But WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
The only reason that WoW has more subscribers is because people see it as the only option when it comes to an MMO, honestly, People like you (Not attacking you directly) see it as the be all, end all mmos. The only option if you want a true MMO. If YOU change your thinking and learn to look outside the box, you'll see just how bad WoW really is.
I don't understand how this is possible if so many people play WoW.
Originally posted by Nadia Originally posted by varriusSure, people will continue to play it - likely until Mists of Pandaria comes out, but.. I think we will soon see what I like to call "Launch-Fever" wear off. As this reality becomes more apparent and the medication that is boredom wears on your "launch-fever" we will all see that Guild Wars 2 is really falling very, very short of our expectation.
i believe this is more than launch fever
GW1 continued to sell well from April 2005 forward
after 5 months, ANET announced 1 million sold; it took a full year before 2 million
and GW2 is a much better game than GW1
So, whats your point?
Just because Guild Wars 1 sold well after a lengthy period of time doesnt mean Guild Wars 2 will as well.
GW1 and GW2 are 2 different games from 2 different genres. So, predicting GW2s sales based on GW1 is pointless.
Look at Dragon Quest. DQX, which is an MMORPG, sold 420,000 in its first week and sales dropped 90% in its second week. This is the lowest performance for a DQ in ....like ever ....in the history of the series.
DQIX sold over 2 million in its first week. So, why didnt DQX sell over 2 million in its first week?
But WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
I never had an argument. You did. You threw it out there, and as soon as someone bashes your beloved WoW, out comes the subscriber card. WoW is better because it has more players. Really? So it's the best thing since apple pie with all those subscribers and yet you left it to find something else to do. Clearly subscriber base does not equal entertaining. But go ahead, delude yourself into thinking it's all the other games that have the problem, not WoW. Take solace in knowing that x million players all think like you do. Strength in numbers. Can't be wrong we have the most players. LOL. I'm having fun in GW2... are you having fun in WoW? Be truthful, that 40,000 time of doing Hyjal dailies has been a hoot. Almost pissed you pants when you killed that mob didn't you. Damn that was fun. You should be paying Blizzard $15 an hour, not $15 a month. It has the most subscribers... therefore it's fun.
LOL, time to play GW2... keep pissing in the wind while I am away.
But WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
I never had an argument. You did. You threw it out there, and as soon as someone bashes your beloved WoW, out comes the subscriber card. WoW is better because it has more players. Really? So it's the best thing since apple pie with all those subscribers and yet you left it to find something else to do. Clearly subscriber base does not equal entertaining. But go ahead, delude yourself into thinking it's all the other games that have the problem, not WoW. Take solace in knowing that x million players all think like you do. Strength in numbers. Can't be wrong we have the most players. LOL. I'm having fun in GW2... are you having fun in WoW? Be truthful, that 40,000 time of doing Hyjal dailies has been a hoot. Almost pissed you pants when you killed that mob didn't you. Damn that was fun. You should be paying Blizzard $15 an hour, not $15 a month. It has the most subscribers... therefore it's fun.
LOL, time to play GW2... keep pissing in the wind while I am away.
I wouldn't be against the subscription model you outlined (Assuming you're serious and not trolling).
Originally posted by varrius Originally posted by pmilesOriginally posted by varriusBut WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
I never had an argument. You did. You threw it out there, and as soon as someone bashes your beloved WoW, out comes the subscriber card. WoW is better because it has more players. Really? So it's the best thing since apple pie with all those subscribers and yet you left it to find something else to do. Clearly subscriber base does not equal entertaining. But go ahead, delude yourself into thinking it's all the other games that have the problem, not WoW. Take solace in knowing that x million players all think like you do. Strength in numbers. Can't be wrong we have the most players. LOL. I'm having fun in GW2... are you having fun in WoW? Be truthful, that 40,000 time of doing Hyjal dailies has been a hoot. Almost pissed you pants when you killed that mob didn't you. Damn that was fun. You should be paying Blizzard $15 an hour, not $15 a month. It has the most subscribers... therefore it's fun.LOL, time to play GW2... keep pissing in the wind while I am away.I wouldn't be against the subscription model you outlined (Assuming you're serious and not trolling).
But WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
The only reason that WoW has more subscribers is because people see it as the only option when it comes to an MMO, honestly, People like you (Not attacking you directly) see it as the be all, end all mmos. The only option if you want a true MMO. If YOU change your thinking and learn to look outside the box, you'll see just how bad WoW really is.
I don't understand how this is possible if so many people play WoW.
Originally posted by emesto I love guild wars 2 but think MMOs in general are probably a dieing breed and nothing can really bring them up to scratch. It's going to take an entirely new kind of game to truely be revolutionary.
Please tell me how excatly you can create a whole new game that is revolutionary? When the basic concept of an MMO will always be the same?
Every game is a rehash of another in some way. Whether its a near exact clone or you pick and choose features already in use in other games. Either way its something that has already been done. However, that doesn't mean you can't use existing features and make something truly unique and enjoyable for the masses. Matter of fact if you ask me that is exactly what GW2 is. In all honesty I think they should have pulled more in from other games but they are definitely on the right track.
But WOW has more subscribers than any MMORPG and more players than Guild Wars 2, by a large margin. So, your argument is useless.
The only reason that WoW has more subscribers is because people see it as the only option when it comes to an MMO, honestly, People like you (Not attacking you directly) see it as the be all, end all mmos. The only option if you want a true MMO. If YOU change your thinking and learn to look outside the box, you'll see just how bad WoW really is.
I don't understand how this is possible if so many people play WoW.
America's got talent is the highest rated / most watched TV show of 2012. Therefore, according to your argument, it must be the best show on TV. It obviously must be much better than shows like The walking Dead or the Gaame of Thrones. Why else would so many people be watching it right?
I just realized you ask a question in the title and then tell us the "answer" in the body. I think we deserve to know then how you'll quantify your claims. What will we be looking for when launch fever ends and we all don't care about GW2 anymore?
GW2 is BTP .. that simple fact will mean it remains a 2nd game to a lot of people .. People will go play MoP or PS2 or World of Guild Panda War's when it is released .
So Imo yes it will pass the test, the no sub fee allows people the freedom to leave, take a break , play something else and then drop back in without breaking a sweat
GW2 is BTP .. that simple fact will mean it remains a 2nd game to a lot of people .. People will go play MoP or PS2 or World of Guild Panda War's when it is released .
So Imo yes it will pass the test, the no sub fee allows people the freedom to leave, take a break , play something else and then drop back in without breaking a sweat
If you think it will pass the test, why are the WoW servers still packed?
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
I wanted a game that had no Holy Trinity, made it easy to do things with friends, didn't turn normal stuff boring or tedious if you had a friend, didn't obsolete content, had some combat depth, rewarded exploration, no subscription fee, and still had challenges.
That's exactly what I got. So I'm pretty happy. I don't expect that to change. As a bonus the annoyingness of standard MMO questing is gone. Yeah, sure I'm doing a lot of the same things I might in another game, but now that's a factor of exploring the map, not tracking down quest givers and occasionally having to look up a quest on a wiki. That's a massive change to my mindset when playing, especially when events pop up. The personal story thing is pretty cool so far as well.
GW2 isn't perfect. It could handle grouping with regards to overflow servers better (e.g. seamlessly). I had the transmutation stone system as well. But overall, the game is great.
I am beginning to see how this game isn't as revolutionary as everyone thinks. Everyone is excited about having a new game, something different. But as I look at these features, I feel as though they will not pass the test, they are merely 'new' things in a game but are not the proper revolutionary changes we need, to keep interest.
Sure, people will continue to play it - likely until Mists of Pandaria comes out, but.. I think we will soon see what I like to call "Launch-Fever" wear off.
As this reality becomes more apparent and the medication that is boredom wears on your "launch-fever" we will all see that Guild Wars 2 is really falling very, very short of our expectation.
Launch fever will definitely wear off. That happens in every MMORPG since the big 3. Even ANET in their recent update about issues mentioned they aren't going to add a bunch of servers now to counter the over-flow issues because they know population will drop in a while and then servers would be too empty instead of too crowded.
But as far as as "falling very, very short of our expectations" - no. Short of yours maybe. I never had overblown expectations. I was looking for a fun game and I found one.
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Why do we need posts like this at all? It sounds like you trying to judge a game based on mmo trends and hype, but not by playing it.
Play it if you like it. Keep playing it until you don't. The game just came out and we have to put a crown on it or throw it away?
Negative centric generalized posts like this just seem senseless to me.
In before McDonalds analogy.
GW1 continued to sell well from April 2005 forward
after 5 months, ANET announced 1 million sold; it took a full year before 2 million
and GW2 is a much better game than GW1
So, whats your point?
Just because Guild Wars 1 sold well after a lengthy period of time doesnt mean Guild Wars 2 will as well.
GW1 and GW2 are 2 different games from 2 different genres. So, predicting GW2s sales based on GW1 is pointless.
Look at Dragon Quest. DQX, which is an MMORPG, sold 420,000 in its first week and sales dropped 90% in its second week. This is the lowest performance for a DQ in ....like ever ....in the history of the series.
DQIX sold over 2 million in its first week. So, why didnt DQX sell over 2 million in its first week?
I never had an argument. You did. You threw it out there, and as soon as someone bashes your beloved WoW, out comes the subscriber card. WoW is better because it has more players. Really? So it's the best thing since apple pie with all those subscribers and yet you left it to find something else to do. Clearly subscriber base does not equal entertaining. But go ahead, delude yourself into thinking it's all the other games that have the problem, not WoW. Take solace in knowing that x million players all think like you do. Strength in numbers. Can't be wrong we have the most players. LOL. I'm having fun in GW2... are you having fun in WoW? Be truthful, that 40,000 time of doing Hyjal dailies has been a hoot. Almost pissed you pants when you killed that mob didn't you. Damn that was fun. You should be paying Blizzard $15 an hour, not $15 a month. It has the most subscribers... therefore it's fun.
LOL, time to play GW2... keep pissing in the wind while I am away.
I wouldn't be against the subscription model you outlined (Assuming you're serious and not trolling).
I wouldn't be against the subscription model you outlined (Assuming you're serious and not trolling).
Pot calling the kettle?
There's a film I think you should watch
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
The 'stupid' people in that film use the same arguement you are which amounts to 'because'.
Every game is a rehash of another in some way. Whether its a near exact clone or you pick and choose features already in use in other games. Either way its something that has already been done. However, that doesn't mean you can't use existing features and make something truly unique and enjoyable for the masses. Matter of fact if you ask me that is exactly what GW2 is. In all honesty I think they should have pulled more in from other games but they are definitely on the right track.
America's got talent is the highest rated / most watched TV show of 2012. Therefore, according to your argument, it must be the best show on TV. It obviously must be much better than shows like The walking Dead or the Gaame of Thrones. Why else would so many people be watching it right?
I just realized you ask a question in the title and then tell us the "answer" in the body. I think we deserve to know then how you'll quantify your claims. What will we be looking for when launch fever ends and we all don't care about GW2 anymore?
GW2 is BTP .. that simple fact will mean it remains a 2nd game to a lot of people .. People will go play MoP or PS2 or World of Guild Panda War's when it is released .
So Imo yes it will pass the test, the no sub fee allows people the freedom to leave, take a break , play something else and then drop back in without breaking a sweat
If you think it will pass the test, why are the WoW servers still packed?
The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true.
Carl Sagan-
I wanted a game that had no Holy Trinity, made it easy to do things with friends, didn't turn normal stuff boring or tedious if you had a friend, didn't obsolete content, had some combat depth, rewarded exploration, no subscription fee, and still had challenges.
That's exactly what I got. So I'm pretty happy. I don't expect that to change. As a bonus the annoyingness of standard MMO questing is gone. Yeah, sure I'm doing a lot of the same things I might in another game, but now that's a factor of exploring the map, not tracking down quest givers and occasionally having to look up a quest on a wiki. That's a massive change to my mindset when playing, especially when events pop up. The personal story thing is pretty cool so far as well.
GW2 isn't perfect. It could handle grouping with regards to overflow servers better (e.g. seamlessly). I had the transmutation stone system as well. But overall, the game is great.
Launch fever will definitely wear off. That happens in every MMORPG since the big 3. Even ANET in their recent update about issues mentioned they aren't going to add a bunch of servers now to counter the over-flow issues because they know population will drop in a while and then servers would be too empty instead of too crowded.
But as far as as "falling very, very short of our expectations" - no. Short of yours maybe. I never had overblown expectations. I was looking for a fun game and I found one.