PCi E, and AGP

Vampir · September 2005

ok i was looking to upgrade my comp and i know the two competing lines are PCI-E and AGP.

currently i think(might not be entirely sure) that my motherboard only has agp. but i want a motherboard that supports both of them so when one comes out a winner i can pick.

is their such a motherboard?

btw this is vampyr(yes ive been gone for a while, because i got bored with the internet and was basically offline until 4 weeks ago)

Defect · September 2005

Umm...when one comes out a winner? PCI-E is the clear winner, but is it required at this point? No. The simple answer is go PCI-E to be better geared for the future, or AGP to save a few bucks. Personally, I would get an AGP card, since going PCI-E has no advantages for the short term, and you would have to spend more for the PCI-E card, as well as have to buy another motherboard costing about $150. If you have the cash, go the PCI-E route, otherwise just stick to AGP.

Razorback · September 2005

As I understand it (and Im still on AGP), there is no need to have both. Im pretty sure there are boards that do have both, but I think PCIe basically makes AGP more or less redundant in terms of performance.

I have been looking at this board for a while and Im prolly gonna go this way around xmas (treat myself)

http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8NXP-SLI.htm

But I dont think you need both, you just need to keep in mind that you will need to dice your AGP vid card and buy a PCIe one...

Sackynut · September 2005

trust me you want PCIe, it actually does improve gameplay a tiny bit even currently. there are boards with both but they cost a crap load of money, and if you have that kind of money to get that motherboard and both an AGP and PCIe card, then i would spend that money on a SLI computer. u get two cards at once, and its PCIe so highly upgradable.

Vampir · September 2005

im not gonna run both i just want to be able to not have to buy a new motherboard say if AGP becomes more popular or better then PCi-E or vice versa i just want the ability to choose between the two whenever i upgrade

seabass2003 · September 2005

From the research that ive done it looks like AGP is on its way out, also there are cheap PCI-E video cards out there, also I found a motherboard for around $100 that has Nforce 4 SLI. Go to newegg.com, they also have people there that answer questions

Sackynut · September 2005

dude AGP isnt gonna get popular. When cellphones came out did pagers get more popular? no. PCIe is a much better technology, it allows cards to transmit data up and downstream and the same time and has a much higher bandwidth. also more, better and newer cards are being developed for the PCIe slot, eg. 7800, x850 etc.. if you have the money i would strongly suggest getting PCIe. AGp as said, is on its way out.

Razorback · September 2005

Originally posted by Sackynut

dude AGP isnt gonna get popular. When cellphones came out did pagers get more popular?

Good analogy

Elapsed · September 2005

The newest cards from ATI (X1800) and Nvidia (7800 GTX) are ONLY offered in PCI Express form. So, there already is a winner, PCI Express.

Vampir · September 2005

ok then what is the preferable PCI-E compatable motherboards?

note i hate intel with a burning passion and love my 64 bit processor.

SLI is something ide like on the motherboard but not necessarily something im gonna use.

so what are the best models?

Phoenixs · September 2005

Pci E is the way to go. I think it's about 16 times faster than a agp port. In about a year or so there won't be made any more agp cards, so if you upgrade your computer now you just have to take Pci E.

For the motherboard I would suggest a MSI board. I have one myself and it's fast, reliable and it works 100%. No problems with it yet. I think Abit has some good motherboards too.
About SLI you must remember it's for nVidia only. So if you want 2 cards they have to be nVidia. I don't know if you can put a single Ati card in it or not. You should atleast find out about it before you buy.
Ati has just released crossfire.

guy232 · September 2005

what ever you get make sure it wasnot made by ATI. My pc had some wierd ass hybrid card installed by them its built into the motherboard. its from the Xpress200 series. go for the geforce card I hear they one of the few that give max quality but thats justmy opinion

scaramoosh · September 2005

PCIE = Fraps video recording friendly

Elapsed · September 2005

Well you're going to want an nForce 4 motherboard. As for a specific model, if you aren't interested in overclocking, I would say it doesn't really matter. Just get a cheapest one you can find. For example, this is the cheapest I found on Newegg. Don't let cheapest scare you, it will be perfectly reliable if you are running stock.

If overclocking is your thing, DFI would be my top choice. Abit, and MSI are also good. Again if you aren't doing anything but running stock, don't bother paying extra for these "good" boards. They are only "good" because they offer advanced features and handle overclocks well. An average person would see no difference running a stock DFI against that cheap one on Newegg. I admit technically if you ran a benchmark the DFI board would probably come out a frame or two faster, but it is not worth the extra cash at all. You won't notice a 1 to 2 frame rate increase.

scaramoosh · September 2005

Originally posted by -Jaguar-

Well you're going to want an nForce 4 motherboard. As for a specific model, if you aren't interested in overclocking, I would say it doesn't really matter. Just get a cheapest one you can find. For example, this is the cheapest I found on Newegg. Don't let cheapest scare you, it will be perfectly reliable if you are running stock.
If overclocking is your thing, DFI would be my top choice. Abit, and MSI are also good. Again if you aren't doing anything but running stock, don't bother paying extra for these "good" boards. They are only "good" because they offer advanced features and handle overclocks well. An average person would see no difference running a stock DFI against that cheap one on Newegg. I admit technically if you ran a benchmark the DFI board would probably come out a frame or two faster, but it is not worth the extra cash at all. You won't notice a 1 to 2 frame rate increase.

Isn't Nforce 5 out soon?

Djin · September 2005

Originally posted by Sackynut

trust me you want PCIe, it actually does improve gameplay a tiny bit even currently. there are boards with both but they cost a crap load of money, and if you have that kind of money to get that motherboard and both an AGP and PCIe card, then i would spend that money on a SLI computer. u get two cards at once, and its PCIe so highly upgradable.

Not only does it give you faster bus speeds, but a lot of video cards are going to be made for PCIe only in the near future.

seabass2003 · September 2005

I did a little checking up on what scaramoosh said about nforce 5, true its coming out shortly but its basically an nforce 4 but for intel only, looks like intel is playing catchup to amd this round, also in the same article ATI is coming out with its own SLI chipset, other people might know more about this since i only took 5 minutes on google to find this out

Djin · September 2005

Originally posted by seabass2003
I did a little checking up on what scaramoosh said about nforce 5, true its coming out shortly but its basically an nforce 4 but for intel only, looks like intel is playing catchup to amd this round, also in the same article ATI is coming out with its own SLI chipset, other people might know more about this since i only took 5 minutes on google to find this out

ATI's answer to SLI is "Crossfire". Here is a good side-by-side of SLI vs Crossfire.

Also Nvidia is catching up with Intel by making new motherboards that will finally support DDR2 RAM.

scaramoosh · September 2005

Originally posted by Djin

Originally posted by seabass2003
I did a little checking up on what scaramoosh said about nforce 5, true its coming out shortly but its basically an nforce 4 but for intel only, looks like intel is playing catchup to amd this round, also in the same article ATI is coming out with its own SLI chipset, other people might know more about this since i only took 5 minutes on google to find this out

ATI's answer to SLI is "Crossfire". Here is a good side-by-side of SLI vs Crossfire.

Also Nvidia is catching up with Intel by making new motherboards that will finally support DDR2 RAM.

What i've been saying all along :S

x850PE crossfire nearly matches 7800 SLI in all games being like 3/5 FPs below :P Apart from in OpenGL games and running on Lunix ofcorse :P

Also the x850PE crossfire beats the 7800sli in EQ2

grimweeper · September 2005

PCIE its sorta obvious, higher bus speeds double of AGP, and dual video cards only work on them, and if AGP becomes popular the slot will change in order to achive higher performance (just like pci to pcie) so AGP is out.

PCIE all the way baby.

Oh yea how do you get bored of the internet??

Sackynut · September 2005

Originally posted by Phoenixs
Pci E is the way to go. I think it's about 16 times faster than a agp port.

umm lol not exactly. the bandwidth of a PCIe port is 16x, and the bandwidth of AGP 8x is, well, 8x. first of all. its not 16 tiems faster, only 2 times. (8*2=16). but PCIe cards arent even there yet. they havnt fully reaches being able to use the 16x bandwidth in games yet.

grimweeper · September 2005

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