Originally posted by Zhanghia It does seem reasonable but can you imagine them just.. ugh.. it just doesn't even seem recognizable for an MMO. I mean they somehow managed to make it work with WoW but in Starcraft there's more than just foot troops, there's space ships, nuclear missiles (yes, it's spelled missiles) and tanks. It just doesn't seem like Starcraft if you see a hydralisk grinding on bunnies when they're supposed to invade; Zergs don't care for their numbers because they can always breed more and that doesn't fit with the way MMO's are. WoW made it work because every life is precious.. and Starcraft just has too many variables.
i kno there are just foot soldiers in SC, but there are more than foot soldiers in WC too like the tanks, the dwarf copters, seige weapons, dragons, etc and you cant play as those and they made it work. and they can make the quests focus on invading on a certain area, or protecting a certain area, etc. BTW the zerg is like the undead, the undead can just undeadinize corpses and boom they have another soldier and if you didnt notice you can play undead in the game, and besides, they may not care as much as the other races, but they must view each of there units as somewhat important b/c wouldnt you want 1 million and one units rather than just a million. One more CAN make a diferrence
Originally posted by Strangerr Originally posted by SONOFAGUNN What about if they did it so you could only play as a Protoss or a Human? The Zerg would be the common enemy and you would fight each other also... a 3-way battle ! The balance issues would be horrendous ......... So I would think that it would be almost impossible to make it and do it well enough to keep peoples intrest for long.
Wanted to write the exact same thing .. Just make it that zergs are common ennemy and protos and humans area playable . Then we got 2 sides + the main ennemy .I think it sounds fair and could be done , and I think in the future when they realize they can make ALOT of cash out of starcraft fanboys (ALOT OF THEM) they will eventualy try to make a WoS ... But dont count on that happening soon
Hmmm, didnt see this part of the discussion b4 i wrote my post above. thats an excellent idea they could twist the story line so that the toss and the terran ally and w/e. or they could make it so that T and toss are only playable but the still hate eachother.
I really didnt count on this game coming out, every idea i come up with i dont plan on happening i just want to get opinions on it
definately possible and i would say even though starcraft only has 1 game, 1 expansion and 1 other game coming out for console gaming i believe it has enough content to make a into being a mmo. On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.
what/how would be the classes? vehicles? balance? maybe something like SWG?
On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.
Umm...What?? The Terran Marine would be the "warrior class"
Just because they use guns and dont fight up close doesnt mean they arent warriors...I would very much consider, say, an Army Ranger, or a member of the USMC to be a warrior..
I'd dig it anyday...more than World of Warcraft anyways...
If World of Starcraft ever came out...you can be sure that it'll be the most populated MMO in just a month...due to all the korean fanboys=me.
Noone can guarantee it'd be successful, ut I can guarantee that...if it's anywher near WoW level...it'll just be the most populated from all the korean users alone :P
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month? Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools? MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Originally posted by Ceredwynn definately possible and i would say even though starcraft only has 1 game, 1 expansion and 1 other game coming out for console gaming i believe it has enough content to make a into being a mmo. On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.what/how would be the classes? vehicles? balance? maybe something like SWG?
Remember not every race needs a definate "warrior" Class. Just because wow has every race able to be warrior doesnt mean that wos would have to. Blizzard can use some of the main units u used in SC and make other units. I havent played WC in a long time but i dont think i remember shamans in there( please corret me if there were) You underestimate the level of creativity that Blizzard has
Originally posted by Ceredwynn definately possible and i would say even though starcraft only has 1 game, 1 expansion and 1 other game coming out for console gaming i believe it has enough content to make a into being a mmo. On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.what/how would be the classes? vehicles? balance? maybe something like SWG?
Remember not every race needs a definate "warrior" Class. Just because wow has every race able to be warrior doesnt mean that wos would have to. Blizzard can use some of the main units u used in SC and make other units. I havent played WC in a long time but i dont think i remember shamans in there( please corret me if there were) You underestimate the level of creativity that Blizzard has
Originally posted by Zhanghia Originally posted by Mikesta707Originally posted by Ceredwynndefinately possible and i would say even though starcraft only has 1 game, 1 expansion and 1 other game coming out for console gaming i believe it has enough content to make a into being a mmo. On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.what/how would be the classes? vehicles? balance? maybe something like SWG? Remember not every race needs a definate "warrior" Class. Just because wow has every race able to be warrior doesnt mean that wos would have to. Blizzard can use some of the main units u used in SC and make other units. I havent played WC in a long time but i dont think i remember shamans in there( please corret me if there were) You underestimate the level of creativity that Blizzard hasThey did, remember bloodlust?
What would be great is if they made it a mmofps. With first/third person view. Make it kinda like planetside, where you get 3 sides with forts etc to capture, as well as missions to go into crashed/abandoned spaceships. Have it be like wow battlegrounds, imagine walking through a spaceship as terran/protoss hearing your boats clunk as your exploring, then you hear some hisses and you tell your team to be ready(maybe have built in voice communication) then just as you turn a corner a zergling leaps out and slashes at you and your team starts firing on him as a few more come from around the corner and then some hydralisks come from behind and start attacking and your team turns to blast them and the zerglings that came from around the corner starting attacking em from behind, but somehow say a medic and a firebat(of course weapon choices would be more customizeable im just using a general way to describe chars) are like ya we won! then all of a suddena blade pierces through the medics armor and the firebat turns and sees the dt and they start fighting.
For terran you could buy the vehicles and say the battlecruisers are extremely expensive and whenever one crashes it spawns the instance. Which you can request to enter through your map.
Marines can buy and equip different grades of armor and weapons as well as more customized types. Protoss can do basically the same only melee/parts. Zerg start off as zerglings and can mutate body parts to be stronger/sharper/harder.
It's really not that hard to imagine if you think besides wheres my inventory so i can carry 10000 pounds of armor.
For prtoss you get different types of blasters and energy blades and cool space armor and what not.
The humans get like rifles and pistols and knifes and grenades and stuff and can get different vehicles like vultures and waat not.
Zergs can get different skins and like spines coming off for armor and stuff. and you can train to evolove into different things.
OR
Have no Zerg playable race at all and you can play as protoss and humans vs each otehr and zergs are creep to level off of.
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Originally posted by tu_uilwen I honestly thin it could be done.For prtoss you get different types of blasters and energy blades and cool space armor and what not.The humans get like rifles and pistols and knifes and grenades and stuff and can get different vehicles like vultures and waat not.Zergs can get different skins and like spines coming off for armor and stuff. and you can train to evolove into different things.OR Have no Zerg playable race at all and you can play as protoss and humans vs each otehr and zergs are creep to level off of.
I completely agree like for the terran u can get like vultures (for Lowbies) then tanks, then wraiths, and then bc's once you reach like level 100 or you do a qquest (And they would be extremly expensive. The toss could get the dragoon thing, then scouts, etc. till cruisers.
Also another cool thing would be when you get a guild, if you the leader, the people in ur guild and their ships are like under your control in a way, so that you have like ur own fleet (For PvP, there could be air battles, and ground battles). Maybe a guild could have like a status system so that once u reach a certain status, (through pvp or instancing, etc.) you could get like ur own city, and eventually ur own planet
If Blizzard learn and improve the gameplays they put in WoW, it could beat WoW.
But learning is pretty hard when you are on top, who to listen, what is successfull, what is a mistake. It take a wisdom I am not sure Blizzard ever have.
For a world of Starcraft to be really successfull, Blizzard needs another company to show them the way, they learn well when they are behind. But when they lead, Blizzard is extremely poor at learning from the leading position, prolly even worser then SoE...so they better wait for another game to beat WoW before they start working on WoS. Unless they have more wisdom then I believe...yet, I doubt that...a LOT!
Blizzard learn from EQ and Lineage before making WoW the product it is today. They learn from Black Isles and many RPGs before making Diablo. They learn from RST rivals before making Starcraft. Can Blizzard learn from WoW to make WoS? I doubt it. They prolly needs a rival to beat WoW. Diablo II, Warcraft/starcraft later versions and all their follow up on themselves are not really as successfull as hoped for...Blizzard is a good second, but a poor leader, always challenging the leader.
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Originally posted by Anofalye If Blizzard learn and improve the gameplays they put in WoW, it could beat WoW.
But learning is pretty hard when you are on top, who to listen, what is successfull, what is a mistake. It take a wisdom I am not sure Blizzard ever have.
For a world of Starcraft to be really successfull, Blizzard needs another company to show them the way, they learn well when they are behind. But when they lead, Blizzard is extremely poor at learning from the leading position, prolly even worser then SoE...so they better wait for another game to beat WoW before they start working on WoS. Unless they have more wisdom then I believe...yet, I doubt that...a LOT!
Blizzard learn from EQ and Lineage before making WoW the product it is today. They learn from Black Isles and many RPGs before making Diablo. They learn from RST rivals before making Starcraft. Can Blizzard learn from WoW to make WoS? I doubt it. They prolly needs a rival to beat WoW. Diablo II, Warcraft/starcraft later versions and all their follow up on themselves are not really as successfull as hoped for...Blizzard is a good second, but a poor leader, always challenging the leader.
I disagree. I think you are underestimating the imagination and abilities of Blizzard, which is one of my favorite companies (Maybe why I have alot of faith in them). They may learn better when they are not leading a certain genre, but that doesnt mean that they still wont learn from mistakes they made. They can look at games that are behind theirs in popularity, and not do what they did. They can see what alienates certain people,(I hope i used that right) making them not want to play WoW, and not do that with WoS, if they were going to make it. If they dont do it quite right on the first try, they can just release patches for it. TThere are alot of ways they can make it right. Besides what i said above (Which is basically to do research). They can ask the fans. Post forum questions to see how WE would like the game to be made. I probably have more faith than alot of people in gaming corporations but i still beleive they can do it very well.
Originally posted by Matthew- A "world of starcraft" would completely demolish all remaining hopes for "world of warcraft". Which is bad. Quite bad. even though, taken for granted, WoS would be better than WoW. yet at the same time it sounds kinda crazy.
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No, not at all. It may convert some fans of WoW into WoS, but it wouldnt "kill" any "hopes" for WoW at all. It may be better, it may be worse, but i bet alot of people will play it either way. BTW, of course it sounds crazy. I bet when people discussed making the first video game, some people thought it was crazy, but now its a multi-billion dollar bussiness.
Anyone here ever played Natural Selection? It is a half life mod that very closely resembles say a terran zerg battle; but instead they are called marines and aliens.
The gameplay involves having a captain for the marines who decides where structures go; and the aliens work by evolving and such to stronger life forms; as you get points from killing other players; Structures require resources; so you are constantly seeking out life and such
Originally posted by kboy_5 Anyone here ever played Natural Selection? It is a half life mod that very closely resembles say a terran zerg battle; but instead they are called marines and aliens. The gameplay involves having a captain for the marines who decides where structures go; and the aliens work by evolving and such to stronger life forms; as you get points from killing other players; Structures require resources; so you are constantly seeking out life and such really fun; i could see a mmofps game out of this
This would be a pretty cool idea for pvp. This will also settle arguments for who the leader will be (A big prob in some BG's in WoW that i've played). The could even have a system where the more you win as leader, the more you ar eleader, so that we have defined leaders and troops or w/e.
I am more leaning towards MMORPG rather than FPS, but it would be cool if you could switch to First person mode for pvp or sumthing like that
Originally posted by kboy_5 Anyone here ever played Natural Selection? It is a half life mod that very closely resembles say a terran zerg battle; but instead they are called marines and aliens.
The gameplay involves having a captain for the marines who decides where structures go; and the aliens work by evolving and such to stronger life forms; as you get points from killing other players; Structures require resources; so you are constantly seeking out life and such
really fun; i could see a mmofps game out of this
This would be a pretty cool idea for pvp. This will also settle arguments for who the leader will be (A big prob in some BG's in WoW that i've played). The could even have a system where the more you win as leader, the more you ar eleader, so that we have defined leaders and troops or w/e.
I am more leaning towards MMORPG rather than FPS, but it would be cool if you could switch to First person mode for pvp or sumthing like that
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Anyway.. what I think anyway is what Horizons should've been. e.g. zerg is already implanted on the planet and they're trying to make a settlement so while they're in the early stages, they have to deal with zerg invasions, poisoned food and lost livestock from the zerg while later on they can try to push them back once they'gve got some experience on their hands. And it'd be retroactive, if no humans went to try to save the settlement, it'd actually die.. but then again, that'd be too intuitive for Blizzard
"World of Starcraft"??? Great idea but i dont think its workable at the moment.Theres just too many obstacles: some were already said here too.But just the same that will be some what nice....
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i kno there are just foot soldiers in SC, but there are more than foot soldiers in WC too like the tanks, the dwarf copters, seige weapons, dragons, etc and you cant play as those and they made it work. and they can make the quests focus on invading on a certain area, or protecting a certain area, etc. BTW the zerg is like the undead, the undead can just undeadinize corpses and boom they have another soldier and if you didnt notice you can play undead in the game, and besides, they may not care as much as the other races, but they must view each of there units as somewhat important b/c wouldnt you want 1 million and one units rather than just a million. One more CAN make a diferrence
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Wanted to write the exact same thing .. Just make it that zergs are common ennemy and protos and humans area playable . Then we got 2 sides + the main ennemy .I think it sounds fair and could be done , and I think in the future when they realize they can make ALOT of cash out of starcraft fanboys (ALOT OF THEM) they will eventualy try to make a WoS ... But dont count on that happening soon
Hmmm, didnt see this part of the discussion b4 i wrote my post above. thats an excellent idea they could twist the story line so that the toss and the terran ally and w/e. or they could make it so that T and toss are only playable but the still hate eachother.
I really didnt count on this game coming out, every idea i come up with i dont plan on happening i just want to get opinions on it
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definately possible and i would say even though starcraft only has 1 game, 1 expansion and 1 other game coming out for console gaming i believe it has enough content to make a into being a mmo. On the other hand the classes would be weird seeing how the Tarrains(humans) dont have a "warrior class" really, unless you want to count firebat.
what/how would be the classes? vehicles? balance? maybe something like SWG?
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Umm...What?? The Terran Marine would be the "warrior class"
Just because they use guns and dont fight up close doesnt mean they arent warriors...I would very much consider, say, an Army Ranger, or a member of the USMC to be a warrior..
Starcraft -_-;;
I'd dig it anyday...more than World of Warcraft anyways...
If World of Starcraft ever came out...you can be sure that it'll be the most populated MMO in just a month...due to all the korean fanboys=me.
Noone can guarantee it'd be successful, ut I can guarantee that...if it's anywher near WoW level...it'll just be the most populated from all the korean users alone :P
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Remember not every race needs a definate "warrior" Class. Just because wow has every race able to be warrior doesnt mean that wos would have to. Blizzard can use some of the main units u used in SC and make other units. I havent played WC in a long time but i dont think i remember shamans in there( please corret me if there were) You underestimate the level of creativity that Blizzard has
Am I ever wrong??
Remember not every race needs a definate "warrior" Class. Just because wow has every race able to be warrior doesnt mean that wos would have to. Blizzard can use some of the main units u used in SC and make other units. I havent played WC in a long time but i dont think i remember shamans in there( please corret me if there were) You underestimate the level of creativity that Blizzard has
They did, remember bloodlust?
Not quite can u explain this "Blood Lust" person
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What would be great is if they made it a mmofps. With first/third person view. Make it kinda like planetside, where you get 3 sides with forts etc to capture, as well as missions to go into crashed/abandoned spaceships. Have it be like wow battlegrounds, imagine walking through a spaceship as terran/protoss hearing your boats clunk as your exploring, then you hear some hisses and you tell your team to be ready(maybe have built in voice communication) then just as you turn a corner a zergling leaps out and slashes at you and your team starts firing on him as a few more come from around the corner and then some hydralisks come from behind and start attacking and your team turns to blast them and the zerglings that came from around the corner starting attacking em from behind, but somehow say a medic and a firebat(of course weapon choices would be more customizeable im just using a general way to describe chars) are like ya we won! then all of a suddena blade pierces through the medics armor and the firebat turns and sees the dt and they start fighting.
For terran you could buy the vehicles and say the battlecruisers are extremely expensive and whenever one crashes it spawns the instance. Which you can request to enter through your map.
Marines can buy and equip different grades of armor and weapons as well as more customized types. Protoss can do basically the same only melee/parts. Zerg start off as zerglings and can mutate body parts to be stronger/sharper/harder.
It's really not that hard to imagine if you think besides wheres my inventory so i can carry 10000 pounds of armor.
I honestly thin it could be done.
For prtoss you get different types of blasters and energy blades and cool space armor and what not.
The humans get like rifles and pistols and knifes and grenades and stuff and can get different vehicles like vultures and waat not.
Zergs can get different skins and like spines coming off for armor and stuff. and you can train to evolove into different things.
OR
Have no Zerg playable race at all and you can play as protoss and humans vs each otehr and zergs are creep to level off of.
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-Rhalon 81 UD Mage
-Doneski 85 Orc death knight
"Everyones life has a beginning and an end, No one can change that."-Hiko
"If you wish to taste the ground, then feel free to attack."-Kenshin Himura
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It could be FFA PvP and no factions.........
That would rock. But you could gain rep with a certain group todo stuff with them. Not sure how group questing, etc would work out..
I completely agree like for the terran u can get like vultures (for Lowbies) then tanks, then wraiths, and then bc's once you reach like level 100 or you do a qquest (And they would be extremly expensive. The toss could get the dragoon thing, then scouts, etc. till cruisers.
Also another cool thing would be when you get a guild, if you the leader, the people in ur guild and their ships are like under your control in a way, so that you have like ur own fleet (For PvP, there could be air battles, and ground battles). Maybe a guild could have like a status system so that once u reach a certain status, (through pvp or instancing, etc.) you could get like ur own city, and eventually ur own planet
Am I ever wrong??
If Blizzard learn and improve the gameplays they put in WoW, it could beat WoW.
But learning is pretty hard when you are on top, who to listen, what is successfull, what is a mistake. It take a wisdom I am not sure Blizzard ever have.
For a world of Starcraft to be really successfull, Blizzard needs another company to show them the way, they learn well when they are behind. But when they lead, Blizzard is extremely poor at learning from the leading position, prolly even worser then SoE...so they better wait for another game to beat WoW before they start working on WoS. Unless they have more wisdom then I believe...yet, I doubt that...a LOT!
Blizzard learn from EQ and Lineage before making WoW the product it is today. They learn from Black Isles and many RPGs before making Diablo. They learn from RST rivals before making Starcraft. Can Blizzard learn from WoW to make WoS? I doubt it. They prolly needs a rival to beat WoW. Diablo II, Warcraft/starcraft later versions and all their follow up on themselves are not really as successfull as hoped for...Blizzard is a good second, but a poor leader, always challenging the leader.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I disagree. I think you are underestimating the imagination and abilities of Blizzard, which is one of my favorite companies (Maybe why I have alot of faith in them). They may learn better when they are not leading a certain genre, but that doesnt mean that they still wont learn from mistakes they made. They can look at games that are behind theirs in popularity, and not do what they did. They can see what alienates certain people,(I hope i used that right) making them not want to play WoW, and not do that with WoS, if they were going to make it. If they dont do it quite right on the first try, they can just release patches for it. TThere are alot of ways they can make it right. Besides what i said above (Which is basically to do research). They can ask the fans. Post forum questions to see how WE would like the game to be made. I probably have more faith than alot of people in gaming corporations but i still beleive they can do it very well.
Am I ever wrong??
A "world of starcraft" would completely demolish all remaining hopes for
"world of warcraft". Which is bad. Quite bad.
even though, taken for granted, WoS would be better than WoW.
.
yet at the same time it sounds kinda crazy
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No, not at all. It may convert some fans of WoW into WoS, but it wouldnt "kill" any "hopes" for WoW at all. It may be better, it may be worse, but i bet alot of people will play it either way. BTW, of course it sounds crazy. I bet when people discussed making the first video game, some people thought it was crazy, but now its a multi-billion dollar bussiness.
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Anyone here ever played Natural Selection? It is a half life mod that very closely resembles say a terran zerg battle; but instead they are called marines and aliens.
The gameplay involves having a captain for the marines who decides where structures go;
and the aliens work by evolving and such to stronger life forms; as you get points from killing other players;
Structures require resources; so you are constantly seeking out life and such
really fun; i could see a mmofps game out of this
This would be a pretty cool idea for pvp. This will also settle arguments for who the leader will be (A big prob in some BG's in WoW that i've played). The could even have a system where the more you win as leader, the more you ar eleader, so that we have defined leaders and troops or w/e.
I am more leaning towards MMORPG rather than FPS, but it would be cool if you could switch to First person mode for pvp or sumthing like that
Am I ever wrong??
This would be a pretty cool idea for pvp. This will also settle arguments for who the leader will be (A big prob in some BG's in WoW that i've played). The could even have a system where the more you win as leader, the more you ar eleader, so that we have defined leaders and troops or w/e.
I am more leaning towards MMORPG rather than FPS, but it would be cool if you could switch to First person mode for pvp or sumthing like that
EHH! It's Frontiersman and Kharaa; I'm a Constellation member :x
Anyway.. what I think anyway is what Horizons should've been. e.g. zerg is already implanted on the planet and they're trying to make a settlement so while they're in the early stages, they have to deal with zerg invasions, poisoned food and lost livestock from the zerg while later on they can try to push them back once they'gve got some experience on their hands. And it'd be retroactive, if no humans went to try to save the settlement, it'd actually die.. but then again, that'd be too intuitive for Blizzard
Why not use infested terrans/protoss/other as a playable zerg race?
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That would be cool. I bet blizzard had a similar discussion about how to make the undead a playable race, b/c they are alot like the zerg
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