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What makes the hype different this time around?
BigRock411
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Look i plan on playing GW2 eventually, but im planning to avoid launch. Yes i know people are going to discount this as a troll thread because im playing another game right now and im not head over heels positive about GW2 just yet.
The main question i want to pose to everyone here, seeing how opinion is overhelmingly positive that this is going to be the next major game....what about GW2 and the lead up to launch has been different to other games that had just as much positive pre-launch support?
We can look back through the years and see the very same type of overwhelmimg positive opinion for a lot of games prior to launch, games that include AOC/WAR/AION/RIFT/SWTOR theres a lot more but those where the major ones i remember. Nothing bad was to be said about the listed games, they all were going to be different, ground breaking, had nothing but stellar beta feedback (and when there wasnt stellar beta feedback anything negative was flamed to dust).
I see a lot of similairities with this launch and those others, mainly the high expectations that always seem to be true prior to launch but seem to be just a veil of perfection several weeks later.
I played the first beta round, wasnt impressed as far as hype generated for it, i do realize a lot of stuff that was wrong in that beta has been fixed, but im thinking out farther than whats coverd in a few betas. I have concerns that i dare not voice here, being a game thats well defended as are all overhyped prelaunched games that will revolutionize the mmo genere ect.
So whats different this time around? Am i going to end up playing a hated game a month after launch despite it being unfallable prior to launch?
Am i the only one who notices these things?
Im really less interested in the opinions on this game or the game im playing now, or how i have it all wrong that this game is in fact perfect ect...im more curious on the midset thats taken over here, and how people seem to forget the same exact thing happens every single time one of these games launches on high hopes.
Im sure this will quickly degrade into personal attack ect or just be ignored, but id like at least a short reasitic discussion about why this time around the games going to be flawless all the way through, not just in the first few weeks.
Also i will find it hard to believe that people arre just going to play this game for what it is, despite its what i do, i dont really care about the minor issues, its just this would be the first high-hype launch where everyone actually didnt care and just played the game to enjoy it. That is the vital missing part with all the other launches just like GW2...people say they will play it just to enjoy it and dont care but 3 weeks later they care very deeply about any and all issues that people tried to talk about prior to launch, but were flamed and ignored. This will be a mmorpg first if people turn out to overlook the issues that may arise down the road.
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Hi Origional poster,
The reason why things are different this time round is simple.
Arena Net said they would make a game with a certain game mechanic and a certain type of content.
We have played the BWE's and currently we have a very good looking game, with the mechanic stated and the content as stated by the developer. The other factor is the game is not trying to tick off everyones boxes its Arena nets title and they have stayed true to everything that has been said so far.
Whilst there are some issues wtih the game it is overwhelmingly in a better shape than any game I have ever played at this stage in development.
It also boasts excellent value for money with no subscritption fee's in comparison to the content delivered especially with the longevity that WvW and SPvP bring to the game.
I'd highly recommend just playing on release the game is a one time box purchase only and even if its not perfect for your playstyle its something you can always dip into when you like.
Just to add I played BWE 1 and thought that was good but not great, then played BWE2 and Loved it! the reason for this was I wasn't playing the game properly in the first weekend, in the second it clicked and I got how tactical it can get.
I guess it's the fact the game is so different to other current MMOs. It's b2p, not level or geared based etc which makes it different.
I was already duped by the hype to trying it, I'll never play it again. I'm sure come launch there will be many like me. It won't matter to the developers though, because the game has already been bought.
You're looking for a money-back guarantee? We're just gamers man.
You don't have to live in fear, it's only money.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I dont want to get hung up on the payment method, and if they follow through on their expansion schedule its going to cost $15 a month but in the box price up front, so i dont see much of a money saving payment model, not that it concerns me.
Theres been a lot of promises kept for a lot of games that ended up being over hyped then hated, out of the ones i listed only a few failed with their promises, and only then those broken promises were found AFTER launch..
This is why i posed this question...its easy to say ANet is following all their promises prior to launch, there were people who said the same exact thing about AoC and we all know what happend once the game launched and people left the wonderful area of tortage.
What makes it different this time that going to allow this game to retain its hype past that first month and past the point of being at endgame (which is usually the make or break moment for mmorpgs and often goes untested untill well after launch)
Also, IceWhite...missed the point by a long shot...
Personally, I think GW2 is the best MMORPG to come out since WoW. But not everyone is going to like this game. It is not a niche game by any means, but nothing appeals to everyone.
As for your post, there are TONS of posts on this forums explaining what is good about GW2, and I've written some of them, so I'm not going to write them again in another thread
. If you like the game, great. If not, then hopefully a game you like will come out soon.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
There is nothing different about this hype. It will be a good game, but not near they hype. I too will be avoiding launch (mainly because I have a gigantic steam sale backlog). But honestly it has nice features and it's b2p but nothing ground breaking and not as good as they hype, but you won't be shamed from buying it.
You could stand to separate Anet's promises from gamer's yackyack, I think. Most of the "hype" you hear, about any game, didn't originate with the company.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Wouldn't be the first time.
But you seem to be making a fairly standard anti-hype OP, so far. Is there something unusual about it, or will the standard answers suffice?
Let's start with a promise the company made, that you feel a potential to be betrayed by?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Can only speak for self but no hype here. I played the game and really like it. I'm not an old school mmo player so I can't speak of the history of this genre from a beta/hype perspective. I think the best thing's they have done is not they added but took away a bunch of the pitfalls of the genre, such as kill/item stealing for example which I have experienced in the few mmo's I've played. If you don't get why people are hyped for it than it probably doesn't appeal to you as much as them and there's nothing wrong with that. I know you play tsw and I enjoy that game as well but for different reasons, I'm a very varied game player, Steetfighter, halo,civs,rockband and many more...
I know it sound's short sighted but gw2 is one of my favorite game's at the moment.After playing three beta events on little sleep and take out it left me with withdrawel symptoms similair to extacy where the next day your just kind of depressed you can't play anymore. Not that I take extacy. lol....
Still looking for where all this "hype" is outside of sites dedicated to MMORPGs. Untill I see it, I call troll bs.
Would you consider GW2 to be under-hyped?
I don't believe "hype" is a real thing. Obviously some here do (since people that like to bash a game they dont plan on playing uses it as an excuse not to like it). All I want is a couple of links to sites that dont cover mmo's exclusively "hyping" up gw2. Linking one artical on gamespy doesnt count.. linking the front page of gamespy or someone simular that shows a few GW2 articals and hype does.
I say it cant be done.. prove me wrong and I will admitt that "hype" is real and not something made up.
I dont want to get hung up on the payment method, and if they follow through on their expansion schedule its going to cost $15 a month but in the box price up front, so i dont see much of a money saving payment model, not that it concerns me.
Not to get hung up on that part either but thinking about other mmo's a lot of the time you get a box price and a subscription for larger expansions so I don't see your point here. Guild Wars 2 willl also have a live team developing free updates after launch as confirmed by arena net.
Theres been a lot of promises kept for a lot of games that ended up being over hyped then hated, out of the ones i listed only a few failed with their promises, and only then those broken promises were found AFTER launch..This is why i posed this question...its easy to say ANet is following all their promises prior to launch, there were people who said the same exact thing about AoC and we all know what happend once the game launched and people left the wonderful area of tortage.What makes it different this time that going to allow this game to retain its hype past that first month and past the point of being at endgame (which is usually the make or break moment for mmorpgs and often goes untested untill well after launch)
Ok I rolled that all into one basically your saying we have only played up to LEVEL 35 pve content therefore how do we know we are not being "Tortaged"
Brilliant questions I'd have just come out with that from the off. My answer as to why this time is different is the content to me takes a second stage to the combat mechanics and the diversity of utility between classes. For me the number one reason I have loved every second of my GW2 experience so far is that if I shoot an arrow at enemy A and enemy B walks in between he gets hit. The game does not resolve everything in the background you have to look into the field of view and take your eyes away from the action bars and meters.
In terms of the longevity and experience after launch, I can say that from WvW I can see a rediculous level of complexity that will arise from this game mode that will suck in most of my time. The only area I have to blindly put faith is in the higher level zones that they are there and that they are fully fleshed out.
The reason I am willing to put my faith into this is that the rest of the game has givern no cause for concerns across the board and there is no subscription fee therefore I won't be suckered into paying a quarter of the box price every month to carry on. I'd also say that structured PVP is enough of a game of its own right to justify the box price.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????
Where is this coming from? GW 1 or is like he's been in the future and haven't told anyone?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
it dont feel like hype to me it feels like people are just saying what its like
any negitive comments are actualy mostly disinfo 50% of them are spouting on about the cash shop a few dont like how the game play is but you cant please eveyone all the time
from my own point of view there hasnt been a game as good as this since wow and it is even better than wow
it really dose feel special my only problem i keep asking my self how can it be this good when will the bad stuff happen
the cash shopis one thing they could balls up but as long as they dont sell super weapons or armour and things are only xp boosts dyes and character/bag slots and skins then it should be ok
i do have some feelings it might be empty after lvl 30 maybe do a AOC
but as i dont know i just got to have faith just like everyone else has to do in all other mmo's
but from what ive seen its close to t he best if not the best in graphics and gameplay ,questing and anything else ive ever seen in any mmo it also has the fewest bugs ive ever seen
so from my own point of view this is simply the best mmo to be comming out with out a sub fee i fail to see any problem with it
I don't like the word hype. Anyway, among mmorpg fans then yeah GW2 is certainly well known.
Outside of mmorpg players and sites like this one, it really isn't that known of a game.
Personally I have difficulty with "hype" at all. Mainly, it's because they're not making all these promises while blowing sunshine up our arses hoping we won't see the pile of crap in the shadows... everything they've said will be in the game so far has been in the game. Plus, it's just so freakin' different, and it feels (again personal opinion) like someone finally got it right. I've spent my time raiding in WoW up to and through Lich King, and at that point I just simply realized I wasn't having fun and one day stopped logging in. Period. But this game... it's just fun! All the things that lead to a severe case of WoW ennui are gone. PvE isn't competitive... I actually like seeing someone else come along to an area I'm at running events, farming materials, etc. (When was the last time a stranger coming by in PvE was a good thing?) I like no longer having to seek out quest givers in hubs, instead having the "quests" (events) come to be instead (whether I'm ready or not!). I like that the ungodly gear treadmill is dead. Oh man, I'm still better about losing that crit trinket to that ret pally...
I like that there are no roles. No more pigeonholing into one and only one job in a dungeon... instead I actually need to learn my skills and the effects they have (damage, control and/or supporting aspects). Plus this all adds up to a flowing, active combat system that practically has me dancing through combat on my mesmer (at least in my mind). Everything so far for me has gelled into a ridiculously enjoyable experience.
But... that's my opinion based on my own experience. Your mileage may vary. But, whatever game you're playing, consider whether or not you're ready for something flat out different. If you even pause and think "maybe" it just may be worth a serious look.
Oderint, dum metuant.
And that is the point. It is like saying Andrew Luck is over hyped in Indy. As a Packer fan I don't hear much about him, and if you don't follow the NFL you have no clue WHO he is.. but in one little market he is all that is talked about.
No i really dont think they are going to pull an AoC where theres just mobs and a few quests after the early levels, the game will be finished when its launched i can gurantee that.
My concern, endgame. Makes or breaks every mmorpg that comes out. The game has fast progression, no gear grind...so whats going to keep people at endgame?
Im sure an expansion will answer this, however, would be a first if people were able to accept no real endgame.
This is why im going to wait untill after launch to hop in. I really hate playing games with downers who hate the game they are in...no sub might make that part interesting.
I really think the games going to be just a good version of warhammer, which ill like for sure, i just dont think a huge portion of the people ont his bandwagon will feel the same way a few weeks after launch.
The main difference is a fairly obvious one.
'Hype' in the most used definitions of the word, refers to artificially inflated / distorted positive reaction to something, generated by marketting tactics. Or, to put it another way, 'hype' is when a marketting agency deliberately feeds the public skewed / false information in order to generate interest for a product. It's manipulation on a corporate lvl.
Why is this 'hype' different?
- Because it's entirely generated by fans. It's not generated by some CGI trailer with no gameplay. It's not generated by Anet promising features that we haven't seen yet. With a few minor exceptions (spectator mode), Anet has delivered on what they've promised. That's why people are excited.
We don't have hype based off of some promised epic battle (SWTOR, AoC). We don't have hype off of these promised 'massive cities that will all feel alive', or 'public quests that will change the way questing works' (WAR). Everything that was promised for this game is in there, and people have played it. It's not as much hype, as it is excitement, to finally have a game that's delivering on it's promises.
Last game we really had that did that was Rift, and that's because it didn't really promise all that much.
Can somebody make a copy-pasteable post for all those "what's so special with GW2 ?" threads ?
edit : Derpybird's one below might be an excellent contender.
***** Before hitting that reply button, please READ the WHOLE thread you're about to post in *****
Its the same phenomina that happend with all the games i listed on my OP. At the time the same was said for all those games, "its not hype because we played it in beta and it was fantastic!"
People played all those other games and came to the same conclusion people are arriving at for GW2. Thats why im asking why its different this time around. Unless everyone was playing endgame in BW3 im fairly certain thats a major part of the game people havent played.
It is clear from prior posts that you are very happy with your experience with TSW.
It is also clear that you do not have a favorable opinion of GW2.
So what would be the point of this thread?
Are you hoping to be convinced that your assumptions about GW2 are wrong? Or are you trying to get people who enjoy GW2 to somehow not enjoy it? Or to warn them that they will be let down, as seems to be the new theme among the more negative posts at this point? I keep hearing this "It may be good now but wait 3 weeks until the servers are empty" predictions.
I don't think that anyone who likes GW2 thinks it is without flaws. That's what the community gets accused of when someone makes negative or uniformed statements about the game and players say "I disagree" or "I have a different opinion". Sure there may be some "superfans" but every game has those, from what I've seen on this board even TSW has some.
In my opinion, a lot of this so-called "hype" is based off of real experiences in-game. Not everyone likes it, that's fine. Some folks that had negative feelings played the beta and changed their minds and purchased. Some folks played the beta and got bored, but ANet allows those folks to get a refund. So what's the problem?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Are you kidding? GW2 is frequently on the front page of Youtube because of people such as the Yogscast covering it. It has also been all over Reddit, there's even a sub forum for it.
There is a student forum I frequent and even that site, a site which is usually filled with party boy fools who don't know what an MMO is has had threads about GW2.
You can go to other game websites like SWTOR and Archeage, there's people there making threads about how much better GW2 is.
I could go on and on