TL2 - it has LAN support, doesn't require constant online connection (ergo: has singleplayer) and doesn't have an RMAH.
D3 - no LAN support, need to be constantly connected and at some point you HAVE to use the RMAH to advance.
Both have roughly the same number of different classes. Roughly the same world size (only in TL2 the randomization isn't exclusive to dungeons). I don't know about skills, though.
For me, the way TL2 offers more freedom to the player and seems more like its supposed to be a game and not a controlling mechanism to keep people in the money-machine-loop made all the difference.
This, TL2 for me seems to be aimed more at being a game for players to enjoy, than a mechanism to generate revenue, which is pretty much all i see D3 as being.
TL2 - it has LAN support, doesn't require constant online connection (ergo: has singleplayer) and doesn't have an RMAH.
D3 - no LAN support, need to be constantly connected and at some point you HAVE to use the RMAH to advance.
Both have roughly the same number of different classes. Roughly the same world size (only in TL2 the randomization isn't exclusive to dungeons). I don't know about skills, though.
For me, the way TL2 offers more freedom to the player and seems more like its supposed to be a game and not a controlling mechanism to keep people in the money-machine-loop made all the difference.
This, TL2 for me seems to be aimed more at being a game for players to enjoy, than a mechanism to generate revenue, which is pretty much all i see D3 as being.
plus TL2 have mod support so you will not get bored fast
TL2 - it has LAN support, doesn't require constant online connection (ergo: has singleplayer) and doesn't have an RMAH.
D3 - no LAN support, need to be constantly connected and at some point you HAVE to use the RMAH to advance.
Both have roughly the same number of different classes. Roughly the same world size (only in TL2 the randomization isn't exclusive to dungeons). I don't know about skills, though.
For me, the way TL2 offers more freedom to the player and seems more like its supposed to be a game and not a controlling mechanism to keep people in the money-machine-loop made all the difference.
This, TL2 for me seems to be aimed more at being a game for players to enjoy, than a mechanism to generate revenue, which is pretty much all i see D3 as being.
I agree with this.
You could get both. I have D3 but don't care for it much. I feel it's not worth $60 if I can get a potentially better game (TL2) for $20. Also, you can play Path of Exile for free when it launches or for $10 to get into their beta. So you can get 2 good games for $20-30 instead of a very questionable game for $60.
But yeah, there is a free trial. You won't get far enough in it to see why it's really repetitive. But the Diablo universe is very cool, I have to admit.
TL2 - it has LAN support, doesn't require constant online connection (ergo: has singleplayer) and doesn't have an RMAH.
D3 - no LAN support, need to be constantly connected and at some point you HAVE to use the RMAH to advance.
Both have roughly the same number of different classes. Roughly the same world size (only in TL2 the randomization isn't exclusive to dungeons). I don't know about skills, though.
For me, the way TL2 offers more freedom to the player and seems more like its supposed to be a game and not a controlling mechanism to keep people in the money-machine-loop made all the difference.
Just want to point out that you do not HAVE to use the RMAH ever. So that statement is completely false.
You can CHOOSE to use the RMAH, you can CHOOSE to use the Gold AH and you can CHOOSE to not use any AH (as I have done). Not everyone is about beating the game in 2 weeks so they are FORCED to buy the best gear money or gold can buy. They actually enjoy the item hunt. But whatever...there's no fighting the negative propaganda war that has been going on since release.
Originally posted by Techinstein Diablo 3,because its very popular, and lots of people say its fun and amazing. Especially if you like those type of games. But at the end its up to you to choose.
I hope you don't actually trust user scores on Metacritic to be a fair representation of a game's quality. Disgruntled nutjobs are always bombing good games with 0 ratings after having fits of nerdrage over something 95% of players would shrug off.
While it may be true to some extend, when the meta user scores involves thousands of votes and hovers at 3 - 4 while critics vote is arond 9, it is an indication of great user disatisfaction, whatever you may say.
Originally posted by Castillle How were you guys able to play TL2? Ive had it preordered since we were allowed to and I never gotted in any of the beta thingies T_T
Pre-order had nothing to do for an beta acces. You had to sign up for it. Some people asked why on steam forum and the answer they give was because of people privacy or something like that. Steam dosnt give your info to runics games.
TL2 - it has LAN support, doesn't require constant online connection (ergo: has singleplayer) and doesn't have an RMAH.
D3 - no LAN support, need to be constantly connected and at some point you HAVE to use the RMAH to advance.
Both have roughly the same number of different classes. Roughly the same world size (only in TL2 the randomization isn't exclusive to dungeons). I don't know about skills, though.
For me, the way TL2 offers more freedom to the player and seems more like its supposed to be a game and not a controlling mechanism to keep people in the money-machine-loop made all the difference.
Just want to point out that you do not HAVE to use the RMAH ever. So that statement is completely false.
You can CHOOSE to use the RMAH, you can CHOOSE to use the Gold AH and you can CHOOSE to not use any AH (as I have done). Not everyone is about beating the game in 2 weeks so they are FORCED to buy the best gear money or gold can buy. They actually enjoy the item hunt. But whatever...there's no fighting the negative propaganda war that has been going on since release.
That is patently not true when the loots drop rate is so low that you MAY not get a single legendary drop for more than 150 hrs of play. The average based on user feedback is around 60 hrs. It seems ok, until you remember the horrible way they do the ramdomisation of the stats of Legendary, where many of the legendaries are actually worse than other magic items.
So until this is fixed in 1.0.4 or 1.1, then players are ESSENTIALLY forced to use the AH and the RMAH.
Try the free Diablo 3 starter addition. If you like it, then buy it. If not, then go with TL2. You get Torchlight 1 with a pre-purchase of TL2 on Steam.
Good advise, but also remember that you can only play up to Act 1 and the gameplay and balance changes horribly in Inferno difficulties.
Also, it seems that the gameplay is shorter than D2, per difficulty level.
EDIT: i havent played diablo but i heard you grind just like you do in WoW (i prefer to do it in WoW anyways). But, according to the videos and commentaries on youtube every time you revisit a map or a zone in TL2 its different, so you have different experiences in the same areas (randomly generated content?). That sounds good enough to replay the game after the first time.
I know it wasn't an option in the OP but neither D3 or TL2 come close to the depth of PoE.
For me Action Rpg are games I want to enjoy for a long time not just two months.
In order to keep me playing a game needs depth, it needs build diversity and many ways to play (softcore, hardcore, pvp, ladder events). PoE is the only game out of the three to offer all of that.
Originally posted by Souldrainer Grim Dawn > POE > TL2.Diablo 3? Worst ARPG invented. I'd sooner gouge out my own eyes than spend a dime on that game!
Your first two titles aren't even out yet, and the first one hasn't even gotten it's money to begin work on it yet.
As for TL2, I like it's solo and multiplayer friendliness. I can enjoy an action RPG experience like old-school Diablo and not be hampered down by draconian and money grabbing measures like those implemented by Blizzard. Also, it's mod friendly. More so than even Diablo 2, which did have a slew of mods for it years ago. Not to mention I can play it offline, unlike Diablo 3. I travel on occasion for extensive periods of time, oftenly in places where I'm not going to have that fancy internet connection. Nice to know I can have my ARPG fix on my trusty laptop wherever I go. Unlike Diablo 3.
As for Diablo 3, personally, the Diablo series ended with D2. I'll leave it at that.
Umm... I think you need to check the Grim Dawn page again. It doubled, and almost tripled its funding goals.
And guess what? TL2 isn't out yet either.
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Originally posted by Techinstein Diablo 3,because its very popular, and lots of people say its fun and amazing. Especially if you like those type of games. But at the end its up to you to choose.
I hope you don't actually trust user scores on Metacritic to be a fair representation of a game's quality. Disgruntled nutjobs are always bombing good games with 0 ratings after having fits of nerdrage over something 95% of players would shrug off.
About as often as overly optimistic fanboys give 10's over something undeserved. Never understood how people consider this a valid argument. Someone speaking badly about a game doesn't differ much in reliability than someone who speaks good about it. However, lots of disgruntled players vs much less that aren't, if the reviews and drop in players are any indication, speak volumes about the game.
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costs $60. Classes are great though they need some balancing(Witch Doctor I'm looking at you). I don't like how you can't skip quests, and there is not much if any randomness to the maps. Also the Auction house killed it for me. You don't find loot in Diablo 3, Loot in Diablo 3 finds you. No but in all seriousness the auction house just kind of makes it hard to find gear beause they tweak the gear drop ratio so you have virutaually no choice but to go to the auction house. It's a profit thing for them.
Torch Light 2:
Cost $20. Classes are name wise neat although I think they need to update them a bit in comparison. That being said they are updating the skills lol so perhaps nevermind with this comment. I know they were doing a skill tree revamp as well as adding interesting skills. Its traditional like diablo 2 etc. From the classes I played I like it better in conjunction with the world. The maps are random and there are more of everthing in comparison to Torch LIght 1. No Auction house, and you can still group with friends.
TL2 has a mod editor so you know there will be added content and classes incoming. Even I am going to make a dungeon/story with gear and such. So I'm looking forward to that.
Path of Exile:
Free to play: I think they will make their money off of micro transactions. Right now the game is on point (means its really good). I like the grittyness of it. The monsters tend to get a bit hard around level 20ish. Also You should check out the skill...map, road, maze, bible, tree, river, universe or whatever you want to call it. Things is just ridiculously big. At first it was daunting to look at but it kind of forces you to choose carefully which place to put your points. You get a point refund here and there but not enough to just put points anywhere all willy nilly. I usually accumulate around 10pts or so before I place them. They have a barter system in game...much like th world used to be in that you trade objects for gear. Like your identity scrolls...called wisdom scrolls in the game for gear. They have maps I think that are drops on the ground at higher levels that give randomness to your maps, and you can upgrade the maps to make them harder for replay value.
So yeah...
Having played D3 the most, followed by Path of Exile and then Torchlight 2 I would say.
1. POE
2. Torchlight 2
3. Diablo 3
The other two cost less and offer way more. D3 only has the character classes going for it. If I can make a great pet class in TL2 or POe then I'm not sure what to say about D3.
Oh one other point D3 is coming out with a patch here soon to address a lot of issues with the classes. So I'd say check that out as well as POE, and TL2 to give yourself an understanding of what your looking for.
Originally posted by Techinstein Diablo 3,because its very popular, and lots of people say its fun and amazing. Especially if you like those type of games. But at the end its up to you to choose.
I hope you don't actually trust user scores on Metacritic to be a fair representation of a game's quality. Disgruntled nutjobs are always bombing good games with 0 ratings after having fits of nerdrage over something 95% of players would shrug off.
About as often as overly optimistic fanboys give 10's over something undeserved. Never understood how people consider this a valid argument. Someone speaking badly about a game doesn't differ much in reliability than someone who speaks good about it. However, lots of disgruntled players vs much less that aren't, if the reviews and drop in players are any indication, speak volumes about the game.
Regardless as a self selected sample of mostly either cheerleaders or malcontents metatcritic is useless. You should try the rarely used path of making up your own mind. Don't be a sheeple.
I agree about the making up your own mind part. However, that should NOT preclude taking in the opinion of others as points for consideration ... else it is just mule headed stubbornness.
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This, TL2 for me seems to be aimed more at being a game for players to enjoy, than a mechanism to generate revenue, which is pretty much all i see D3 as being.
Why 'or'?
Why not get both? ?_?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
plus TL2 have mod support so you will not get bored fast
I agree with this.
You could get both. I have D3 but don't care for it much. I feel it's not worth $60 if I can get a potentially better game (TL2) for $20. Also, you can play Path of Exile for free when it launches or for $10 to get into their beta. So you can get 2 good games for $20-30 instead of a very questionable game for $60.
But yeah, there is a free trial. You won't get far enough in it to see why it's really repetitive. But the Diablo universe is very cool, I have to admit.
Just want to point out that you do not HAVE to use the RMAH ever. So that statement is completely false.
You can CHOOSE to use the RMAH, you can CHOOSE to use the Gold AH and you can CHOOSE to not use any AH (as I have done). Not everyone is about beating the game in 2 weeks so they are FORCED to buy the best gear money or gold can buy. They actually enjoy the item hunt. But whatever...there's no fighting the negative propaganda war that has been going on since release.
I gave D3 it's go. Bought a CE and don't regret it. Waiting on TL2 and will likely play it longer than D3.
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I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
While it may be true to some extend, when the meta user scores involves thousands of votes and hovers at 3 - 4 while critics vote is arond 9, it is an indication of great user disatisfaction, whatever you may say.
Pre-order had nothing to do for an beta acces. You had to sign up for it. Some people asked why on steam forum and the answer they give was because of people privacy or something like that. Steam dosnt give your info to runics games.
That is patently not true when the loots drop rate is so low that you MAY not get a single legendary drop for more than 150 hrs of play. The average based on user feedback is around 60 hrs. It seems ok, until you remember the horrible way they do the ramdomisation of the stats of Legendary, where many of the legendaries are actually worse than other magic items.
So until this is fixed in 1.0.4 or 1.1, then players are ESSENTIALLY forced to use the AH and the RMAH.
Good advise, but also remember that you can only play up to Act 1 and the gameplay and balance changes horribly in Inferno difficulties.
Also, it seems that the gameplay is shorter than D2, per difficulty level.
TL2
EDIT: i havent played diablo but i heard you grind just like you do in WoW (i prefer to do it in WoW anyways). But, according to the videos and commentaries on youtube every time you revisit a map or a zone in TL2 its different, so you have different experiences in the same areas (randomly generated content?). That sounds good enough to replay the game after the first time.
I'm going with path of Exile.
I know it wasn't an option in the OP but neither D3 or TL2 come close to the depth of PoE.
For me Action Rpg are games I want to enjoy for a long time not just two months.
In order to keep me playing a game needs depth, it needs build diversity and many ways to play (softcore, hardcore, pvp, ladder events). PoE is the only game out of the three to offer all of that.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Your first two titles aren't even out yet, and the first one hasn't even gotten it's money to begin work on it yet.
As for TL2, I like it's solo and multiplayer friendliness. I can enjoy an action RPG experience like old-school Diablo and not be hampered down by draconian and money grabbing measures like those implemented by Blizzard. Also, it's mod friendly. More so than even Diablo 2, which did have a slew of mods for it years ago. Not to mention I can play it offline, unlike Diablo 3. I travel on occasion for extensive periods of time, oftenly in places where I'm not going to have that fancy internet connection. Nice to know I can have my ARPG fix on my trusty laptop wherever I go. Unlike Diablo 3.
As for Diablo 3, personally, the Diablo series ended with D2. I'll leave it at that.
Umm... I think you need to check the Grim Dawn page again. It doubled, and almost tripled its funding goals.And guess what? TL2 isn't out yet either.
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About as often as overly optimistic fanboys give 10's over something undeserved. Never understood how people consider this a valid argument. Someone speaking badly about a game doesn't differ much in reliability than someone who speaks good about it. However, lots of disgruntled players vs much less that aren't, if the reviews and drop in players are any indication, speak volumes about the game.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Can anyone say why anyone would have to 'choose'?
I don't get it.
I like KPop so I listen to various KPop artists (Gangam Style FTW). I don't 'choose', why would I?
Doesn't make sense.
Is it like the old 'Xbox vs PS' cause that made little sense too.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I decided to not get D3 and wait for TL2 instead, I just don´t like that D3 decided to put a MMO focus on gear and the RMT itemshop.
So TL2 seems to be best for me, the rest of you have to decide for yourself though.
there's also Drakensang Online
It's challenging
It's free
It can be played from any computer via browser
It's fun
It's actually a MULTIPLAYER game first, hack and slash second, so I would say it's a lot more fun than either of those two
I review lots of indie games and MMORPGs
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Diablo 3:
costs $60. Classes are great though they need some balancing(Witch Doctor I'm looking at you). I don't like how you can't skip quests, and there is not much if any randomness to the maps. Also the Auction house killed it for me. You don't find loot in Diablo 3, Loot in Diablo 3 finds you. No but in all seriousness the auction house just kind of makes it hard to find gear beause they tweak the gear drop ratio so you have virutaually no choice but to go to the auction house. It's a profit thing for them.
Torch Light 2:
Cost $20. Classes are name wise neat although I think they need to update them a bit in comparison. That being said they are updating the skills lol so perhaps nevermind with this comment. I know they were doing a skill tree revamp as well as adding interesting skills. Its traditional like diablo 2 etc. From the classes I played I like it better in conjunction with the world. The maps are random and there are more of everthing in comparison to Torch LIght 1. No Auction house, and you can still group with friends.
TL2 has a mod editor so you know there will be added content and classes incoming. Even I am going to make a dungeon/story with gear and such. So I'm looking forward to that.
Path of Exile:
Free to play: I think they will make their money off of micro transactions. Right now the game is on point (means its really good). I like the grittyness of it. The monsters tend to get a bit hard around level 20ish. Also You should check out the skill...map, road, maze, bible, tree, river, universe or whatever you want to call it. Things is just ridiculously big. At first it was daunting to look at but it kind of forces you to choose carefully which place to put your points. You get a point refund here and there but not enough to just put points anywhere all willy nilly. I usually accumulate around 10pts or so before I place them. They have a barter system in game...much like th world used to be in that you trade objects for gear. Like your identity scrolls...called wisdom scrolls in the game for gear. They have maps I think that are drops on the ground at higher levels that give randomness to your maps, and you can upgrade the maps to make them harder for replay value.
So yeah...
Having played D3 the most, followed by Path of Exile and then Torchlight 2 I would say.
1. POE
2. Torchlight 2
3. Diablo 3
The other two cost less and offer way more. D3 only has the character classes going for it. If I can make a great pet class in TL2 or POe then I'm not sure what to say about D3.
Oh one other point D3 is coming out with a patch here soon to address a lot of issues with the classes. So I'd say check that out as well as POE, and TL2 to give yourself an understanding of what your looking for.
I agree about the making up your own mind part. However, that should NOT preclude taking in the opinion of others as points for consideration ... else it is just mule headed stubbornness.
They are both enjoyable games.
I would recommend playing D3 now then TL2 once it is released.