If you people want second life set on the medieval times go make your own game.
As far as im concerned mmorpgs nowdays are great and millions agree with me.
Yeh .. i agree with you. In fact, this is a direction I LIKE. More lobby co-op dungeon runs. Just say "no" to boring time sink, and walking-around "non-game".
I have a slightly different way of saying it. It isn't to me that the genre is dead, it is that the genre I was introduced to, is not what we original players or what I believe the original developers ever expected the genre to evolve into.
Well, you can't fight progress. I was there when MMO starts (even before UO .. played a pre-cursor called Kingdom of Drakkar). So what if it changes. FPS is not the same as DOOM. RTS is not the same as the old turn base war games.
To me, MMOs evolve into better games. That is progress.
The philosophy back then was that as the genre developed, the worlds would become more open, more in depth, more complex. We envisioned EQ without zone lines and more emersive graphics, more ways to draw you into the world, more ways to differentiate your character, more reasons to play at max lvl. More ways to be unique. Many ways to meet challenges - specifically, I don't any of us expected routine rotations or button mashing.
That philosophy obviously has flaws. The biggest flaw is to put in too many non-fun elements, in the name of virtual worlds. Today's philosophy is better .. make it a fun game first, everything else second.
Today's combat mechanics is 100x more interesting than EQ ... i played a wiz then .. there is no proc, no CDs, no intersting skills. You just spam your main nuke. A rotation is 10x more interesting .. at least you are doing something different. And we haven't even getting into mana management, DPS burst on demand, and how those interact with boss mechanics.
I'm not necessarily even saying more sandboxy - but I think it is pretty obvious that most of the original crowd thought that would be the direction - but instead, more that the current games feel so completely different than the original games. We thought the worlds we would have would be immersive for years, not months.
They are obviously wrong. And very few game can be fun for years. Months is already an achievement. This notion of playing just ONE game for years is arcane and out of time. There is no reason not to play more games .. have more different gaming experiences.
I would much prefer a very fun 1 week, than a mediocre repetitive 2 years.
The market is huge and may still be expanding. Going into a direction you do not like != dead.
In fact, i think it is becoming MORE ALIVE, solving all the old problems (like camping & finding groups with instances & LFD/LFR), while giving a large part of the games to the players for FREE.
It is getting BETTER.
Oh, what terrible problems, those really are crippling modern MMOs.........
Crippling? You call features that players want "crippling"? LOL.
In fact, if it is not for LFR, i won't even come back to WOW. Those are must-have features now.
Absolutely pathetic how you cannot recognise the sarcasm in my post. Wow.
This is why we need a sticky thread from this topic so we don't need to see new threads pop up.
Because you are unable to control yourself from looking at them?
Sticky threads are the worst idea this forum has, totally kills discussion of topics that people like myself wish to discuss.
If you don't like them, don't read and respond to them.
This genre has drastically changed from what it was previously, no denying that regardless how you slice it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing is of course entirely based on your personal preferences, and from a developer perspective I guess they're happy and making enough money to keep churning the titles out.
We'll not see a return to the days of yore, the masses invaded the space that transformed MMO's from a hobbyist pursuit to a mass market juggernaut.
For better or worse.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers. There's a reason why you don't "open up" (or complain) in the army: it brings down morale and nobody really gives a fuck what your problem is.
It would be fine if they'd start a thread just now and again (like "come back to Vanguard" or "If you're a guy playing a girl, you're a homo" -threads), but how it is brought up almost everyday, and if not in a new thread then they turn to it in other threads. They have nothing to say they just want wallow in their misery. Same posters over and over - It is really depressing even if I do not agree with them.
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by Quirhid
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers.
Well, I actually posted a postive reply in the thread about the direction of the genre and how it's ok for me.
But you choose to not encourage a positive discussion and ignored that and instead chose to post your witty 'doom and gloom' pic to bait the moaners.
I guess some folks like to complain about games, and others like to complain about other posters.
If you want a better forum start responding to the type of posts you want to see more of is my advice. If you just give attention to the negatives you are really no better then they.
Hell, I've tried. It doesn't work. And like I've already said it is not contained within these threads. Mods should lock these threads like they do with themepark vs. sandbox threads and refer to one sticky thread where people can vent as much as they want.
This bashing (the games, the players) seems to be partly mod approved because it continues on from thread to thread. Since you enjoy the, in their mind, "failed MMOs" you must be dim-witted or othewise ignorant. The posters regularly do not offer any more explanation. It is ridiculous. Terms like "instant gratification-crowd" and such are similar to stereotypes like "women can't drive", "blondes are stupid", "catholic priests are pedophiles", "americans are fat" etc. and use of such stereotypes should be discouraged.
I demand a comment from the admins. Not too long ago they locked my thread, without comment, in which I included a poll if a dedicated sticky thread for all this venting should be created.
Originally posted by QuicklyScott
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by QuicklyScott
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Dead?
The market is huge and may still be expanding. Going into a direction you do not like != dead.
In fact, i think it is becoming MORE ALIVE, solving all the old problems (like camping & finding groups with instances & LFD/LFR), while giving a large part of the games to the players for FREE.
It is getting BETTER.
Oh, what terrible problems, those really are crippling modern MMOs.........
Crippling? You call features that players want "crippling"? LOL.
In fact, if it is not for LFR, i won't even come back to WOW. Those are must-have features now.
Absolutely pathetic how you cannot recognise the sarcasm in my post. Wow.
Wow, you are just all wound up here today. Look, please stop trying to censor us.
We like bashing people's games, their playing habits, their stereotypes even, as long as we don't make it personal, it's all within the rules.
It's all part of forum PVP and its entirely voluntary, up to you whether you join in fray or not.
Nothing worse than this sites sticky threads, only serves to completely stifle discussion on a particular topic, great example, grouping vs soloing. I want to discuss that topic ad naseum if I like, in a dozen,or a half a hundred threads.
I've been reading and posting on these forums for over 6 years and 15K posts, and I don't find them repetitious or annoying, I like it here and the changes you propose will diminish my entertainment.
We all pay the same fee to be here.....wait, we pay nothing, so I guess we're all pretty equal in that regard.
Again, if the train wreck annoys you so much, please stop staring at it, plenty of other threads, articles and what not to read here.
Nuts now I'm way off topic, but lets face it, you can't argue that the genre's changed signficantly, and we who are not happy with this are never going to go away. (well, I guess we'll die off eventually)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Originally posted by Alot I do hope that I'm not the only person amused by the lamenting of Sandbox fanboys?
This isnt about sandbox, its about bringing more options to an mmo thus making more like a virtual world. I know its easy to say "you want to do more than just kill stuff? you must be a sandbox fanboy lol" But take a look at what you're actually doing in these new AAA mmos. You're literally just doing combat. The options for not doing combat are laughable. Some guy mentioned jumping puzzles in GW2 lol are you serious? And whats the reward for these mini games... stat bonuses for what? combat. Combat is the ultimate means to the ultimate end in all these mmos. I kill stuff so I can kill stuff better. I jump on these platforms to reach an item that helps me kill stuff better. I make food to help me kill stuff better. Keg brawl. Yeah lets take a break from combat and beat each other up. And so many people are eating this up like its the evolution of the genre. It feels like im in the twilight zone sometimes lol. Cant you guys see how pathetic this genre is now?
To the OP I agree with you, but there is one glimmer of hope. Archeage may deliver on a true MMO of old feel.
Posts like these have been repeated over and over for many years now. I wouldn't put any hopes into any game. Keep an eye on it sure, but trust me, it will most likely let you down lol. We've heard it for sooooooooooooo many games now. I am enjoying TSW right now. People said the same thing about it, but its really just kind of a cool game that will grow old due to exceptionally lame PvP, and the fact they want you to repeat content over and over for end game.
I see GW2 as the high water mark for this trend. It is the apex of refined mmo combat. Maybe after its been out for a while, people will start to want more from their virtual worlds. Well made combat is a good thing in an mmo. Unfortunately, these days its the only thing. Hopefully that will change soon,.
I understand what the OP is trying to say, but its like saying "music sucks today" or "movies suck today" yet both are still making more money than ever........
Originally posted by Theocritus I understand what the OP is trying to say, but its like saying "music sucks today" or "movies suck today" yet both are still making more money than ever........
It more like saying hip hop sucks today when compared to the early to mid 90s hip hop. Wanting to return to a golden era.
Originally posted by Alot I do hope that I'm not the only person amused by the lamenting of Sandbox fanboys?
This isnt about sandbox, its about bringing more options to an mmo thus making more like a virtual world. I know its easy to say "you want to do more than just kill stuff? you must be a sandbox fanboy lol" But take a look at what you're actually doing in these new AAA mmos. You're literally just doing combat. The options for not doing combat are laughable. Some guy mentioned jumping puzzles in GW2 lol are you serious? And whats the reward for these mini games... stat bonuses for what? combat. Combat is the ultimate means to the ultimate end in all these mmos. I kill stuff so I can kill stuff better. I jump on these platforms to reach an item that helps me kill stuff better. I make food to help me kill stuff better. Keg brawl. Yeah lets take a break from combat and beat each other up. And so many people are eating this up like its the evolution of the genre. It feels like im in the twilight zone sometimes lol. Cant you guys see how pathetic this genre is now?
Uh huh. Sure it is.
The 'popular games don't have my dreamlist of features, implemented exactly the way I want them; so therefor the genre is garbage' aregument is nothing short of ridiculous.
I also don't see why you are so fixated on GW2. We get it, you hate what it stands for, some other bs like that. What does that have to do w/ the genre as whole, lol.
If you want a virtual world, and are honestly sick of combat, then go play second life. Or go play eve, or wait for Repopulation, or play A Tale in the Desert. If you want a multiplayer sim, go play minecraft FFS.
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Naw, that's the complaining. It rises from the grave and shuffles about mindlessly, moaning.
Always makes for a popular topic, anyway.
*ahem* "Dooooooommm--and brains."
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I do hope that I'm not the only person amused by the lamenting of Sandbox fanboys?
The genre is going just fine.
We have FFA open world games sitting alongside well built themeparks. We have hybrids that embrace both. The future looks equally bright with games like TES, B&S, Pathfinder, and AA offering yet more choice to the mix.
This lack of diversification is really a myth. It's just lazy fashionable thinking.
I agree with the point about cash shops though... they are not good for the 'game' part of the hobby at all. If anything has the ability to kill the genre in the long term it is this cynical carpet bagging of the hobby in the name of pure greed.
They are really the only issue I have with the direction of the genre as a whole though, aside from an over reliance on PvP as cheap filler content, but then I enjoy both sandbox and themepark play as long as they are done well.
Because you are unable to control yourself from looking at them?
Sticky threads are the worst idea this forum has, totally kills discussion of topics that people like myself wish to discuss.
If you don't like them, don't read and respond to them.
This genre has drastically changed from what it was previously, no denying that regardless how you slice it.
Whether that is a good or bad thing is of course entirely based on your personal preferences, and from a developer perspective I guess they're happy and making enough money to keep churning the titles out.
We'll not see a return to the days of yore, the masses invaded the space that transformed MMO's from a hobbyist pursuit to a mass market juggernaut.
For better or worse.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Stash some popcorn then because I see in my crysal ball that those threads will keep pooping for years and years. Additionally actually seeing genre changing even more agressively towards lobby, railed gameplay and no virtual world mmorpg's with decent production quality getting released - lamenting and qq'ing will propably increase rather than decerease.
Does anything good come from these threads? Frustrated posters come to vent and bash the current breed of games and gamers. There's a reason why you don't "open up" (or complain) in the army: it brings down morale and nobody really gives a fuck what your problem is.
It would be fine if they'd start a thread just now and again (like "come back to Vanguard" or "If you're a guy playing a girl, you're a homo" -threads), but how it is brought up almost everyday, and if not in a new thread then they turn to it in other threads. They have nothing to say they just want wallow in their misery. Same posters over and over - It is really depressing even if I do not agree with them.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I suppose people start these threads for two reasons: 1) Reaffirmation that there is still a decent size chuck of the community that does not like/believe in the direction the genre is going 2) Hope that a deveoper hears their voices and realize that there is still a market for the type of game (that some) people are hoping for.
I'm pretty sure you can chose to ignore these threads even if they do pop everyday by not clicking them, but for the rest of us we take (small) comfort in knowing we are not alone.
Theres more people playing MMORPGs and money being made in this genre than what was imagined when UO and EQ came out.
That said, despite all this, the heart of MMORPGs, their options in how to play, their gameplay, is rotten to the core.
I find it hilariuos also to hear people comlain about the grind of old school MMORPGs but are fine with doing new "endgame" content that makes you repeat the same activity over, and over, and over, and over again to garner points to unlock something.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
If you want something done right the Developer and the publisher need to push the game like TSW was. just by spending an hour playing TSW you will realize they designed that game for a specific crowd. TSW will never have WoW numbers, but they will have a dedicated community which will keep the game afloat.
This needs to be done Sandbox games, if not they wont succeed. Face of Mankind had Penelties for killing someone at random. they had User Player police that could arrest you and place you in prison for a time reletive to the amount of laws you broke. this is a great system. Sadly enough the people who ran the politics generally gave up because people wanted war. i ran a Department of Foriegn Relations, and for the first 4 months of running it, it went well i stopped multiple wars. but when everyday your either being attacked for no reason or your team mates decide to run into a strip mall shooting everything that moves, you lose the ability to keep things under wraps.
as cheesy as it sounds, i would rather people take a test to be able to play the game. Give a person an AK they want to run around shooting it. you tell them not to shoot it unless they have to, they will follow your orders until your out of sight. its just how it is. Eve is lucky enough that people get bored before hitting the actual Sandbox area so most of the casual gamers leave.
actually that may be the solution. PvE areas and Sandbox areas. Have it be a requirement to go though the PvE area to get to the sandbox unless you know what your doing. Because as it stands, in a pure Sandbox world all we get is Unreal Tournament.
Because i can.
I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out.
Logic every gamers worst enemy.
Well, I actually posted a postive reply in the thread about the direction of the genre and how it's ok for me.
But you choose to not encourage a positive discussion and ignored that and instead chose to post your witty 'doom and gloom' pic to bait the moaners.
I guess some folks like to complain about games, and others like to complain about other posters.
If you want a better forum start responding to the type of posts you want to see more of is my advice. If you just give attention to the negatives you are really no better then they.
Hell, I've tried. It doesn't work. And like I've already said it is not contained within these threads. Mods should lock these threads like they do with themepark vs. sandbox threads and refer to one sticky thread where people can vent as much as they want.
This bashing (the games, the players) seems to be partly mod approved because it continues on from thread to thread. Since you enjoy the, in their mind, "failed MMOs" you must be dim-witted or othewise ignorant. The posters regularly do not offer any more explanation. It is ridiculous. Terms like "instant gratification-crowd" and such are similar to stereotypes like "women can't drive", "blondes are stupid", "catholic priests are pedophiles", "americans are fat" etc. and use of such stereotypes should be discouraged.
I demand a comment from the admins. Not too long ago they locked my thread, without comment, in which I included a poll if a dedicated sticky thread for all this venting should be created.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
He has no friends? Play with some RL friends.
Plus, play once with a stranger, the second time is someone you know.
Yes, they are entertaining.
It is not like a thread will change the industry.
Crippling? You call features that players want "crippling"? LOL.
In fact, if it is not for LFR, i won't even come back to WOW. Those are must-have features now.
Yeh .. i agree with you. In fact, this is a direction I LIKE. More lobby co-op dungeon runs. Just say "no" to boring time sink, and walking-around "non-game".
Absolutely pathetic how you cannot recognise the sarcasm in my post. Wow.
Wow, you are just all wound up here today. Look, please stop trying to censor us.
We like bashing people's games, their playing habits, their stereotypes even, as long as we don't make it personal, it's all within the rules.
It's all part of forum PVP and its entirely voluntary, up to you whether you join in fray or not.
Nothing worse than this sites sticky threads, only serves to completely stifle discussion on a particular topic, great example, grouping vs soloing. I want to discuss that topic ad naseum if I like, in a dozen,or a half a hundred threads.
I've been reading and posting on these forums for over 6 years and 15K posts, and I don't find them repetitious or annoying, I like it here and the changes you propose will diminish my entertainment.
We all pay the same fee to be here.....wait, we pay nothing, so I guess we're all pretty equal in that regard.
Again, if the train wreck annoys you so much, please stop staring at it, plenty of other threads, articles and what not to read here.
Nuts now I'm way off topic, but lets face it, you can't argue that the genre's changed signficantly, and we who are not happy with this are never going to go away. (well, I guess we'll die off eventually)
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This isnt about sandbox, its about bringing more options to an mmo thus making more like a virtual world. I know its easy to say "you want to do more than just kill stuff? you must be a sandbox fanboy lol" But take a look at what you're actually doing in these new AAA mmos. You're literally just doing combat. The options for not doing combat are laughable. Some guy mentioned jumping puzzles in GW2 lol are you serious? And whats the reward for these mini games... stat bonuses for what? combat. Combat is the ultimate means to the ultimate end in all these mmos. I kill stuff so I can kill stuff better. I jump on these platforms to reach an item that helps me kill stuff better. I make food to help me kill stuff better. Keg brawl. Yeah lets take a break from combat and beat each other up. And so many people are eating this up like its the evolution of the genre. It feels like im in the twilight zone sometimes lol. Cant you guys see how pathetic this genre is now?
the good thing about death is that there is always a rebirth.
Posts like these have been repeated over and over for many years now. I wouldn't put any hopes into any game. Keep an eye on it sure, but trust me, it will most likely let you down lol. We've heard it for sooooooooooooo many games now. I am enjoying TSW right now. People said the same thing about it, but its really just kind of a cool game that will grow old due to exceptionally lame PvP, and the fact they want you to repeat content over and over for end game.
I see GW2 as the high water mark for this trend. It is the apex of refined mmo combat. Maybe after its been out for a while, people will start to want more from their virtual worlds. Well made combat is a good thing in an mmo. Unfortunately, these days its the only thing. Hopefully that will change soon,.
I understand what the OP is trying to say, but its like saying "music sucks today" or "movies suck today" yet both are still making more money than ever........
Uh huh. Sure it is.
The 'popular games don't have my dreamlist of features, implemented exactly the way I want them; so therefor the genre is garbage' aregument is nothing short of ridiculous.
I also don't see why you are so fixated on GW2. We get it, you hate what it stands for, some other bs like that. What does that have to do w/ the genre as whole, lol.
If you want a virtual world, and are honestly sick of combat, then go play second life. Or go play eve, or wait for Repopulation, or play A Tale in the Desert. If you want a multiplayer sim, go play minecraft FFS.