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What has square done to the FF series?
slamriot
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I'm new to the site, would like some input.
I just want to know others opionons on this game, it's nothing like FF...
I have recently started to get really annoyed with FFXI, it's story is ok, but nothing like older games, the community is awesome, but what am I paying $15 a month for? A damn chatroom with nice graphics? You can't level in this game without the help of other players, which is a MAJOR DOWNFALL.
One thing I do like is the versatility of changing jobs like FF Tactics, but at the same time (again) you have to rely on others to get anywhere...
At first the game is great... until you hit lvl 12 (then the annoyance starts) you go to a place called the Dunes and HOPE to get a party invite or stand there and waste 2 hours of your life! I'm not a noob to this game either, I have 54 thief, 40 ranger, 38 white mage, 33 ninja, 25 black mage, 25 warrior, 23 beastmaster and a 13 monk...almost rank 6 and sythesis skills of cooking at lvl 88 smithing 29 and alchemy 25 so don't think Im some nooby who doesn't know what Im talking about.
This game is based entirely on the Gil system, and people have really screwed that up, you need new gear for your next level, GREAT (lets see how much you need)... it costs about 40k for that sword, another 50k for your headgear, if you want the really good stuff, it'll cost ya close to 2 million gil, plus you need to buy some food... another 40k for a stack that will last you about 10 fights...
I'm not trying to bash the game, but more the economy and the way it's setup to lvl, what happened to just getting to the next area to do a mission and lvling up on the way? The missions in this game are almost impossible without help from other players that are higher in lvl, then they reward you with 10,000 gil for a rank up after you spent 6 hours trying to get one item, which you may have payed a lvl 65 10k gil to get it for you (i.e. rank 5 papyus)
Guess what Im getting at is this is kinda a failure to Final Fantsy games, the monsters are all the same everywhere, the only real FF thing in the game is the chocobo and Malboro (oh and the cactuar and tonberry, other than that SHEEP??? WTF), bosses are few and far inbetween, I could see needing 6 people to go take on a Dragon in a dungeon, but just to gain 200 experience points? Bad enough you de-level if you die too many times, they MAKE you need 5 or 6 ppl to get any exp worth fighting for!
At lvl 54 you need 11,000 experience points, well hell, if my party stays together long enough I may actually get that, but then again, someone dies... DOWNTIME... someone goes afk... DOWNTIME... someone has to leave for the day... DOWNTIME... or you may be waiting for a party for like an hour, then someone finally invites you, but you have to wait for them to find just ONE MORE MEMBER before you go get some exp, and FORGET about soloing in this game, you can't even kill an "easy prey" past lvl 20 (or if you're lucky, you kill it with just enough HP to breath) and you only get like 12 or 15 exp, sometimes less...
Square really needs to revise this game, I like it, but want something that doesnt rely on others so much, have the option to form a group to go kill hard monsters, not be required to do it! Lvls 1-7 are great... at 8 and 9 its like pulling teeth to get exp, then you need help, THAT'S WHY THE ECONOMY IS SO DAMN FRIENDLY, you either be nice to people or you don't get any experience points! As for this being a MMORPG, where the hell is the PvP? Ballista is a joke, you should be able to team up with members of your nation and go ransack Windurst! 
raid their city and kill anything in your paths, including the nooby out there trying to get lvl 5 LMAO, that would make this game so much better, plus you would make more allies this way... and since Jeuno is a cometogether of nations, you would need to be friendly to all while there, but not in the field.. I dunno, think Im gonna give this game a rest, maybe just sell my account... and try SWG, DAoC or WoW.
Again, I'm not really bashing the game, overall it's good and fun to an extent, great graphics, good cut-scenes, awesome crafting, but it has more downs than ups IMO
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This is really a direct consequence of the MMORPG format; you just can't have the sweeping linear plotlines a single player RPG allows.
Personally, I think it's one of the best features of the game. To me, group adventuring is the whole point of an MMORPG, and if grouping isn't required, by and large it won't happen.
Yes, the economy is a basic part of the game. Your point? And a stack of food lasts for hours; if you're only getting in 10 fights in that amount of time, I think that's part of your problem...
The game is all about helping each other out. I wonder how much you helped other people beat the dragon for rank 3? Do Delkfutt's Tower for rank 4?
Well, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Some of us have different ones.
And the airships, and Cid, and goblins, and...
Is having to associate with the other players really that awful?
They make you be nice to people! The FIENDS!
I think that might be best; you just don't seem to be a good fit with the game.
Frankly, much of what you mention as awful (grouping required, no PvP) are, to many of us, actually further plusses.
Chris Mattern
Is having to associate with the other players really that awful?
No, Chris, I like to assiate with others, that's one of the fun parts of the game, my comment was strickly based on how exp points are gained.
I think that might be best; you just don't seem to be a good fit with the game.
If that's the case, why have I played it for a year now? I have a huge linkshell full of friends, a website dedicated to the linkshell... oh and FYI I HAVE HELPED MANY MANY PEOPLE WITH NINJA JOB QUEST, CHOCOBO QUEST, KILL THAT DUMB DRAGON, I'VE EVEN BOUGHT NOOBS ON MY LINKSHELL 50K WEAPONS JUST TO HELP THEM GET GOING ON THEIR JOURNEYS. So don't make comments about me personally, you don't know. I've went out of my way many nights to PL ppl I don't even know just because, case and point, that comment you made about me personally will be disreguarded.
The game is all about helping each other out. I wonder how much you helped other people beat the dragon for rank 3? Do Delkfutt's Tower for rank 4?
See comment above.
Frankly, much of what you mention as awful (grouping required, no PvP) are, to many of us, actually further plusses.
Awful? No, these are the facts about the game I dislike.... I like the group party, but not all the time, wouldn't you enjoy going out and fighting alone once in a while? Get like 100-200 exp solo, and then when you do group up, you get like 300-400 per fight against these "Incredible Tough" mobs, instead of a lousy 200-270? Or are you satisfied only getting 200 per fight, time after time, against the same mob over and over, until it feels like work more than play?
One more comment, yes you have to be nice to other players, otherwise you get no party invites, thus no experience points, in return your gameplay experience would be worse than it already is, this game is over-rated becuase it has Square Enix and the name Final Fantasy backing it.
I rate this game -8- just because is has the name Final Fantasy and a few characters from the series. Actually, if it wasn't for this fact, I would have never bought the game, it's better than FFIX, but that isn't saying much (9 had a great story line, but the game was just dumb)
I do like it, its one of the best MMOs I palyed...and I played a lots
if its so bad, why did it get so many rewands, as the best mmo etc..
I love FF, and when they said, FFXI will be online i was a little happy, (but i allso I think you guys might ruin it allso)
dont say just because it as FF in it thats why its good, my Clan friends form PS etc
hate FF, and the ones that played it loved FFXI, (some even said this is the only FF game I'll play)
Im glad it takes along time to lvl(unlike WoW for one.you can get to lvl60 in 2 week*)
the gil i love, you have to work for it...its about teamwork...
It has its up and downs like all MMOs
S-E did a good job on it...I kinda think it should been FFO(FFonline)
I would've got this game with a diff name,(S-E makes the best games XD)
I do think it sold more because of its FF, like how WoW sold more because it hade good games in the past...but like i sad allso, many FFs fans hated it, and others liked it(like my friends who hate FF)loved this game
WoW and FFXI have some of the best devs....If SOE hade thos kinda devs.. PS would Eq2 would be really good
sorry english is bad
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Hmmm... sounds like your friends aren't true Final Fantasy fans then...
I own every FF game that was released in the US and beat almost all of them (except 7, I could finish it without beating Diamond Weapon, but it would be incomplete IMO) Thats why I compare this game to the others, it is nothing like them, and your friends that hate FF games but like this one are not FF fans, they are fans of a game Square gave the name FF to just to make it popular. I still play the game, I like the game, just don't like the fact that you cannot solo for exp and have to depend on others to keep you alive.
Also yes, they could have called it FF Online and left the XI for their next consol game, because this is definitely unlike any in the series and doesn't follow the tradition at all... so FFO would be proper and maybe people like myself would respect it a little more, they should not have put it in sequence with the rest of the series, which all follow the same battle system, the same type of story lines and such.
as for gil.. are you kidding me? you get 7-55 gil per drop from mobs (thats with a high lvl thf), if you craft you end up selling stuff less than you pay for the materials until you are like lvl 80 in that craft, then you can make a little profit, you have to work for it you say... Only way to make good gil in the game is do a ton of BCNMs and camp (BORING) NMs for hours and HOPE they drop that million dollar item. or you can farm your ass off, have 10 mules to sell your stuff and if you arent selling in jeuno, you arent selling much or do tons of repetative quests, do missions for conquest points, and sell your conquest items... I dunno, there are a ton of ways to make gil, but most arent worth the time for the payment... you want to be rich, better save every gil you get till you hit lvl 75, oh wait, thats not possible
if u don't like the game go play something else some of us injoy the game for what it is no need to whin about it
lol, I said they wasnt, they hate FF..
I never said they was FF fans...they only fan fan of it XI, because its a MMO..
making my point,(like when ppl say ppl only play it because its a FF is in the name)its not true...they think its the best MMO they played...and they dislike FF...so ppl cant say that ''FF sucks and ppl only play it because of the name'' yes I got it for the name...my friends got it because it was a MMO...and got good reviews...I Just hate when ppl say that..XD when FFXI is like the best MMO...
I just was trying to make the point FFXI dont suck, most ppl thimk its suckls because they are to lazy...
I have tons of FFs too.
all Nintendos
FF IV(Japanese)
FF V(Japanesse)
FF Crystal Chronicles
FF Legend I and II, III(gameboy)
FF Tactics Advance...
Final Fantasy I&II Dawn of Souls
(PSX)
FF
FF II
FF IV
FF V(never beat tho on the psx)
FF VI
FF VII
FF VIII
FF XI
FF Tactics
(PS2)
FF X
FF X-2
FF XI(only play it on the PC tho)
(PC)
FFVII(never beat on the pc)
FFXI
Final Fantasy Chains of Promathia...
(DVDs and VHS)
FFLegend of the Crystals (vol1 only tho)
Final Fantasy Unlimited Phase 1-7
FFAC, FFLO
lol I dont have all the FF wich sucks, but I love them...
and that gil thing didnt come out right, I can make gil easy by crafting(cooking)
but its stil hard 2 get what I need, when you in the high lvls...
I mean I make lots of gil,,,but its hard to save XD..
I cant wait till XII, DC, and CC(for the psp XD)and the others :P
so stop saying ''ppl only play it because of the name the game sucks'' when 1 no FF game sucks
and XI well read about what i said about my friends XD
English is bad sorry
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Next time read before you have a comment to make like that, and you ever heard of proof reading?
I never said the game sucks.... You said something about WoW being over-rated because it is made by Blizzard and has Warcraft name? Same with this game...
As a matter of fact I think I rated it an -8- did I not?
(and not really just because it has the name FF in it, that's just blowing steam up your ass
) Rating a game -8- just because the name it has is kind of... well, you are very gullible if you believe that ! 
well i mean that 2 u for one. I ment it 2 all the ppl that say that.
it sucks, just because it as FF name it <.<
I think WoW could be the best MMO out there if they really wanted it 2..
XI as its up and downs, like all MMOs...
I give it a 9...
yes I like FF
but, when FFXI came out, S-E said they wanted it to be a game where all players came together, we know alot of FF fans may dislike it, but this is for the ones that will love it, and the other online gamers out there...
I do think you're right, the reason it sold is because, FF...thats one reason I think they put that in the name..
but its a great game....
I didnt say WoW was overrated, I said like like Square-Enix, Blizzard sold WoW(like XI) because both are great game makers...WoW is a wounderful game like FFXI)
but yea I think you're right, both (S-E and Blizzard) got a alot of backing because of there of there Blizzard and S-E, both great compy..
I dont think they ruined FF with this game, but I still love it^^...
but i do think your right on that part...
sorry about english again
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Dude, FFXI is only as good as you make it, if you dont like it, oh well. If your gonna talk about the decline of the FF series start somewhere around FFX-2.
STZ
I agree wholeheartedly.
Slamriot: I think that when you're judging Final Fantasy XI against the rest of the FF series, you're not understanding how different FFXI is meant to be.
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Why did you bother to make this post?
If you wanted to see the opinons of others why not scroll back in the forums to see the opinon's of others
"A damn chatroom with nice graphics? You can't level in this game without the help of other players, which is a MAJOR DOWNFALL."
hrmm- i cant quite remember a FF with just one character past the opening sceens with just one playable character. The concept of team work, EFFECTIVE team work has been a part of square-enix's creations since the beginning. FF Tactics was solo at the end because- if you set your characters in the right way, you wouldnt need more than one guy to clear a board at level 70+ if you were just training. and that battle. The Other thing- the lil mini game part of Erghietz((I know i forgot how to spell it)) i believe was the only single character RPG production of square enix. Even in the single player Chrystal Chronicials you relied on the help of the moogle if you didnt have another player to help you, which is team work. and even then- it was quite difficult without- items. Potions and such
One really doesnt have to jump into a Full party to kill thinks- why a party of three decent players can do even matches- and a party of four can do low VT's with good equipment. The gil, I dunno what to say about- yes armor is expensive on my server. but, with field armor and a couple of pickaxes and or fishing can solve that problem easy. your a high enough level to dig an mine for materials in dangerous levels right? you could even try- just farming for days to make more money than you need. why hell- why not farm for a week inbetween errands- it's not hard. just make a macro and hit it while you target a point? you'll get over it in no time. Your a thief and a ranger but you dont do woodworking? what is wrong with you?
But then again- you dont want to play in a team, why not beast master? it's alittle more difficult than parting and ou have to fight in certain areas- but- hey you can do it. You can also try doing the quest to get your NPC- which will be really helpful if you want to be on your own. then you could try using your money to buy armor weapons- pet food- AND Potions just in case- and you can use your Conquest points to buy Auto-Res Scrolls so that you can level. and even more things for you to spend more money on.
but case and point. This is the game- Stop Whining thats why ppl get flamed. so dont be a little B**** and suck it in.
Personally FFXI gets alittle fustrating, but it makes you more involved and motivates you to do more. Thats why i love FFXI- although at this time i cant play it- you should try to alternate your classes inbetween your normal class and beastmaster more so that you dont have to party all the time. or just dont party all the time- go have some fun. and if your tired of ppl dying in your party why dont you try tanking more often- with your experience- ppl shouldnt get wasted all the time right? How your party does all depends on everyones skill and patience with one another- you should know that. but that doesnt mean because someone died everything has to stop. Pull some easy prey or do something else go eat a biscuit turn on the tv for a sec and watch some commercials until your member runs back over from windurst. Square wanted you to feel accountable- wanted for it to hurt you if your party couldnt protect someone or someone is drawing too much aggro and making it difficult for tanks they wanted you to feel for when your puller didnt do his job right. they wanted to make it hurt if there was no one in your area to party with. the reasons why should be apparent. Applying Pressure and being Difficult and require you to think in my opinon where always- always part of the FF world- and the only FF games that really didnt do those things- Sucked. ((FFX-2, FFCC, and FFMQ for example))
So what has happened to the FF series? They are getting better at what they do best, getting the player into and involved in the game. to take the game seriously- and to imbue into you some kind of emotion when your playing. I.E when you die you get upset at those who let you/made you die. when you level your happy because your stronger and went to hell to get that level- you look foward to accomplishing things. That's what square has done from the very beginning with their games, right. D*** i'm good.
So lets see if FFXI is Like other FF's hrmm Lets look at the traits of a Normal FF:
Usually dont have the same systems twice or have different types of characters
Have good story lines that try to create emotions in the player
Party/Team Work Oriented
Makes you mad when you mess up.
Can make you mad if you die
Makes you think
Requires alot of fights and alot of repetion to level
It's not exactly easy to level if your fightning really hard mobs
Lots of other stuff to do inside the game than just level
Requires Patience
hrmmm....Sounds just like FFXI dont it?
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It's not supposed to be like the rest
when was any FF supposed to be like the rest..there all diff with diff Characters, storyline etc...?
the only thing diff about this game is its a MMO..
thats why they made it, so everyone who loves FF, can play 2gether
they didnt execpt every FF fan would get it and love it. thats why so ppl can come 2gether and work with each other...to make the FF world for more...thats what they said when XI was in the works...
what, Malchietz said is right...
and I dont see how it ruined it, when its one of the best MMORPGS....
so how did they ruin it...
I hate to be mean, but I just think ppl hated it because there lazy to work..<<
what a easy game where, you're be lvl60 in 2week get WoW...I want a game to keep me into the game like XI...
so like she or he said..stop cring...S-E made a good movie with XI ^___^
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these posts are why i wish they would've called this game "An mmo from the creators of final fantasy". i think they did a great job of interpreting the ff franchise into an mmo. and this same discussion has already started w/ d&d online. i know it sells more copies, but it's most likely gonna dissapoint a lot of people.
There is no best MMORPG, only favorites.
yea I do see what ur saying, u think XI was bad idea..because it not single player?
if im wrong sorry...
but I really like it, FFXI and WoW are the only MMO im not going to quit...there the best I played
It may of be funner with just single player, but I love playing with other FF fans ^___^
and that last part were i said ''some ppl hate FFXI because there lazy,''
I wasnt talking about you, I was just saying thats why some ppl was turned off I think^^because they was lazy
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Originally posted by slamriot
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HeH, Am i that good?
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You Know the simple Solution to that is....Do one Contract at a time, it might be alittle slower obtaining those cool GP related items- but i dont think you can transfer them from chara to character. ((And i think what i am saying can apply to everyone?))
but i doubt many people decided to have 3 mules and make them do trades ((if i had three mules i do my crafting on my main and use them for auctioning and holding surplus stock- so i would have a total of like........260 item slots and 28 auction spaces- which is to die for.))
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Slam, I agree with you that FFXI is a sorry excuse of a game.
THE FOLLOWING WILL OFFEND PEOPLES PLAYING THIS GAME, I dont wear gloves or take a long time...I will just give my opinion about this game and it community, in an extremely blunt format.
Those peoples playing it are to MMO what rape is to sex IMO. Just go away from them, the FFXI game and it community are unbearable.
A Good grouping system is NEVER done at the expense of soloing, trust me. Just walk away from this game, it will be for your own good.
PS: Don't bother to read the flames, I kinda deserve it, coming into their section and telling them an ugly truth in a rather...direct way, just come to more friendly games! Where you are WELCOME to group, not under the obligation to.
Optional grouping is like optional sex...a LOT better!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Well, why would we flame you- you just gave your opinon intelligently.
I suppose that it has some credit to it also- because it would be real nice to solo in FFXI because parties arent always an option.
and there should be alittle more soloability i wont lie but- meh- it's the small things that make this game different.
I think this Community is way better for ppl who like to feel some since of belonging and some on and off Roleplaying- you just get into the game.- but i will admit i only know two servers- and i seem to get along well with most people...
Yes, I agree- if soloing was like it was in CoH the game would have a 9 rating- because although you have to be careful in CoH you can still do it. But at the same time there is so much to do besides fighting- and to tell the truth i only fight in groups when i want to- other times you'll catch me doing other things like crafting or idling while i do homework/ waiting for auctions to go through- and if i am feeling bold i'll hope in on a eco-warrior or ls events- which are fun. Or i start perparing for quests in advance or finish the ones i havent done. So it's not exactly Forced grouping- because with the right class combos one can solo.
So your not totally Right and totally wrong- although it's a true test to solo- it can be done- but i have learned- not to try and solo for a whole level but to fill in the exp i lost on a de level or making that extra 30 exp to get a level- thats so bad.
the only thing i think should be changed is monsters should get tired of chasing your monkey arse around, i cannot stand running from one end of a board to another to shake a monster.
But i Say- Do not flame this guy- let us convert him! *gets a stake, a vial of holy water, a long pole to dunk him in the river of jordan, and MCDonalds food*
"We can do this to hard way, or we can give you MCDonalds. Your Choice"
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