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Guardian: anybody else want a heal on Staff auto attack?
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The Staff is a support weapon.
It has terrible auto attack range and weak damage. But nice AoE (still very weak for such short range)
I would like to see a heal on this auto attack as a chain perhaps. Something that does what it currently does, but also heals allies in the blast radius. this makes the auto attack in this weapon more useful for such a short range in WvW.
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Sry but no. That could lead to "LFG Guardian to go". There must be no dedicated healer in this game.
Maybe small regen like Water Elementalist but nothing that could heal anyone effectively.
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No, the staff is situational, just like the other weapons in this game. If you want ranged then use a scepter + anything, they changed the range on it in bw3.
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They don't need one. Staff already gives multiple heals, adding another to your chain could start to push people into playing it as a healer (which is against what the devs wanted for this class). Mace gives a heal on the combo and is all around a better main-hand for the guardian than the staff.
If you feel autoattack is weak, they should just buff the dmg. Guardian with staff already has heal skill on 2nd weapon slot with only 3 seconds cooldown, also 5th skill with 60 sec cooldown.
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um....if you are expecting a buff to the guardian class then you're up for a big disappointment.
I'm gonna roll a Gaurdian but hellz no.. no heal on staff!
Nope, because the first skill always has the shortest cooldown and people will start spamming the first skill pidgeon holding the guardian profession into being a healer.
thats why I suggested making it into a chain. cant use chain if you use other skills.
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They can already spec for that.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Battle_Presence
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Virtue_of_Resolve
Guardians dont need any more healing options, they already have more than most other classes. They especially dont need one available to all guardians regardless of spec.
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My concern is that guardian is already great supporter, making it even more supportive he could become a must-have in party when doing dungeons for example. I don't want teams to be built around one specific class.
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What most are afraid of is people becoming dependent on a class which would defeat the purpose of getting rid of the holy trinity.
frankly I don't want to see LF1M Gaurdian healer all over my chat window to be honest.
Agree with Zeus. Guardian doesn't need another heal and I can almost 100% say that they won't get another on a combo chain. They don't need one and I'm sure ArenaNet realizes this.
Probelm is playing support against intelligent enemies like players in conquest. If I play staff and scepter, it's pretty gimp support and anything right now. The AoE for Staff is far too short range and way too weak damage for its range limit. It need utility of support to make it shine. The staff is the best support weapon for guardians. Why not make the auto attack more support friendly? If Iam in Melee range with staff I likely won't be much help to my team who are in the back with ranged attacks. This is why the auto attack for this weapon is useless honestly.Philosophy of MMO Game Design
You can't become dependent on healing alone, just like you can't depend on dps alone. Why is it so hard to understand this? You can't play only healer in gw2 regardless of how many heals you have. Just like you can't play only dps or only tank. You have to play multiple roles. So no idea were you and others are getting this dedicated healer nonsense from. Try healing a ally standing in boss's AoE circle. Tell me what happens....Philosophy of MMO Game Design
I agree that staff's auto attack is quite weak, and because of that staff guardinans are not really popular. I tried staff guardian in PvP and I didn't do well. I was far better with greatsword or hammer.
Guardian with staff has 4 support skills out of 5 weapon skills. I think they should just buff the range or dmg output of the first skill and that's it.
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Let's be real here. No way will they buff the range nor damage of staff. The developers are already struggling with the idea that Guardians should have range options, as well as struggling with the idea that Melee fighters should be able to cast while moving like all other classes. What makes you think they would buff the range of the staff auto attack or even give it higher damage? That's crazier than my suggestion in the OP....Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Yea, it won't do much. But what's the point of adding healing effect to autoattack then as you suggested?
edit: to reply to the your post above: Well, I thought you want to make staff more usefull, in other words buff it somehow.
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Let me ask YOU a question: Why do you ask for opinions if you are not prepared to accept the result?
Anet did not "just remove threat mechanics". Mechanics are there - Just not as active skills. A lot of things are different from your usual trinity game, including healing.
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You can't become dependent on healing alone, just like you can't depend on dps alone. Why is it so hard to understand this? You can't play only healer in gw2 regardless of how many heals you have. Just like you can't play only dps or only tank. You have to play multiple roles. So no idea were you and others are getting this dedicated healer nonsense from. Try healing a ally standing in boss's AoE circle. Tell me what happens....Yea, it won't do much. But what's the point of adding healing effect to autoattack then as you suggested?
edit: to reply to the your post above: Well, I thought you want to make staff more usefull, in other words buff it somehow.
I do what it buff. But more damage won't do anything for support staff weapon. Since I am supporting ally with my weapon skills. And the more damage on a AoE blast like this screams OP in WvW. Not even Ele would compete against a auto attack like that. And longer range, is the same issue stated with the damage buff. Too powerful to spam a massive AoE like that. Would create massive lag.Healing on the staff auto attack would fit in with the guardian's limited range design. Since they are designed not to be major ranged fighters in PvP, the staff is best up close and personal with zergs keeping Melee ally alive and well on the front line. Most of the skills point to this with their limited range and damage, but full support tools. Right now the AoE is useless on the auto attack. Too weak, and has no support options to go with the other skills. A heal on the auto attack also means a more mobile support build, which is uselful for a front line fighter in Zerg vs Zerg. Most of the skills from staff root you in place. That's not helpful all the time in front line. It's crazy to suggest they will buff the range of all staff skills. It's design for front line support. Not long range.
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Let me ask YOU a question: Why do you ask for opinions if you are not prepared to accept the result?
Anet did not "just remove threat mechanics". Mechanics are there - Just not as active skills. A lot of things are different from your usual trinity game, including healing.
I asked for opinions for discusiion. I never said I would change mine. You assumed that. Also there are no threat mechanics. And healing is in the game.Philosophy of MMO Game Design
I remember setting Radiant Aura on my defender to automatic and just hanging out on missions. That's balls. Don't turn the guardian into HealBot 5000.
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Fair enough. Yet you assume there are no threat mechanics ingame - Which implies that all monster attacks will be totally random?
Heal on autoattack, even if just 1/3 in a 180 degree arc behind the guardian is just flawed thinking in GW2 skillterms.
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