Why fans keep trying to mislead players about TSW when they say...

lifeordinary · July 2012

1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

Aceundor · July 2012

I have also been following this game since CB, however I have never had the impression that TSW fans are misleading players.

Your points above are correct, however I havent seen many fans say that they arent. As for item 3 it is quite clear that TSW has a lot of BOTH horizontal and vertical progression. This has been mentioned by the devs time and time again. No misleading here.

Also those following the game will know that there are 10 quest levels to gear and that there are blue and purple drops etc. This means that gear matter a lot in TSW.

The main difference for TSW is that you are not hand held in your skill choices. It is quite possible to make a horrible build and then have to go back and farm for xp in order to make a new one.

TSW is not EZ mode.

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by Aceundor
I have also been following this game since CB, however I have never had the impression that TSW fans are misleading players.

Your points above are correct, however I havent seen many fans say that they arent. As for item 3 it is quite clear that TSW has a lot of BOTH horizontal and vertical progression. This has been mentioned by the devs time and time again. No misleading here.

Also those following the game will know that there are 10 quest levels to gear and that there are blue and purple drops etc. This means that gear matter a lot in TSW.

The main difference for TSW is that you are not hand held in your skill choices. It is quite possible to make a horrible build and then have to go back and farm for xp in order to make a new one.

TSW is not EZ mode.

I wish i could link to old CB forums but there was very heated dicussion about all these three points and most of the TSW players kept denying all 3 points i mentioned.

Even now while playing i see quite often in general chat that players try to mislead others by telling them things like 'your gear won't matter at the end' or 'you can clear elite and NM without tank/dps/healer setup'. it makes me wonder why?

Either these people themselves know nothing about the game or are intentionally trying to mislead players so that they don't quit mid way knowing that TSW even though unique in its own way is still a typical themepark raid based MMO when it comes to end game. Maybe because they are embarrassed that TSW is taking same approach towrads tired hamster wheel gear grind? and trying to cover it upt as much as they can.

Also, it doesn't matter if TSW has any kind of horizontal progression when QL levels dictate your skills and your entry to dungeons something which hits even harder when you try to do NM dungeons.

Even right now on official forums players are claiming that there is nottrinity in TSW and dungeons can be cleared without it and yet when asked to put up a video of elite or NM dungeons they disappear..

Gadareth · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Aceundor

I have also been following this game since CB, however I have never had the impression that TSW fans are misleading players.

Your points above are correct, however I havent seen many fans say that they arent. As for item 3 it is quite clear that TSW has a lot of BOTH horizontal and vertical progression. This has been mentioned by the devs time and time again. No misleading here.

Also those following the game will know that there are 10 quest levels to gear and that there are blue and purple drops etc. This means that gear matter a lot in TSW.

The main difference for TSW is that you are not hand held in your skill choices. It is quite possible to make a horrible build and then have to go back and farm for xp in order to make a new one.

TSW is not EZ mode.

I wish i could link to old CB forums but there was very heated dicussion about all these three points and most of the TSW players kept denying all 3 points i mentioned.

Even now while playing i see quite often in general chat that players try to mislead others by telling them things like 'your gear won't matter at the end' or 'you can clear elite and NM without tank/dps/healer setup'. it makes me wonder why?

Either these people themselves know nothing about the game or are intentionally trying to mislead players so that they don't quit mid way knowing that TSW even though unique in its own way is still a typical themepark raid based MMO when it comes to end game. Maybe because they are embarrassed that TSW is taking same approach towrads tired hamster wheel gear grind? and trying to cover it upt as much as they can.

Also, it doesn't matter if TSW has any kind of horizontal progression when QL levels dictate your skills and your entry to dungeons something which hits even harder when you try to do NM dungeons.

Even right now on official forums players are claiming that there is nottrinity in TSW and dungeons can be cleared without it and yet when asked to put up a video of elite or NM dungeons they disappear..

In the average mmorpg you character class defined what you were and what role you would play. You were a TANk a DPS a healer perhaps if you were lucky you had a dual role but on average you were pretty much set in the one role and stuck in there.

In TSW there is no class system. You may initially focus on a particular build typr be it highly defensive or aggressive. You may choose to be more supportive. BUT and this is a big but yout not stuck there you can branch out be dps and have healer and defensive builds and swap between them as you go.

In the beginning yes you need the holy trinity as each player will probably only have focused on ne aspect. However as player builds branch out more. The holy trinity becomes less and less important because each character will basically be able to handle any role needed. You form a party someone gets out their defensive deck, another his healer deck. etc..

So yes the tank, the dps and the healer will always be needed but these roles are no longer a trap looking you in and forcing you to be nothing else.

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by Gadareth

In the average mmorpg you character class defined what you were and what role you would play. You were a TANk a DPS a healer perhaps if you were lucky you had a dual role but on average you were pretty much set in the one role and stuck in there.

In TSW there is no class system. You may initially focus on a particular build typr be it highly defensive or aggressive. You may choose to be more supportive. BUT and this is a big but yout not stuck there you can branch out be dps and have healer and defensive builds and swap between them as you go.

In the beginning yes you need the holy trinity as each player will probably only have focused on ne aspect. However as player builds branch out more. The holy trinity becomes less and less important because each character will basically be able to handle any role needed. You form a party someone gets out their defensive deck, another his healer deck. etc..

So yes the tank, the dps and the healer will always be needed but these roles are no longer a trap looking you in and forcing you to be nothing else.

TSW is classless game but not role les. I agree with you that any player can be tank / healer and dps. Options for multiple builds are all fine and good but experince and history dectates that the moment you implement trinity in the game, majority of players will go for damage role or class.

That is why TSW right now is suffering from typical MMO problem of lack of tanks and healers which is leading to demand for LFG tool.

Agent_Joseph · July 2012

you need only 60 AP for make useful ,tank or heal build,it is not for end game dungeons but for regular is ok

Peoples who talking about; you not need gear or tank/ healer for dungeon run are not fan's they are trolls.

mmoRPG without trinity is not RPG it is arcade /shooter mmo

Kyleran · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I've spent a lot of time on these forums and I currently play TSW. I've not really heard any of your points discussed at length, so you are either paying attention to a vocal minority or hanging around the wrong forums. (never take official company forums seriously, you'll never find any "truth" on them.)

I think almost everyone joining TSW knows it follows the standard theme park model in many ways, and it does suffer from the issues of tank/healer shortages.

Instead of looking for a LFG tool players should learn to man up and start taking their turn at learning these roles and doing them. Do you really think a LFG tool solves these problems? TERA put one in and there was no difference still no tanks and healers because the shortage was the same on every server, so LFG tool didn't really help one bit.

You sound like a GW2 fan trying to drum up support for non-trinity games rather than someone who is sincerely trying to "help" people by not misleading them about TSW.

We know what the game is like, not our first time to the rodeo you know.

Zinzan · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

1 - Can't recall anyone ever saying that.

2 - TSW is as much about skills as it is QL but again, can't recall anyone ever saying that gear didn't matter.

3 - What does that mean? Once again, never even heard that phrase before so im pretty sure no-one of any significance ever said this.

Point 1 i think your getting confused with GW2 maybe?

As for the rest...well im at a loss to know where you cane up with those.

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by lifeordinary

1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I've spent a lot of time on these forums and I currently play TSW. I've not really heard any of your points discussed at length, so you are either paying attention to a vocal minority or hanging around the wrong forums. (never take official company forums seriously, you'll never find any "truth" on them.)

I think almost everyone joining TSW knows it follows the standard theme park model in many ways, and it does suffer from the issues of tank/healer shortages.

Instead of looking for a LFG tool players should learn to man up and start taking their turn at learning these roles and doing them. Do you really think a LFG tool solves these problems? TERA put one in and there was no difference still no tanks and healers because the shortage was the same on every server, so LFG tool didn't really help one bit.

You sound like a GW2 fan trying to drum up support for non-trinity games rather than someone who is sincerely trying to "help" people by not misleading them about TSW.

We know what the game is like, not our first time to the rodeo you know.

I never specifically mentioned these forums. I also talked about official forums and in game general chat, although if you pay attention to some of the topic over here you will see fans completely denying that trinity exists in TSW or that it has vertical progression.

I don't have to be a GW2 fan to say the obvious something i knew from days of CB. I have no idea how youa rrived to that conclusion though. it is funny though that you call me GW2 fan while on GW2 forums i am called TSW fan..i am getting confused here, make up your mind people

By the way my post is not just about trinity but also about gear /skill and whether TSW really has horizontal progression as claimed by many.

Mexorilla · July 2012

leave TSW alone. some people enjoy the game, let them. [mod edit] if you don't like the game let it be. [mod edit]

TheLizardbones · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progressionI think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Alot · July 2012

Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progressionI think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

#3 is constantly being repeated by the TSW fans on this site. Although i've never seen one of them mention #1 or #2.

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Coman · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary

I never specifically mentioned these forums. I also talked about official forums and in game general chat, although if you pay attention to some of the topic over here you will see fans completely denying that trinity exists in TSW or that it has vertical progression.

PvP forces you to pick between one of these roles actually so anyone denying that there is not trinity is simply trolling and if you do not have a healer and the enemy team has a somewhat decent healer. Then you almost guerenteed that you going to lose unless your team really plays well together and actually nukes the healer first. Anyhow there is always a lot of misinformation going on about games. I really do not believe it different with this game then any other.

TheLizardbones · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by lizardbones Originally posted by lifeordinary 1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW 2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear 3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false. I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Just browsed general, and none of those things came up. There was a post about how there are no tanks because the tanking mechanics are bad, a post about how the game really does have levels (based on gear and weapons), but nothing falling under the 3 topics you've listed.

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary 1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW 2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear 3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false. I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Just browsed general, and none of those things came up. There was a post about how there are no tanks because the tanking mechanics are bad, a post about how the game really does have levels (based on gear and weapons), but nothing falling under the 3 topics you've listed.

Eveyr topic that discusses tank mechanics or holy trinity or raids and dungeons..end up discussing these three things where fans would outright deny or try to belittle players who disagree with them..you have to read the entire topic to know what i am saying... few examples

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49420

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=48154

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=41198

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49370

bcbully · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Gadareth

In the average mmorpg you character class defined what you were and what role you would play. You were a TANk a DPS a healer perhaps if you were lucky you had a dual role but on average you were pretty much set in the one role and stuck in there.

In TSW there is no class system. You may initially focus on a particular build typr be it highly defensive or aggressive. You may choose to be more supportive. BUT and this is a big but yout not stuck there you can branch out be dps and have healer and defensive builds and swap between them as you go.

In the beginning yes you need the holy trinity as each player will probably only have focused on ne aspect. However as player builds branch out more. The holy trinity becomes less and less important because each character will basically be able to handle any role needed. You form a party someone gets out their defensive deck, another his healer deck. etc..

So yes the tank, the dps and the healer will always be needed but these roles are no longer a trap looking you in and forcing you to be nothing else.

TSW is classless game but not role les. I agree with you that any player can be tank / healer and dps. Options for multiple builds are all fine and good but experince and history dectates that the moment you implement trinity in the game, majority of players will go for damage role or class.

That is why TSW right now is suffering from typical MMO problem of lack of tanks and healers which is leading to demand for LFG tool.

Are you even playing? If you were you would know that it takes no longer than 5 minutes as a DPS to get a group for elites. TSW like no other mmo I've played is NOT suffereing for a lack of any role.

Line after line you are misleading the mmorpg community, or atleast trying...

bcbully · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary 1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW 2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear 3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false. I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Just browsed general, and none of those things came up. There was a post about how there are no tanks because the tanking mechanics are bad, a post about how the game really does have levels (based on gear and weapons), but nothing falling under the 3 topics you've listed.

Eveyr topic that discusses tank mechanics or holy trinity or raids and dungeons..end up discussing these three things where fans would outright deny or try to belittle players who disagree with them..you have to read the entire topic to know what i am saying... few examples

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49420

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=48154

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=41198

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49370

And nothing you said is in here... Man what are you doing?

bcbully · July 2012

Originally posted by Alot

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary
1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW

2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear

3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression

I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false.

I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

#3 is constantly being repeated by the TSW fans on this site. Although i've never seen one of them mention #1 or #2.

Beeeacuse this is TRUE lol

lifeordinary · July 2012

Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary 1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW 2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear 3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false. I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Just browsed general, and none of those things came up. There was a post about how there are no tanks because the tanking mechanics are bad, a post about how the game really does have levels (based on gear and weapons), but nothing falling under the 3 topics you've listed.

Eveyr topic that discusses tank mechanics or holy trinity or raids and dungeons..end up discussing these three things where fans would outright deny or try to belittle players who disagree with them..you have to read the entire topic to know what i am saying... few examples

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49420

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=48154

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=41198

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49370

And nothing you said is in here... Man what are you doing?

I am susprised you read all the topics which are atleast 5 to 26 pages long in few minutes.

I don't know what i am doing..trying to get across my point i guess.

Xthos · July 2012

Gear does matter in TSW, I started off doing some group healing, but was trying to stay DPS, healing gear makes a huge difference....That said, it isn't that steep of a commitment to be able to do multiple roles. I could do healer or dps now.

I could play for 1 day in Transylvania and get enough points to also add tank...So whatever the progression, it isn't steep.

bcbully · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by lifeordinary 1;) Holy Trinity doesn't matter in TSW 2;) TSW is all about skills and not gear 3;) TSW has flat / horizontal progression I think it is very wrong and being dishonest if you are trying to get players into TSW by making things up. They will end up knowing sooner or later that all the above are false. I knew about this since CB and never pretended that it will go away and i never lied to any of my friends about this. Aren't we harming game more by lying to potential customers?

I have not heard any of those statements made about TSW. Not on the TSW forums, these forums or the website. So my question would be, where did you hear this?

Read official forums, front page alone has 2 to 3 topics discussing 3 points i mentioned, other then that 'TSW has horizontal progression' is repeated often here and i also mentioned in game general chat.

Just browsed general, and none of those things came up. There was a post about how there are no tanks because the tanking mechanics are bad, a post about how the game really does have levels (based on gear and weapons), but nothing falling under the 3 topics you've listed.

Eveyr topic that discusses tank mechanics or holy trinity or raids and dungeons..end up discussing these three things where fans would outright deny or try to belittle players who disagree with them..you have to read the entire topic to know what i am saying... few examples

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49420

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=48154

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=41198

http://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=49370

And nothing you said is in here... Man what are you doing?

I am susprised you read all the topics which are atleast 10 pages long in few minutes.

I don't know what i am doing..trying to get across my point i guess.

No man you are making stawman arguments and telling half truths. Even lieing. In all for of these threads you can not find more than one person if that, that said any of the nonsense you typed. Did you just wake up and say I'm gonna make up something?

Mexorilla · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Mexorilla

leave TSW alone. some people enjoy the game, let them. these troll threads are getting annoying. if you don't like the game let it be. quit obsessing.

If everytime you disagree with a topic on these forums and label it as a 'troll' i doubt there will be much left to read or discuss.

cause these forums are full of trolls?

bcbully · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
So you managed to read over 50 to 60 pages in total in matter of minutes and arrived to conclusion that not more than one person said what i typed? and even if just didn't read them and have been following these topics for days it is you who is lying not me.

So you link post that say nothing to back your OP then tell people to read 60 pages to find it? Yeah have fun. I'm done with this.

You can't just come on these forums and say anything dude. There are rules against it.

Mexorilla · July 2012

Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by lifeordinary
So you managed to read over 50 to 60 pages in total in matter of minutes and arrived to conclusion that not more than one person said what i typed? and even if just didn't read them and have been following these topics for days it is you who is lying not me.

So you link post that say nothing to back your OP then tell people to read 60 pages to find it? Yeah have fun. I'm done with this.

You can't just come on these forums and say anything dude. There are rules against it.

Ofcourse you have to read or you want me to start quoting posts for you one by one? i can do that but why bother with it? not like you are goign to change your attitude and be honest considering you are the one who says 'TSW has horizontal progression'.

bring proof to your argument next time. also, this really should be on the TSW forums, since they have a lager pool of people you are addressing.

bcbully · July 2012

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