this game is going to be a disaster zone on an epic level and for those who say we dont know anything about the game, yes we do.
It is the great cliche. We are told "you don't know anything" when all we did was quote the developer teling you exactly what the game will include.
It is like the low information voter who claims "I voted for the guy, but never expected he would do this", when "this" happened to be what the individual actually campaigned on.
We know what ESO will be, and what it won't be. The questions aren't "what will the game be" but rather "does it set out to do what it sets out to do" and "am I interested in what it offers."
Subjective answers all of them. But we know what ESO is.
Well being someone who played morrowind, oblivion, and skyrim i think by making an elders scrolls game that isn't an elders scrolls game was a bad idea. Regardless of wether or not it is a good game it will not be what it should be. I hope it is good but am dissapointed regardless. I think they set themselves up badly with this one.
Was World of Warcraft like Warcraft 1, 2 or 3?
Things don't always have to be the same to be a successful, great game.
Someone hasnt played the Rexxar Campaign.
Bingo. And that was a free bit of marketing blizzard did there for WoW. Not only to guide fans slowly into the RPG format, but to show people that they could handle things of an RPG nature competently. And if it failed, oh well, was just a one-off campaign for an expansion pack!
Blizzard knew the change was going to be particularly jarring for long-term fans of the Warcraft series. So they guided them slowly in. First episode to dip their feet in, then going even higher on RPG nature for episodes II and III, and leaving you wondering "imagine if I could do this with 4 fellow players instead of just computer AI?"
It should be obvious by now, but Blizzard wasn't stupid.
This is the internet, informed rational discussion is elsewhere. Take the deal with the Hero engine. Just because Bioware used an old version and made a bag game with it, doesn't make the engine bad. And TESO's lead also claims the Hero engine was only used for prototyping and is not going to be the final engine.
But hey! Why let facts get in the way, bash a game you only seen a trailer of because another game company made a bad game.
This is the internet, informed rational discussion is elsewhere. Take the deal with the Hero engine. Just because Bioware used an old version and made a bag game with it, doesn't make the engine bad. And TESO's lead also claims the Hero engine was only used for prototyping and is not going to be the final engine.
But hey! Why let facts get in the way, bash a game you only seen a trailer of because another game company made a bad game.
When you sit down and turn on the TV and the news caster says 'there will be a football game tonight at 11 with one team vs another team'
Then there is a good chance that is actually going to be what happens at 11, would you not agree?
So when Zenimax says 'there will be no housing and you will have to choose between three factions' I think there is good reason to expect that there will be 3 forced factions and no housing. DO you disagree with that?
These are the statements we are basing our views off of
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
this game is going to be a disaster zone on an epic level and for those who say we dont know anything about the game, yes we do.
It is the great cliche. We are told "you don't know anything" when all we did was quote the developer teling you exactly what the game will include.
It is like the low information voter who claims "I voted for the guy, but never expected he would do this", when "this" happened to be what the individual actually campaigned on.
We know what ESO will be, and what it won't be. The questions aren't "what will the game be" but rather "does it set out to do what it sets out to do" and "am I interested in what it offers."
Subjective answers all of them. But we know what ESO is.
its like sitting on the couch with someone watching the TV and the advertisment says 'the game will start at 11 and will be team x vs team y' and the guy next to you says 'we have no idea when the game starts'
Its stupidity at a level that makes me wonder if zenimax isnt paying people to come on message boards.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
This is the internet, informed rational discussion is elsewhere. Take the deal with the Hero engine. Just because Bioware used an old version and made a bag game with it, doesn't make the engine bad. And TESO's lead also claims the Hero engine was only used for prototyping and is not going to be the final engine.
But hey! Why let facts get in the way, bash a game you only seen a trailer of because another game company made a bad game.
When you sit down and turn on the TV and the news caster says 'there will be a football game tonight at 11 with one team vs another team'
Then there is a good chance that is actually going to be what happens at 11, would you not agree?
So when Zenimax says 'there will be no housing and you will have to choose between three factions' I think there is good reason to expect that there will be 3 forced factions and no housing. DO you disagree with that?
These are the statements we are basing our views off of
And when someone says "so you're basing the quality of a game on what it isn't, rather than what it is" would you disagree with that?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
this game is going to be a disaster zone on an epic level and for those who say we dont know anything about the game, yes we do.
It is the great cliche. We are told "you don't know anything" when all we did was quote the developer teling you exactly what the game will include.
It is like the low information voter who claims "I voted for the guy, but never expected he would do this", when "this" happened to be what the individual actually campaigned on.
We know what ESO will be, and what it won't be. The questions aren't "what will the game be" but rather "does it set out to do what it sets out to do" and "am I interested in what it offers."
Subjective answers all of them. But we know what ESO is.
Yes because TOR had an "endgame never seen before"... And AOC had "drunken brawling".
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is the internet, informed rational discussion is elsewhere. Take the deal with the Hero engine. Just because Bioware used an old version and made a bag game with it, doesn't make the engine bad. And TESO's lead also claims the Hero engine was only used for prototyping and is not going to be the final engine.
But hey! Why let facts get in the way, bash a game you only seen a trailer of because another game company made a bad game.
When you sit down and turn on the TV and the news caster says 'there will be a football game tonight at 11 with one team vs another team'
Then there is a good chance that is actually going to be what happens at 11, would you not agree?
So when Zenimax says 'there will be no housing and you will have to choose between three factions' I think there is good reason to expect that there will be 3 forced factions and no housing. DO you disagree with that?
These are the statements we are basing our views off of
And when someone says "so you're basing the quality of a game on what it isn't, rather than what it is" would you disagree with that?
if you are a football fan and the advertiser on the TV says 'we will have a show at 11pm but its NOT a football game' then sure you could watch it if you are curious but if you want to watch a football game that would not be the channel you would watch at 11 pm now would it?
do we really have to explain this?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
this game is going to be a disaster zone on an epic level and for those who say we dont know anything about the game, yes we do.
It is the great cliche. We are told "you don't know anything" when all we did was quote the developer teling you exactly what the game will include.
It is like the low information voter who claims "I voted for the guy, but never expected he would do this", when "this" happened to be what the individual actually campaigned on.
We know what ESO will be, and what it won't be. The questions aren't "what will the game be" but rather "does it set out to do what it sets out to do" and "am I interested in what it offers."
Subjective answers all of them. But we know what ESO is.
Yes because TOR had an "endgame never seen before"... And AOC had "drunken brawling".
In TOR's defense, they were correct:
No big game MMO has ever had an endgame that flippin buggy and that flippin unfinished, and that flippin unsatisfying.
ESO says it is going to be tab based targeting, locked factions, no player housing because it is to "difficult", and basing most of its concepts off of standard MMO cliches, because that is what sells. We also know they don't view it an MMO, but "an online RPG."
So once again, for people who don't want a boring cliche, what more info do they need?
Elder Scrolls main audience are single player game players, not MMO players (although they do play it as well).
I guess what I am trying to say is that they don't need hype, when it releases the fans from the single player games will flock to it bringing a lot of MMO players with them.
They haven't made any bold claims or attacked world of warcraft like other MMO makers, they are beign quiet. Hopefully silent but deadly, we will have to see.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Originally posted by PyrateLV How does one hype poop in a bucket?
"We've taken everything you have loved about a fresh wild shit in the woods as well as the features of a more mainstream crap one would find in modern toilets and combined the two.
We give you: Turd in a Bucket"
Thats how you hype
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
You watch, elder scrolls is going to be a solid offering, I am basing this totally off karma as we know nothing much about the game, all we knew for sure is that butt hurt regular elder scrolls fan feels betrayed because it doesn't have fps wackamole combat
and as such flames it none stop.
the game was announced this summer
i dont see Titan or EQNext getting hype either
once they start showing game features -- hype will build
You watch, elder scrolls is going to be a solid offering, I am basing this totally off karma as we know nothing much about the game, all we knew for sure is that butt hurt regular elder scrolls fan feels betrayed because it doesn't have fps wackamole combat
and as such flames it none stop.
Could not care less about the FPS whack-a-mole combat. What bothers me (and I think most other TES fans) is that TESo will be a fixed faction game set in the TES world but basically be a WoW clone without the sandbox features that we love so much about TES
Perhaps more hype and fansites will be out in the future. But for right now, I just don't see this game clicking. I don't understand why first of all the title, and second of all they really need to make some improvements to make this game better than other MMOs like WoW and Guild Wars.
The lack of hype is because they're making a wow copy while slapping an TES sticker on it. It's an insult to both the TES series, and to the fans loving the franchise.
This game will crash and burn, and concidering the amount of bugs TES games are usually shipped with, I'm expecting TESO to have the worst release in the history of MMOs.
You watch, elder scrolls is going to be a solid offering, I am basing this totally off karma as we know nothing much about the game, all we knew for sure is that butt hurt regular elder scrolls fan feels betrayed because it doesn't have fps wackamole combat
and as such flames it none stop.
Could not care less about the FPS whack-a-mole combat. What bothers me (and I think most other TES fans) is that TESo will be a fixed faction game set in the TES world but basically be a WoW clone without the sandbox features that we love so much about TES
FPS 'whack-a-mole' combat is just about the only thing that won't get called a wow-clone these days. And even then I wouldn't bet on it.
Perhaps more hype and fansites will be out in the future. But for right now, I just don't see this game clicking. I don't understand why first of all the title, and second of all they really need to make some improvements to make this game better than other MMOs like WoW and Guild Wars.
The lack of hype is because they're making a wow copy while slapping an TES sticker on it. It's an insult to both the TES series, and to the fans loving the franchise.
Perhaps more hype and fansites will be out in the future. But for right now, I just don't see this game clicking. I don't understand why first of all the title, and second of all they really need to make some improvements to make this game better than other MMOs like WoW and Guild Wars.
The lack of hype is because they're making a wow copy while slapping an TES sticker on it. It's an insult to both the TES series, and to the fans loving the franchise.
This game will crash and burn, and concidering the amount of bugs TES games are usually shipped with, I'm expecting TESO to have the worst release in the history of MMOs.
It isn't even the same developers..... Not even the same company..... Do you even have a clue? At least get the facts before making an opinion.....
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It is the great cliche. We are told "you don't know anything" when all we did was quote the developer teling you exactly what the game will include.
It is like the low information voter who claims "I voted for the guy, but never expected he would do this", when "this" happened to be what the individual actually campaigned on.
We know what ESO will be, and what it won't be. The questions aren't "what will the game be" but rather "does it set out to do what it sets out to do" and "am I interested in what it offers."
Subjective answers all of them. But we know what ESO is.
Bingo. And that was a free bit of marketing blizzard did there for WoW. Not only to guide fans slowly into the RPG format, but to show people that they could handle things of an RPG nature competently. And if it failed, oh well, was just a one-off campaign for an expansion pack!
Blizzard knew the change was going to be particularly jarring for long-term fans of the Warcraft series. So they guided them slowly in. First episode to dip their feet in, then going even higher on RPG nature for episodes II and III, and leaving you wondering "imagine if I could do this with 4 fellow players instead of just computer AI?"
It should be obvious by now, but Blizzard wasn't stupid.
Can TESO do something similar? I doubt it.
This is the internet, informed rational discussion is elsewhere. Take the deal with the Hero engine. Just because Bioware used an old version and made a bag game with it, doesn't make the engine bad. And TESO's lead also claims the Hero engine was only used for prototyping and is not going to be the final engine.
But hey! Why let facts get in the way, bash a game you only seen a trailer of because another game company made a bad game.
When you sit down and turn on the TV and the news caster says 'there will be a football game tonight at 11 with one team vs another team'
Then there is a good chance that is actually going to be what happens at 11, would you not agree?
So when Zenimax says 'there will be no housing and you will have to choose between three factions' I think there is good reason to expect that there will be 3 forced factions and no housing. DO you disagree with that?
These are the statements we are basing our views off of
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
its like sitting on the couch with someone watching the TV and the advertisment says 'the game will start at 11 and will be team x vs team y' and the guy next to you says 'we have no idea when the game starts'
Its stupidity at a level that makes me wonder if zenimax isnt paying people to come on message boards.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
no u dont captain obvious.
play the game then u might know something
And when someone says "so you're basing the quality of a game on what it isn't, rather than what it is" would you disagree with that?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes because TOR had an "endgame never seen before"... And AOC had "drunken brawling".
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
if you are a football fan and the advertiser on the TV says 'we will have a show at 11pm but its NOT a football game' then sure you could watch it if you are curious but if you want to watch a football game that would not be the channel you would watch at 11 pm now would it?
do we really have to explain this?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
In TOR's defense, they were correct:
No big game MMO has ever had an endgame that flippin buggy and that flippin unfinished, and that flippin unsatisfying.
ESO says it is going to be tab based targeting, locked factions, no player housing because it is to "difficult", and basing most of its concepts off of standard MMO cliches, because that is what sells. We also know they don't view it an MMO, but "an online RPG."
So once again, for people who don't want a boring cliche, what more info do they need?
Elder Scrolls main audience are single player game players, not MMO players (although they do play it as well).
I guess what I am trying to say is that they don't need hype, when it releases the fans from the single player games will flock to it bringing a lot of MMO players with them.
They haven't made any bold claims or attacked world of warcraft like other MMO makers, they are beign quiet. Hopefully silent but deadly, we will have to see.
Guild Wars 2 Thief Guide - Elder Scrolls Online Guide
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Hahahahah ^this. I cant think of an MMO from a major IP that people have literally cared less about...ever.
Dragnon - Guildmaster - Albion Central Bank in Albion Online
www.albioncentralbank.enjin.com
"We've taken everything you have loved about a fresh wild shit in the woods as well as the features of a more mainstream crap one would find in modern toilets and combined the two.
We give you: Turd in a Bucket"
Thats how you hype
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
8th sign of pure genius
Guild Wars 2 Thief Guide - Elder Scrolls Online Guide
the game was announced this summer
i dont see Titan or EQNext getting hype either
once they start showing game features -- hype will build
EQ2 fan sites
Could not care less about the FPS whack-a-mole combat. What bothers me (and I think most other TES fans) is that TESo will be a fixed faction game set in the TES world but basically be a WoW clone without the sandbox features that we love so much about TES
The lack of hype is because they're making a wow copy while slapping an TES sticker on it. It's an insult to both the TES series, and to the fans loving the franchise.
This game will crash and burn, and concidering the amount of bugs TES games are usually shipped with, I'm expecting TESO to have the worst release in the history of MMOs.
FPS 'whack-a-mole' combat is just about the only thing that won't get called a wow-clone these days. And even then I wouldn't bet on it.
Just like Oblivion was, when it came out...
It isn't even the same developers..... Not even the same company..... Do you even have a clue? At least get the facts before making an opinion.....