Though the game is just top heavy at the moment (same old stuff and everyone is maxed out on gear for the most part), the fact remains that no game is doing anything particulary new that WoW hasn't already mastered.
Sure you can go run a few Rifts in Rft...or play their three faction same race pvp...but there's nothing in Rift that compares to WoW's content and at least WoW still knows how to create different races per faction (though they fail on class originality between factions).
You can play GW2..but again, it's just the same races and classes beating each other up. You see lots of red names in a pvp zone but again, the races and classes are ALL THE SAME across factions. So it's not like in a fantasy novel or movie where you ENEMY IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU ARE lol.
mmorpgs are so cut and paste these days that they even cut and paste themselves...such as in repeated races and classes in pvp zones. Sure that red named dude is your enemy...but he's an Asura ranger just like you! lol.
I'd play WoW if I want a fun theme park mmorpg. I'd play Dark Age of Camelot if I want to level up in pvp, see old school graphics (no cartoons), and lots of siege warfare with 44 classes and 24 races, across three factions. Each realm has 50 levels of its own territory and for fun there is a huge epic dungeon called Darkness Falls where the three factions can pvp each other while they pve. Cool stuff and UNLIKE all mmorpgs on the market (other than Vanguard), the lore is strictly followed. So while one faction has the paladin class, you won't see it in say, the viking realm lol.
as a vet wow player (3-5 years on and off playing) id say the game has reached an all new low. all classes are now over simplified, and some good ways, but mostly bad. Unlike the last patch, all classes were pretty balanced imo, and there wasnt a FotM class at the time, as far as i know. but now? Warriors, Pallys, and i think Mages are the way to go. thats 3 FotM classes spawned by one patch... not only that, learning a class takes 0 brain power now, effectively making you feel like a zombie while leveling since all your spells/skills are handed to you as you level, and are told what your basic skill/spell rotation is.
in short, save your money for newer mmo's. personally, I'm waiting for FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. old school jobs system mixed with breath-taking graphics in a massive world? yes please!
the fact remains that no game is doing anything particulary new that WoW hasn't already mastered.
You can play GW2..but again, it's just the same races and classes beating each other up. You see lots of red names in a pvp zone but again, the races and classes are ALL THE SAME across factions. So it's not like in a fantasy novel or movie where you ENEMY IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU ARE lol.
mmorpgs are so cut and paste these days that they even cut and paste themselves...such as in repeated races and classes in pvp zones. Sure that red named dude is your enemy...but he's an Asura ranger just like you! lol.
enjoy!
that just tells everyone here that you've never taken a look at guild wars 2.
you just assume that because in wow one ranger is just like the other, it would be the same in a game that does away with this nonsense and is designed to allow hundreds of different builds.
your wording tells me that you have no idea how massive WvW is.
"...in a pvp zone..." this is not warhammer. there are no pvp zones
and having your own banners hang from the walls of a conquered castle is not differentiation enough for you?
pls tell me, how is a horizontally scaling game like GW2 in any way like a gear grind/vertically scaling MMO like WoW?
GW2 is no different; it’s just presented in a slightly different package. I'm not even keen on MoP, but know it’s doing to be successful.
You may like posing X-Fire trends, while WoW is quiet due to the pre-expansion wait. However you are going to see GW2's figures get trashed in a few weeks.
To the OP, I'm really not sure if WoW is worth playing. It’s not really evolved in a positive way, and I'm sure end game will once again be nothing but a gear grind in MoP. You'll likely enjoy the levelling, as that's at least one thing they have improved on over the years
as a vet wow player (3-5 years on and off playing) id say the game has reached an all new low. all classes are now over simplified, and some good ways, but mostly bad. Unlike the last patch, all classes were pretty balanced imo, and there wasnt a FotM class at the time, as far as i know. but now? Warriors, Pallys, and i think Mages are the way to go. thats 3 FotM classes spawned by one patch... not only that, learning a class takes 0 brain power now, effectively making you feel like a zombie while leveling since all your spells/skills are handed to you as you level, and are told what your basic skill/spell rotation is.
in short, save your money for newer mmo's. personally, I'm waiting for FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. old school jobs system mixed with breath-taking graphics in a massive world? yes please!
gw2 is the opposite of that.
why not try an mmo that was not so rejected it went into development again and had to relaunch.
fool me once... and all that
gw2 has a market share on xfire over over 50% among all MMOs. why? biggest PvE, good crafting (5000+ cooking recipes) and best combat
GW2 is no different, its just presented in a slighly different package. I'm not even keen on MoP, but know its doing the be successful.
You may like posing X-Fire trends, while WoW is quiet due to the pre-expansion wait. However you are going to see GW2's figures get trashed in a few weeks.
To the OP, I'm really not sure if WoW is worth playing. Its not really evolved in a possive way, and I'm sure end game will once again be nothing but a gear grind in MoP. You'll likely enjoy the leveling, as that's at least one thing they have improved on over the years.
your English is abysmal....
maybe you did not understand my post.
but literally no one who has even looked at gw2 would call it "no different".
GW2 is no different, its just presented in a slighly different package. I'm not even keen on MoP, but know its doing the be successful.
You may like posing X-Fire trends, while WoW is quiet due to the pre-expansion wait. However you are going to see GW2's figures get trashed in a few weeks.
To the OP, I'm really not sure if WoW is worth playing. Its not really evolved in a possive way, and I'm sure end game will once again be nothing but a gear grind in MoP. You'll likely enjoy the leveling, as that's at least one thing they have improved on over the years.
your English is abysmal....
maybe you did not understand my post.
but literally no one who has even looked at gw2 would call it "no different".
you're just making yourself sound foolish
I can only assume you've not played many MMOs if you think its different. The only real difference is they've taken away the need to click on a NPC to get a quest.
GW2 is no different, its just presented in a slighly different package.
but literally no one who has even looked at gw2 would call it "no different".
you're just making yourself sound foolish
I can only assume you've not played many MMOs if you think its different. The only real difference is they've taken away the need to click on a NPC to get a quest.
I've started with Meridian 59 (in 1996) and have played every major and some minor MMOs.
keep talking. every sentence tell us how clueless you are.
have you ever heard of gear grind?
that's 99% of WoW's gameplay and 0% of GW2's
and that's just 1 example.
there are no quests in gw2, not just no exclamation marks.
the whole game is designed to be the opposite of WoW.
I can only assume you've not played many MMOs if you think its different. The only real difference is they've taken away the need to click on a NPC to get a quest.
rather not clutter this thread w GW2 but i totally disagree
theres other things that are very different in GW2
- like auto "level scaling" the player to whatever content they are explorin
level doesnt matter; can make experience in any zone, regardless of your level
I can only assume you've not played many MMOs if you think its different. The only real difference is they've taken away the need to click on a NPC to get a quest.
rather not clutter this thread w GW2 but i totally disagree
theres other things that are very different in GW2
- like auto "level scaling" the player to whatever content they are explorin
level doesnt matter; can make experience in any zone, regardless of your level
- non competitive harvest nodes
- non competitive mob tagging
and many others
CoH has auto scaling on its world bosses. It and other MMOs (e.g. CO, EQ2) have level scaling mechanics, so higher levels can assist lower level ones, while still getting rewards. GW2's mechanics is an evolution of this.
TSW has non-competitive mobs, as does CoH (world bosses). Again GW2 is an evolution, not something completely different.
SWG had non-competitive harvesting, as "nodes" covered an area. So harvesters were spread out to collect the resource. The only limiting factor was the size of that area, and how many harvesters would fit.
There's little new in GW2. It just an evolution/re-packaging of some pre-existing mechanics.
I have played WoW 3 times in my life, each time I have gotten bored of the game and quit within 3-4 months, then again the first time I quit I was frustrated because I was stuck and kept dying in an area at level 37 with no group and the other 2 times were on private servers who did not exactly offer the full wow experience.
Now Im thinking about playing it again when I get a gaming computer at christmas, only have a small netbook right now, can't play games on it.
Would it be worth playing again ? I don't like guild wars 2 because the lore isn't so great and there is no factions, being part of a faction is important to me, feeling that sense of purpose and having an enemy faction. There is also no world pvp, I love world pvp, all you have is that realm vs realm vs realm crap, if I want big huge battles I can get that in Planet Side 2, GW2 is not for me.
So should I play it again? I just hope I won't get bored of the game in 3-4 months again, I guess I will only know for sure if I play it again. Im thinking of a RP-PVP server, what realm has the best world pvp? I would probably wanna join a high pop realm where horde and alliance are almost equal in numbers.
Personally I feel there are better games out and there will be more new stuff the subscription model is out of date IMO and they need you to keep grinding to get money from you and I feel that WoW will crash in a big way very soon as they have lost lots of subscriptions and the company have no other way of making money after the disaster of D3. They need people like you to keep thinking like this so that the suits can keep hold of their income. They have tried to sell the company this year because the suits know there is no way this can keep making the profits it used to when they had 10mill subs.
The thing is only you will know if it's worth going back and no one else can make that decission for you so good luck deciding.
Playing: GW2 Waiting on: TESO Next Flop: Planetside 2 Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Even if wow is slowly dying they probably won't go below 5 million subscriptions for the next 6-8 years, Blizzard is making more expansions, there will be at least 4 more expansions after MOP.
I agree GW2 does nothing new except for WvWvW, it is the same old generic mmorpg formula. Whatever happened to seamless mmorpg's where you actually control your sword and shield and magic attacks would be like an fps! This has already been done in Mortal online and Darkfall but those games had crap game engines.
Only game I can think of that has something like that is Elder Scrolls Online but to bad it has the same game engine as TOR. If you wan't an innovative new MMO, check out Otherland. Im sick of this same old MMORPG garbage I need something new and GW2 does not cut it.
The new wow is pretty much... "do this for a few months, have it go out of date and get new freebies, repeat". If your a hardcore or oldschool raider or anything its probably one of the worst game to get into. At the same time, considering the lack of options its all up to you. Rift might be a good alternative for you, though it does have some of the 'bad' practices on there was well.
If your looking for a game to just play 'for fun' and drown time away then GW2 could be for you maybe, its all depending really what your looking for. I'd just not recomend WoW... its been going down hill since wotlk.
I don't know what the game is like now that the 5.0.4 patch has dropped, but I can say several things based on what I have experienced on my former server:
World PVP only exists in small pocket areas here and there, most commonly near major cities like Orgrimmar, Stormwind, maybe Thunderbluff every once in a while. The only other place I know that has World PVP would be the Gurubashi Arena, and that's once every 3 hours for a chest of outdated loot (although apparently still appealing for the trinket and achievement). City raids to me are pretty much dead, due to overbuffed guards and a heavy concentration of people in Stormwind/Orgrimmar, and just a general lack of interest from my former faction.
Leveling is roughly the same, as far as I'm concerned. More phasing and maybe some interesting stories here and there, sure, but roughly the same otherwise. My only beef is the heavy nerfs to elite mobs in the leveling zones; kinda makes my victories over the zones anticlimactic to be honest.
The world is pretty empty, going with the World PVP thing I mentioned earlier. You might see the occasional leveler or some guy doing archaeology, but otherwise, it can get lonely pretty fast.
You can do everything from a major city. Dungeons, PVP, Crafting, and now Raids. Whether you see that as a good thing or not depends on how much you care about the point I made above.
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Though the game is just top heavy at the moment (same old stuff and everyone is maxed out on gear for the most part), the fact remains that no game is doing anything particulary new that WoW hasn't already mastered.
Sure you can go run a few Rifts in Rft...or play their three faction same race pvp...but there's nothing in Rift that compares to WoW's content and at least WoW still knows how to create different races per faction (though they fail on class originality between factions).
You can play GW2..but again, it's just the same races and classes beating each other up. You see lots of red names in a pvp zone but again, the races and classes are ALL THE SAME across factions. So it's not like in a fantasy novel or movie where you ENEMY IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU ARE lol.
mmorpgs are so cut and paste these days that they even cut and paste themselves...such as in repeated races and classes in pvp zones. Sure that red named dude is your enemy...but he's an Asura ranger just like you! lol.
I'd play WoW if I want a fun theme park mmorpg. I'd play Dark Age of Camelot if I want to level up in pvp, see old school graphics (no cartoons), and lots of siege warfare with 44 classes and 24 races, across three factions. Each realm has 50 levels of its own territory and for fun there is a huge epic dungeon called Darkness Falls where the three factions can pvp each other while they pve. Cool stuff and UNLIKE all mmorpgs on the market (other than Vanguard), the lore is strictly followed. So while one faction has the paladin class, you won't see it in say, the viking realm lol.
enjoy!
as a vet wow player (3-5 years on and off playing) id say the game has reached an all new low. all classes are now over simplified, and some good ways, but mostly bad. Unlike the last patch, all classes were pretty balanced imo, and there wasnt a FotM class at the time, as far as i know. but now? Warriors, Pallys, and i think Mages are the way to go. thats 3 FotM classes spawned by one patch... not only that, learning a class takes 0 brain power now, effectively making you feel like a zombie while leveling since all your spells/skills are handed to you as you level, and are told what your basic skill/spell rotation is.
in short, save your money for newer mmo's. personally, I'm waiting for FFXIV: A Realm Reborn. old school jobs system mixed with breath-taking graphics in a massive world? yes please!
that just tells everyone here that you've never taken a look at guild wars 2.
you just assume that because in wow one ranger is just like the other, it would be the same in a game that does away with this nonsense and is designed to allow hundreds of different builds.
your wording tells me that you have no idea how massive WvW is.
"...in a pvp zone..." this is not warhammer. there are no pvp zones
and having your own banners hang from the walls of a conquered castle is not differentiation enough for you?
pls tell me, how is a horizontally scaling game like GW2 in any way like a gear grind/vertically scaling MMO like WoW?
GW2 is so different, it's almost a new genre.
GW2 is no different; it’s just presented in a slightly different package. I'm not even keen on MoP, but know it’s doing to be successful.
You may like posing X-Fire trends, while WoW is quiet due to the pre-expansion wait. However you are going to see GW2's figures get trashed in a few weeks.
To the OP, I'm really not sure if WoW is worth playing. It’s not really evolved in a positive way, and I'm sure end game will once again be nothing but a gear grind in MoP. You'll likely enjoy the levelling, as that's at least one thing they have improved on over the yearsgw2 is the opposite of that.
why not try an mmo that was not so rejected it went into development again and had to relaunch.
fool me once... and all that
gw2 has a market share on xfire over over 50% among all MMOs. why? biggest PvE, good crafting (5000+ cooking recipes) and best combat
your English is abysmal....
maybe you did not understand my post.
but literally no one who has even looked at gw2 would call it "no different".
you're just making yourself sound foolish
I can only assume you've not played many MMOs if you think its different. The only real difference is they've taken away the need to click on a NPC to get a quest.
I've started with Meridian 59 (in 1996) and have played every major and some minor MMOs.
keep talking. every sentence tell us how clueless you are.
have you ever heard of gear grind?
that's 99% of WoW's gameplay and 0% of GW2's
and that's just 1 example.
there are no quests in gw2, not just no exclamation marks.
the whole game is designed to be the opposite of WoW.
rather not clutter this thread w GW2 but i totally disagree
theres other things that are very different in GW2
- like auto "level scaling" the player to whatever content they are explorin
level doesnt matter; can make experience in any zone, regardless of your level
- non competitive harvest nodes
- non competitive mob tagging
and many others
EQ2 fan sites
Yeah, right! Never seen those in other MMOs. Oh wait!
WoW's leveling has been way less grinding since Cata.
name other mmos that did what i listed ...
EQ2 fan sites
CoH has auto scaling on its world bosses. It and other MMOs (e.g. CO, EQ2) have level scaling mechanics, so higher levels can assist lower level ones, while still getting rewards. GW2's mechanics is an evolution of this.
TSW has non-competitive mobs, as does CoH (world bosses). Again GW2 is an evolution, not something completely different.
SWG had non-competitive harvesting, as "nodes" covered an area. So harvesters were spread out to collect the resource. The only limiting factor was the size of that area, and how many harvesters would fit.
There's little new in GW2. It just an evolution/re-packaging of some pre-existing mechanics.
COH scaling is situational - its not all mobs, all zones, all the time
hell i could have said the same thing about EQ2 mentoring
no mmo does autoscaling on the entire world, like GW2
EQ2 fan sites
I think he's a troll...
no one looking at gw2 can claim that it's got nothing new
As I said, its an evolution. Scaling to level is not something new.
One could autoscale the whole world in any MMO that had such mechanic. Just GW2 does it automatically, without the need for being grouped.
However, we are hijacking this thread so will leave it there.
now 100% sure he's trolling... read his last reply... don't argue with him. he know's we're right...
he just trolls
I agree - this is a WOW thread
EQ2 fan sites
Personally I feel there are better games out and there will be more new stuff the subscription model is out of date IMO and they need you to keep grinding to get money from you and I feel that WoW will crash in a big way very soon as they have lost lots of subscriptions and the company have no other way of making money after the disaster of D3. They need people like you to keep thinking like this so that the suits can keep hold of their income. They have tried to sell the company this year because the suits know there is no way this can keep making the profits it used to when they had 10mill subs.
The thing is only you will know if it's worth going back and no one else can make that decission for you so good luck deciding.
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Asbo
If you want to continue the discussion create another thread. This doesn't belong in this one.
In a word: NO
Its the same thing as before but dumbed down to the point of kiddie like status.
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Playing: GW2
Waiting on: TESO
Next Flop: Planetside 2
Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.
Even if wow is slowly dying they probably won't go below 5 million subscriptions for the next 6-8 years, Blizzard is making more expansions, there will be at least 4 more expansions after MOP.
I agree GW2 does nothing new except for WvWvW, it is the same old generic mmorpg formula. Whatever happened to seamless mmorpg's where you actually control your sword and shield and magic attacks would be like an fps! This has already been done in Mortal online and Darkfall but those games had crap game engines.
Only game I can think of that has something like that is Elder Scrolls Online but to bad it has the same game engine as TOR. If you wan't an innovative new MMO, check out Otherland. Im sick of this same old MMORPG garbage I need something new and GW2 does not cut it.
The new wow is pretty much... "do this for a few months, have it go out of date and get new freebies, repeat". If your a hardcore or oldschool raider or anything its probably one of the worst game to get into. At the same time, considering the lack of options its all up to you. Rift might be a good alternative for you, though it does have some of the 'bad' practices on there was well.
If your looking for a game to just play 'for fun' and drown time away then GW2 could be for you maybe, its all depending really what your looking for. I'd just not recomend WoW... its been going down hill since wotlk.
Only the single larges MMO playerbase might not agree.
Everyone says WoW has wrecked the Genre since 2004. I say, no, only since 2008. But that's the difference in our opinions.
I liked it through the 1st expansion.
I don't know what the game is like now that the 5.0.4 patch has dropped, but I can say several things based on what I have experienced on my former server: