this is a pretty stupid question im sure.... but umm who the fk plays video games with a touch screen @_@"; last time i checked not many games cerca 1990-2012 had touch screen support.... unless it was a smart phone game.......
sooooo why the fk would anyone buy win8 for gaming least of all right out of the box without the several months/years of patching???
as far as i am aware the best 2 windows right now are Win XP and Win 7.. no reason to upgrade from those
windows 8 works just fine with keyboard and mouse... although after testing it for a month or so still don't really see any reason to upgrade from 7..
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"Which would you get and why? The Windows 8 release is coming in a few months, and it will be touch based, but it will still support desktops and laptops. Would you will get it?"
As far as I'm aware the new OS offers no clear advantages to my computing needs. Since NT 4 I made it a habit to never, under any circumstances, install a new OS on release. By the time service packs are out and the glaring bugs have subsided MS will have created Windowes 9 which will address all the screw-ups in Windows 8.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy. ______________________________ "This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Actually when you spend more than a couple days using it, and you learn where all the hotspots are, you are cruising right along. The search feature for the start menu still works in Windows 8. Just hit the windows key -> type the name of your program. You can customize your start menu (Windows 8 UI) so that all of your most used programs are grouped together.
For the most part, it functions exactly like Windows 7. There's a bit more reliance of keyboard shortcuts for efficiency, or one of the new touch mice that will be released from MS.
It boots faster than Windows 7, and it runs a little bit faster. When you are copying files, you can now pause the copying/deleting process. The task manager has been improved. The backup feature has been improved. Security has been improved. So far, Windows 8 has been the only OS to not be hacked at blackhat. You can also routinely reset/refresh Windows 8 if your HD is just becoming a little too cluttered.
You also get access to the app store, which may end up having some interesting apps released.
However, other than those things, it's pretty much up to you to upgrade. The upgrade when it's released is only $40, and it actually runs very well, a little better than Windows 7. I've read that some people have had FPS improvements for some games in Windows 8 vs Windows 7, but those are only a few cases and I can't confirm it. I can say that it is a very good OS, contrary to what people want to tell you. You just have to get use to the changes, and relearn how to do some things.
My advice, don't listen to those bashing um...what isn't being called metro anymore, merely because it's not the start menu. The what-isnt-metro-anymore works exactly like your start menu, except it's a little improved. And really, when you open your start menu now, you're focusing on the start menu. What does it matter that it takes up the entire screen or only part of it.
The Windows 8 UI (better name for it since we can't use metro anymore) does have some benefits. If you want to see the recent headlines, current weather/temperature outside, financial information, etc., the UI is actually pretty useful. I can see a lot of the right on the tile. If I want to know more, I can just click on it. Since Windows 8 handles memory differently, you never have to worry about closing an app.
I should mention, the left hand side of the screen has a hidden menu where you can access recently visited metro apps. In addition, alt-tab and windows-tab still works. I have also found the charms bar to be pretty handy. I can access search, current devices (such as printers), settings, and more things right from there.
I'd advise you to download it and install it on a partition or something like virtual machine. Just remember, if you install it on virtual machine, the performance will be a little worse as you are also running Windows 7 in the background. And give it more than a 2 minute overview. Actually use it for a few weeks, and you may come to like it. And very old machines appear to be able to handle it (I've seen machines from midlife XP area able to handle Windows 8). So if you have an old machine that needs some life put back into it, Windows 8 may be a good option.
As I said, contrary to what people want you to think, it's not a bad OS. It's just different than what you are used to. In fact, if you are in the market for a new computer, I'd advise you to wait and see what the OEMs come out with in the coming year. I've seen some very interesting products that combine touch and keyboard/mice/trackpad.
Originally posted by Quizzical And how many of them will be ported back to Windows 7, anyway? If IE10 doesn't, then that would be like telling everyone who still uses IE but isn't upgrading to Windows 8 immediately that they should switch browsers. Unless, of course, they're still using IE6.
If DX11 was a big deal and got ported back to Vista, I'd somewhat expect DX 11.1 to be available for Windows 7 and Vista, too. If not, it's dead on arrival.
Currently, DX11.1 is not slated to be back-ported to Win7/Vista. It is a relatively minor feature set though (not like the jump from DX9.0 to 9.0c). It is not hardware compatible with 11.0 (basically only the latest generation cards have it currently). I wouldn't expect it to even make a ripple ~unless~ the next gen XBox720/PS4 use the feature set - in which case we can expect ~eventually~ that we'll see that support bleed over into the PC. But that timetable would be several years away - the next gen consoles need to ship first, and developers have to update their own programming libraries before they could start shipping titles. By that time, we very well could be on Win9 (or later).
The biggest features in DX11.1 are API-level stereoscopic 3D support (which unifies nVidia and AMD's current driver-level support), and an updated data structure that can be shared between Shader and DirectCompute use (UAVs). That's about it.
IE10 is slated to go backwards to Win7, but not Vista/XP.
I personaly don't see a reason to upgrade, i will keep w7 until 9 is released, then ill consider if an upgrade is reasonable. Touch screen is the big upgrade with w8, it do have other upgrades but touch screen is the big feature in this windows and since i dont use a screen like that i do not see a reason to upgrade it.
If i ever get a touch screen ill deffently buy w8 for it.
There will always be instruction optimization changes going from 1 OS to the next. Although nothing may have appeared to have changes, some things have. For instance if you are using a bulldozer processor, it will run better on Windows 8 because the instruction set to use it is there. There are also some changes to how the OS handles GPGPU bound operations.
Originally posted by kenkyle236 Which would you get and why? The Windows 8 release is coming in a few months, and it will be touch based, but it will still support desktops and laptops. Would you will get it?
Windows 8. When apps and games are "metro only" you have no choice but to upgrade anyway.
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this is a pretty stupid question im sure.... but umm who the fk plays video games with a touch screen @_@"; last time i checked not many games cerca 1990-2012 had touch screen support.... unless it was a smart phone game.......
sooooo why the fk would anyone buy win8 for gaming least of all right out of the box without the several months/years of patching???
as far as i am aware the best 2 windows right now are Win XP and Win 7.. no reason to upgrade from those
windows 8 works just fine with keyboard and mouse... although after testing it for a month or so still don't really see any reason to upgrade from 7..
maybe so. but the fact remains the whole selling point of Win8 is the touch screen support/use.... which still bags the question ... who the hell would buy/upgrade to win8 for gaming looking at what it offers .. seems pointless to upgrade to it and use a M/KB thats like buying a wireless playstation and using a wired controller... seems like a waste of money.
unless im missing something win8 sounds like an OS geared towards compnaies who use touch screens for sales. which if you look at it that way, its a decent OS...
still no reason to upgrade from XP or win7 to it for gaming at home though IMO
Originally posted by AvsRock21 There is a regular desktop available in Windows 8. It's not only the tiles... The problem is, the regular desktop version of Windows 8 looks the same as Windows 7. For gaming I see no real benefits from Windows 8. I haven't heard anything about DirectX 12 being available on Windows 8 only, so lets hope we will get it on Windows 7 too.
Actually, No. There is a desktop with a bottom BAR that you can attach shortcuts to. But there is no Start menu like you have in previous versions. The start, which is hidden until you mouse over the bottom left corner, takes you back to the metro interface.
In order to get the 'Start button' to show and act as classic, you have to install third party software. I read a few articles that MS is doing away with the traditional START interface.
Originally posted by kenkyle236 Which would you get and why? The Windows 8 release is coming in a few months, and it will be touch based, but it will still support desktops and laptops. Would you will get it?
Windows 8. When apps and games are "metro only" you have no choice but to upgrade anyway.
DirectX 11 was a huge deal. It launched nearly three years ago. And how many DX11-only games are there today? Are there any at all?
Why would anyone make a game Metro-only? Unlike DirectX 11, Metro doesn't offer any advantages for games. If Metro sticks and the world loves it, then maybe ten years from now, you think about making a game Metro only. But by then, whatever machine you buy today would have been long since replaced.
Originally posted by AvsRock21 There is a regular desktop available in Windows 8. It's not only the tiles... The problem is, the regular desktop version of Windows 8 looks the same as Windows 7. For gaming I see no real benefits from Windows 8. I haven't heard anything about DirectX 12 being available on Windows 8 only, so lets hope we will get it on Windows 7 too.
Actually, No. There is a desktop with a bottom BAR that you can attach shortcuts to. But there is no Start menu like you have in previous versions. The start, which is hidden until you mouse over the bottom left corner, takes you back to the metro interface.
In order to get the 'Start button' to show and act as classic, you have to install third party software. I read a few articles that MS is doing away with the traditional START interface.
It's the same desktop interface you've been using. It's the exact same. When you do most of your work in the desktop, the Windows 8 UI essentially becomes your start menu. You can customize it so that your most used programs are categorized. Searching is a lot better. You can search within apps, for apps, for documents, etc.. It functions the exact same as your start menu, except maybe with a different click now.
If you need to access all programs
Windows key (or bottom left corner as always) -> right click -> all programs -> scroll to find your program. It's actually the same number of click, as your programs aren't shown as folders in Windows 8 UI.
I tried Windows 8 for a few weeks now. One reason being I got crashes with Windows in both GW2 and TSW. Now I figured before hand that most likely a heating problem, but there where problems regarding Windows Vista and 7 with concerns to the error messages they gave me so I tried Windows 8. Now I also got them in Windows 8 so it confirmed that it was a heating problem. I kept Windows 8 for a bit longer due to the crashes being less frequent. Now last week I resolved the heating problem so today I finally bothered to go back to Windows 7.
In Windows 8 I got low 30 to high 20 fps in TSW
In Windows 7 I'm getting a stable 40 fps
I will try GW2 during the Stress Test to see if I got5 an increase there also, since last Stress test I tried. I got 30 and 40 fps then.
I'm sure some of the issues I have with Windows 8 will be solved before it is released, but MS stubborness to shift completely to metro style desktop just annoyed me. So doubt I will switch over to Win 8 or its successor until I'm forced to.
I won't get Windows 8 because of them diabling the ability to not use the "Metro UI" look. I don't like the look on Windows phones either, though it makes a litter more sense there. I can't stand to look at it.
I'll go back to using unix only again. I used nothing but FreeBSD -stable (CVSup FTW) for years. The only reason I came back to Windows was game support(yes I know about WINE and such...it's not quite up to par still) Well, now there aren't really games I want to play that require Windows. And with STEAM looking to support Linux more, I'll wait it out instead of dropping big money on Windows(yes I know about buying OEM copies).
[edit] In the added poll, what does "Windows 8 isn't my site." mean? Was that supposed to be style? Or maybe scene?[/edit]
to all you who are stating that win 8 will not be good for gaming and are basing this off of bench marks needs there heads examed. bench marking vs reworld proformance is inconclusive and can not be compaired. ive ran games on 8 during the preview and had zereo issues, also if you do plan on doing some REAL gaming cheap graphis cards are a nono. $150 for a card vs $300+ ya right. there is NOT any posable way to get the same proformance out of a $150 card vs a $300+ one.
but I have noted that you WILL NEED current hardware to run this OS as I tested this on a 680i motherboard with a core 2 duo and the OS keepted locking up the machine. it probley needed to be patched but I dought folks with old setups such as the old amd 939 mainboards could run this.
but atm MS is not releasing pricing info for its retale release and not even to the computer manufactures. so I dough this will be a big seller.
Windows 8 is engineered to fail . Desktop users and/or non touchscreen users have been disregarded as irrelevant . Its too soon for that , and MS will pay the price . If Linux ever gets some gaming love , then everybody will jump onboard . The time is now and I hope someone will take advantage .....
Originally posted by Sanguinelust Probably not right away. All the focus on touch screens and me still uising a keyboard and mouse, I think I'll wait to see what it's like from real users first. If there's no problems I'll upgrade but I'm not going to be Microsofts guinea pig right at release this time around.
This + waiting for proper drivers from everyone I need them from (I use some high-end, perhaps obscure products).
All that touch BS sounds like more bloat we don't need. But I will, of course, reserve judgment until I have a crack at it.. which I am not in any hurry to have.
Originally posted by stefanakisgr Windows 8 is engineered to fail . Desktop users and/or non touchscreen users have been disregarded as irrelevant . Its too soon for that , and MS will pay the price . If Linux ever gets some gaming love , then everybody will jump onboard . The time is now and I hope someone will take advantage .....
I disagree with the Linux statement.
Gaming tried to come to Linux. There was a time when there were some major studios developing for Linux - id and Bungie just to name a couple. A lot of indie developers still publish for Linux.
There are really two key problems with Linux.
One is the community - and I don't mean this in a negative light. Most of the community are really good people, knowledgeable, and for the most part key to help and promote the cause of Open Source and Linux. But they are also very fractious and stick to their principles. Some distributions won't allow any software that isn't open source (which eliminates a lot of for-profit software and even hampers drivers for hardware, especially graphics cards). Other nice "debates" include KDE vs Gnome vs Xfce (which really hampers the development of something similar to DirectX, since you never know what Window Manager your software will be running on). Driver deployment is a nightmare (ask anyone who has tried to use an ATI card with X-Windows and enable accelerated support, which is needed for gaming). The community embraces open source, and open standards, but that makes it really hard for developers to get behind a single stable, consistent standard. Windows had the luxury of their 90+% adoption rate, and then further enforced it for gaming with DirectX so that developers had a common API to work with, that was driver independent (more or less). The Linux community is one that embraces diversity, and game development (as an industry) is largely one that wraps itself around a common standard.
The other problem is that Linux is (often) free. Most of the software for Linux is also free. Open source doesn't necessarily mean "Free", but by and large most of it is, and a lot of it is extremely high quality. That makes it really hard for a for-profit software developer to convince Linux users to pay for their software, when a lot of times a free equivalent exists. Even if your software is by and large superior to anything else offered, it's still hard to overcome a culture where information (and thus, software) is considered to be free and should be widely shared.
Really, If you move and hover your mouse to the right of the screen and click "Power" you can select shutdown, restart and the rest .... learn the functionalities of an OS before you start talking about it.
Originally posted by terrant Been playing with the demo build..8 is very clearly designed for smartphones and tablets first, traditional PCs second. It's not bad, and it does seem a little easier on the resources, but there's certain functions that are clunky without a tocuh screen (oh, and you have to make a shortcut to shut down your PC, lolz)
Really, If you move and hover your mouse to the right of the screen and click "Power" you can select shutdown, restart and the rest .... learn the functionality of an OS before you start talking about it.
I have 7 now, not too big on the new design, but I am not against getting it. Iam debating getting a windows 8 cell phone when they come out, since I use the zune music service ($15/mo, 10 free songs a month, its 9.99 now and no free songs I think, if you don't have an old account). So If I do decide to get the phone, it may add funcionality, or may not...
Originally posted by terrant Been playing with the demo build..8 is very clearly designed for smartphones and tablets first, traditional PCs second. It's not bad, and it does seem a little easier on the resources, but there's certain functions that are clunky without a tocuh screen (oh, and you have to make a shortcut to shut down your PC, lolz)
Really, If you move and hover your mouse to the right of the screen and click "Power" you can select shutdown, restart and the rest .... learn the functionality of an OS before you start talking about it.
power isn't on that menu but settings is if you click settings you will see power there, the shortcuts when moving your mouse to the right of the screen are search, share, start, devices and settings
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
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windows 8 works just fine with keyboard and mouse... although after testing it for a month or so still don't really see any reason to upgrade from 7..
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
"Which would you get and why? The Windows 8 release is coming in a few months, and it will be touch based, but it will still support desktops and laptops. Would you will get it?"
As far as I'm aware the new OS offers no clear advantages to my computing needs. Since NT 4 I made it a habit to never, under any circumstances, install a new OS on release. By the time service packs are out and the glaring bugs have subsided MS will have created Windowes 9 which will address all the screw-ups in Windows 8.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
______________________________
"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
Actually when you spend more than a couple days using it, and you learn where all the hotspots are, you are cruising right along. The search feature for the start menu still works in Windows 8. Just hit the windows key -> type the name of your program. You can customize your start menu (Windows 8 UI) so that all of your most used programs are grouped together.
For the most part, it functions exactly like Windows 7. There's a bit more reliance of keyboard shortcuts for efficiency, or one of the new touch mice that will be released from MS.
It boots faster than Windows 7, and it runs a little bit faster. When you are copying files, you can now pause the copying/deleting process. The task manager has been improved. The backup feature has been improved. Security has been improved. So far, Windows 8 has been the only OS to not be hacked at blackhat. You can also routinely reset/refresh Windows 8 if your HD is just becoming a little too cluttered.
You also get access to the app store, which may end up having some interesting apps released.
However, other than those things, it's pretty much up to you to upgrade. The upgrade when it's released is only $40, and it actually runs very well, a little better than Windows 7. I've read that some people have had FPS improvements for some games in Windows 8 vs Windows 7, but those are only a few cases and I can't confirm it. I can say that it is a very good OS, contrary to what people want to tell you. You just have to get use to the changes, and relearn how to do some things.
My advice, don't listen to those bashing um...what isn't being called metro anymore, merely because it's not the start menu. The what-isnt-metro-anymore works exactly like your start menu, except it's a little improved. And really, when you open your start menu now, you're focusing on the start menu. What does it matter that it takes up the entire screen or only part of it.
The Windows 8 UI (better name for it since we can't use metro anymore) does have some benefits. If you want to see the recent headlines, current weather/temperature outside, financial information, etc., the UI is actually pretty useful. I can see a lot of the right on the tile. If I want to know more, I can just click on it. Since Windows 8 handles memory differently, you never have to worry about closing an app.
I should mention, the left hand side of the screen has a hidden menu where you can access recently visited metro apps. In addition, alt-tab and windows-tab still works. I have also found the charms bar to be pretty handy. I can access search, current devices (such as printers), settings, and more things right from there.
I'd advise you to download it and install it on a partition or something like virtual machine. Just remember, if you install it on virtual machine, the performance will be a little worse as you are also running Windows 7 in the background. And give it more than a 2 minute overview. Actually use it for a few weeks, and you may come to like it. And very old machines appear to be able to handle it (I've seen machines from midlife XP area able to handle Windows 8). So if you have an old machine that needs some life put back into it, Windows 8 may be a good option.
As I said, contrary to what people want you to think, it's not a bad OS. It's just different than what you are used to. In fact, if you are in the market for a new computer, I'd advise you to wait and see what the OEMs come out with in the coming year. I've seen some very interesting products that combine touch and keyboard/mice/trackpad.
Currently, DX11.1 is not slated to be back-ported to Win7/Vista. It is a relatively minor feature set though (not like the jump from DX9.0 to 9.0c). It is not hardware compatible with 11.0 (basically only the latest generation cards have it currently). I wouldn't expect it to even make a ripple ~unless~ the next gen XBox720/PS4 use the feature set - in which case we can expect ~eventually~ that we'll see that support bleed over into the PC. But that timetable would be several years away - the next gen consoles need to ship first, and developers have to update their own programming libraries before they could start shipping titles. By that time, we very well could be on Win9 (or later).
The biggest features in DX11.1 are API-level stereoscopic 3D support (which unifies nVidia and AMD's current driver-level support), and an updated data structure that can be shared between Shader and DirectCompute use (UAVs). That's about it.
IE10 is slated to go backwards to Win7, but not Vista/XP.
I personaly don't see a reason to upgrade, i will keep w7 until 9 is released, then ill consider if an upgrade is reasonable. Touch screen is the big upgrade with w8, it do have other upgrades but touch screen is the big feature in this windows and since i dont use a screen like that i do not see a reason to upgrade it.
If i ever get a touch screen ill deffently buy w8 for it.
W7.
W8 will be rubbish, at least at the begining. Maybe when SP1 or SP2 are released, W8 will be better.
Windows 8. When apps and games are "metro only" you have no choice but to upgrade anyway.
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
maybe so. but the fact remains the whole selling point of Win8 is the touch screen support/use.... which still bags the question ... who the hell would buy/upgrade to win8 for gaming
looking at what it offers .. seems pointless to upgrade to it and use a M/KB 
thats like buying a wireless playstation and using a wired controller... seems like a waste of money.
unless im missing something win8 sounds like an OS geared towards compnaies who use touch screens for sales. which if you look at it that way, its a decent OS...
still no reason to upgrade from XP or win7 to it for gaming at home though
IMO
Actually, No. There is a desktop with a bottom BAR that you can attach shortcuts to. But there is no Start menu like you have in previous versions. The start, which is hidden until you mouse over the bottom left corner, takes you back to the metro interface.
In order to get the 'Start button' to show and act as classic, you have to install third party software. I read a few articles that MS is doing away with the traditional START interface.
DirectX 11 was a huge deal. It launched nearly three years ago. And how many DX11-only games are there today? Are there any at all?
Why would anyone make a game Metro-only? Unlike DirectX 11, Metro doesn't offer any advantages for games. If Metro sticks and the world loves it, then maybe ten years from now, you think about making a game Metro only. But by then, whatever machine you buy today would have been long since replaced.
It's the same desktop interface you've been using. It's the exact same. When you do most of your work in the desktop, the Windows 8 UI essentially becomes your start menu. You can customize it so that your most used programs are categorized. Searching is a lot better. You can search within apps, for apps, for documents, etc.. It functions the exact same as your start menu, except maybe with a different click now.
If you need to access all programs
Windows key (or bottom left corner as always) -> right click -> all programs -> scroll to find your program. It's actually the same number of click, as your programs aren't shown as folders in Windows 8 UI.
Windows 8 will have social network integration. Farmville and Angry Birds can be launched from desktop. And you have Windows Live Achievements.
MUST HAVE!!1!11!!!!!
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I tried Windows 8 for a few weeks now. One reason being I got crashes with Windows in both GW2 and TSW. Now I figured before hand that most likely a heating problem, but there where problems regarding Windows Vista and 7 with concerns to the error messages they gave me so I tried Windows 8. Now I also got them in Windows 8 so it confirmed that it was a heating problem. I kept Windows 8 for a bit longer due to the crashes being less frequent. Now last week I resolved the heating problem so today I finally bothered to go back to Windows 7.
In Windows 8 I got low 30 to high 20 fps in TSW
In Windows 7 I'm getting a stable 40 fps
I will try GW2 during the Stress Test to see if I got5 an increase there also, since last Stress test I tried. I got 30 and 40 fps then.
I'm sure some of the issues I have with Windows 8 will be solved before it is released, but MS stubborness to shift completely to metro style desktop just annoyed me. So doubt I will switch over to Win 8 or its successor until I'm forced to.
I won't get Windows 8 because of them diabling the ability to not use the "Metro UI" look. I don't like the look on Windows phones either, though it makes a litter more sense there. I can't stand to look at it.
I'll go back to using unix only again. I used nothing but FreeBSD -stable (CVSup FTW) for years. The only reason I came back to Windows was game support(yes I know about WINE and such...it's not quite up to par still) Well, now there aren't really games I want to play that require Windows. And with STEAM looking to support Linux more, I'll wait it out instead of dropping big money on Windows(yes I know about buying OEM copies).
[edit] In the added poll, what does "Windows 8 isn't my site." mean? Was that supposed to be style? Or maybe scene?[/edit]
If you want to try Win 8 you can download the release preview here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download
to all you who are stating that win 8 will not be good for gaming and are basing this off of bench marks needs there heads examed. bench marking vs reworld proformance is inconclusive and can not be compaired. ive ran games on 8 during the preview and had zereo issues, also if you do plan on doing some REAL gaming cheap graphis cards are a nono. $150 for a card vs $300+ ya right. there is NOT any posable way to get the same proformance out of a $150 card vs a $300+ one.
but I have noted that you WILL NEED current hardware to run this OS as I tested this on a 680i motherboard with a core 2 duo and the OS keepted locking up the machine. it probley needed to be patched but I dought folks with old setups such as the old amd 939 mainboards could run this.
but atm MS is not releasing pricing info for its retale release and not even to the computer manufactures. so I dough this will be a big seller.
and NO I WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS OS.
This + waiting for proper drivers from everyone I need them from (I use some high-end, perhaps obscure products).
All that touch BS sounds like more bloat we don't need. But I will, of course, reserve judgment until I have a crack at it.. which I am not in any hurry to have.
I disagree with the Linux statement.
Gaming tried to come to Linux. There was a time when there were some major studios developing for Linux - id and Bungie just to name a couple. A lot of indie developers still publish for Linux.
There are really two key problems with Linux.
One is the community - and I don't mean this in a negative light. Most of the community are really good people, knowledgeable, and for the most part key to help and promote the cause of Open Source and Linux. But they are also very fractious and stick to their principles. Some distributions won't allow any software that isn't open source (which eliminates a lot of for-profit software and even hampers drivers for hardware, especially graphics cards). Other nice "debates" include KDE vs Gnome vs Xfce (which really hampers the development of something similar to DirectX, since you never know what Window Manager your software will be running on). Driver deployment is a nightmare (ask anyone who has tried to use an ATI card with X-Windows and enable accelerated support, which is needed for gaming). The community embraces open source, and open standards, but that makes it really hard for developers to get behind a single stable, consistent standard. Windows had the luxury of their 90+% adoption rate, and then further enforced it for gaming with DirectX so that developers had a common API to work with, that was driver independent (more or less). The Linux community is one that embraces diversity, and game development (as an industry) is largely one that wraps itself around a common standard.
The other problem is that Linux is (often) free. Most of the software for Linux is also free. Open source doesn't necessarily mean "Free", but by and large most of it is, and a lot of it is extremely high quality. That makes it really hard for a for-profit software developer to convince Linux users to pay for their software, when a lot of times a free equivalent exists. Even if your software is by and large superior to anything else offered, it's still hard to overcome a culture where information (and thus, software) is considered to be free and should be widely shared.
Really, If you move and hover your mouse to the right of the screen and click "Power" you can select shutdown, restart and the rest .... learn the functionalities of an OS before you start talking about it.
Really, If you move and hover your mouse to the right of the screen and click "Power" you can select shutdown, restart and the rest .... learn the functionality of an OS before you start talking about it.
I have 7 now, not too big on the new design, but I am not against getting it. Iam debating getting a windows 8 cell phone when they come out, since I use the zune music service ($15/mo, 10 free songs a month, its 9.99 now and no free songs I think, if you don't have an old account). So If I do decide to get the phone, it may add funcionality, or may not...
power isn't on that menu but settings is if you click settings you will see power there, the shortcuts when moving your mouse to the right of the screen are search, share, start, devices and settings
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg