Originally posted by Eir_S Hey OP. Other fantasy games did it before WoW... but I assume you're not "leaving now". We always knew which side your bread was buttered on anyway, I don't expect your own hypocrisy to open your eyes. Have fun going back to the melting pot of all generic fantasy cliches.
My bread will always be WoW buttered but it's good and healthy to try other foods from time to time, right now I have not had my fill of GW2, only lvl 54 with 70+ hours played.
Originally posted by expresso To clear thing up yes I was refering to the WoW fight just before deathwing spine raid encounter. I can slso see how this post might have across as a bit of troll, wasn't meant that way but an obvervation that I know had the tables be turned people would be up in arms on these forums. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJle_eEfTPQ&feature=related though the GW2 one looks more epic.
And both stole the idea from R.I.F.T.S which in turn stole it from older games and books...
Originally posted by Eir_S Hey OP. Other fantasy games did it before WoW... but I assume you're not "leaving now". We always knew which side your bread was buttered on anyway, I don't expect your own hypocrisy to open your eyes. Have fun going back to the melting pot of all generic fantasy cliches.
My bread will always be WoW buttered but it's good and healthy to try other foods from time to time, right now I have not had my fill of GW2, only lvl 54 with 70+ hours played.
It's good to have an open mind. I don't hate WoW, but it's true that a lot of its ideas have been done before. I guess that's why I didn't see the sense of the topic at first. Even when I was playing it, I knew where it drew inspiration (or just plain copied) from. GW2 shouldn't get any more or less of a "pass".
The game is in English! It's so unoriginal! They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...
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I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.
They did actually invent several languages for the game, but all written languages. There are signs and writing, and they havnt released any translation. It took a long time before anyone figured out the one from GW1 and here there are several.
So if you are bored and like working with a weird alphabet the challange is on.
Originally posted by Xzen Even though I am a fan of Warhammer table top I never hated on Warcraft for how much they used from it and actually enjoyed it all the same.
Im a Warhammer fan too, but they have borrowed a lot as well from others. There is not much new in fantasy (and yes, red is faster, that Warhammer invented).
You mean some jerk stole the "Bad Ash" concept from Army of Darkness? Or the Witch Kings from LotR? Or Davey Jones from PotC 2 and 3?
Let me at those heathens!
I immediately thought of Army of Darkness too lol.
For those, like fisch, who dont seem to have gotten it. I was being sarcastic. Common themes like this have been used since pretty much forever. I could likely go back and find books from decades or centuries ago, as well as movies recent and old, that have the same exact thing going on as in any portion of an MMO, just with different names or a couple minor details different.
Its a fantasy mixed with a little bit of steampunk thrown in MMO where the main enemy is a dragon. I mean come on... its in the freaking logo! Are you really surprised to see, in a game where airships exist and fit into the setting, an airship fight vs a dragon?
This is pretty much the equivalent of how the OP read to me: "They're going to fight the giant squid in a big pirate ship. How original... I'm leaving..."
Dragons are huge and they fly. An airship is the most fitting nature vs. machine theme you can really come up with for a dragon.
As undead go, it's basically taking tragedy up a notch. Dying due to something involving a loved one, or through the betrayal of a friend, and coming back for vengeance or to right that wrong; well... that concept obviously didn't start with Patrick Swayze. Hell... Anakin Skywalker could almost fit that theme, let alone a few greek demigods...
As far as the argument that another MMO "did that already"... MMO's aren't really a genre unto themselves, they're a medium for which to place a genre. 2 games being MMO's that have these events/themes in their stories is really irrelevent.
What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.
the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".
That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.
The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.
That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".
Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.
What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.
the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".
That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.
The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.
That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".
Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.
Story mode is easy mode. Try it on explore mode. It's not easy at all.
I just can't take posts about a company ripping off something in WOW seriously . As asinine as it might sound they deserve it after how blatantly they ripped off Warhammer/WH:40K. I'm not even a Warhammer fan and it still disgusts me to this day.
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I just can't take posts about a company ripping off something in WOW seriously . As asinine as it might sound they deserve it after how blatantly they ripped off Warhammer/WH:40K. I'm not even a Warhammer fan and it still disgusts me to this day.
Nah, I agree. Not only do I think they deserve it, but I believe they expect it and in addition... they don't care. Blizz knew what they were doing when they pinched features and pieces of lore from other games or fantasy franchises. Again, that's why I found this thread to be a bit odd.
As for the W40K/Starcraft thing, don't even get me started. That was pretty inexcusable.
What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.
the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".
That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.
The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.
That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".
Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.
Originally posted by Xzen I'm just wondering what mmorpg the OP thinks did the airship vs dragon fight first.
My thought's exactly - i'd love to hear which one the OP thinks is the 'original'.
Since I honestly don't know, what's the original?
The point of my post, and the quoted word 'original' is that it would be nigh-impossible to establish what was the original.
It is a very broad relationship that the OP has implicitly drawn. S/he is stating that the concept of a being on a flying boat and fighting airborn enemies, in this case dragons, is taken from other games. The OP implies this has come from either one or many other MMO's (we can't be sure without clarification from the OP, as the wording could go either way).
The reason for the impossibility of defining a point of origin is the broad topic. We could potentially pinpoint the flying ship to the Flying Dutchmen myth, which would give us an origin of late 18th century. But, we would really just be guessing.
Well he did specify MMO in the post, so we can safely rule out all of the other sources for this type of encounter, and focus on just that genre. In which case, the only other game I've played where I've seen that is WoW. So he could be referencing that encounter, which is fairly recent. If there was another Airship vs Dragon encounter in another MMO, I'm not aware of it.
I guess by your post I thought you knew of an MMO before WoW that had done this.
The original post is implicitly implying a lack of originality, stating "[he] is leaving now." due to that lack of originality. Just because he poses the rhetorical question : "now where have I seen that before in an MMO" does not rule out non MMO sources for the argument.
My counter-argument was based on the broader point, that very little involved in these encounters and fantasy settings is, in fact, original - and as such shouldn't be used as grounds for dismissal (save personal opinion, of course).
Your question regarding if another MMO has done this is also valid - but hopefully I have cleared up any confusion you had about my argument.
The game is in English! It's so unoriginal! They should have invented a new language, like Klingon or Elvish...
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I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.
They did actually invent several languages for the game, but all written languages. There are signs and writing, and they havnt released any translation. It took a long time before anyone figured out the one from GW1 and here there are several.
So if you are bored and like working with a weird alphabet the challange is on.
Here you go Thor fighting a seadragon (or serpent) from a ship. I know the ship is not flying, but still. The Vikings already told the story before. I am never going to play GW2 again, damn rip-off!
Here you go Thor fighting a seadragon (or serpent) from a ship. I know the ship is not flying, but still. The Vikings already told the story before. I am never going to play GW2 again, damn rip-off!
Ya... Don't think thats appropriate in the least... might want to check your images before you post them...
Don't be dense. General things like this are inherent parts of a fantasy MMORPG. There's a difference between including these things in a new game and including specific fight sequences in that game that are extremely reminiscent of specific fight sequences in other games.
A new game with orcs and humans in it? That's obviously fine.
A new game with a tragic antagonist who is the commander of an undead army seeking to wipe out all mortals? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.
A new game with magic in it? That's obviously fine.
A new game with magic that is only accessible by someone who equips radioactive pieces of rock in their weapons or armor? That's obviously going to catch a lot of flak.
Plese PLEASE tell me you're joking. Because if you're not you're about to qualify for the biggest hypocrite on the planet award. If you're going to complain about some other game copying something from WOW, then you have to be consistent and hate bilzzard and WOW for being BY FAR the worst plagiarizing company on the planet.
The entirety of Warcraft was directly copied from warhammer fantasy, they didnt even bother to try to change the name drastically. Starcraft was a direct copy of warhammer 40k. Wrath of the lich king expac, icecrown... Did you see the lord of the rings movies? Oh, we'll just steal this eye on top of a mountain/volcano and make it blue instead of red, that makes it ok. But, why even bother changing the walls, no we'll just copy those directly.
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My bread will always be WoW buttered but it's good and healthy to try other foods from time to time, right now I have not had my fill of GW2, only lvl 54 with 70+ hours played.
And both stole the idea from R.I.F.T.S which in turn stole it from older games and books...
It's good to have an open mind. I don't hate WoW, but it's true that a lot of its ideas have been done before. I guess that's why I didn't see the sense of the topic at first. Even when I was playing it, I knew where it drew inspiration (or just plain copied) from. GW2 shouldn't get any more or less of a "pass".
I hope that was Klingon. I laughed as if it were Klingon.
My theme song.
They did actually invent several languages for the game, but all written languages. There are signs and writing, and they havnt released any translation. It took a long time before anyone figured out the one from GW1 and here there are several.
So if you are bored and like working with a weird alphabet the challange is on.
Im a Warhammer fan too, but they have borrowed a lot as well from others. There is not much new in fantasy (and yes, red is faster, that Warhammer invented).
LOL yep, it's the only Klingon word I know.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
This is pretty much the equivalent of how the OP read to me: "They're going to fight the giant squid in a big pirate ship. How original... I'm leaving..."
Dragons are huge and they fly. An airship is the most fitting nature vs. machine theme you can really come up with for a dragon.
As undead go, it's basically taking tragedy up a notch. Dying due to something involving a loved one, or through the betrayal of a friend, and coming back for vengeance or to right that wrong; well... that concept obviously didn't start with Patrick Swayze.
Hell... Anakin Skywalker could almost fit that theme, let alone a few greek demigods...
As far as the argument that another MMO "did that already"... MMO's aren't really a genre unto themselves, they're a medium for which to place a genre. 2 games being MMO's that have these events/themes in their stories is really irrelevent.
What I took away from this was what the videos narrator said himself.
the End boss fight was "Easy, antyone at all could do it".
That the fight and most others required no stratagy at all.
The end boss fight could be done withh his equiepement destroyed and allies stuck in geometery unable to fight at all.
That he didn't have to worry about dodging AOE's because he would get knocked down and just get back up later, That there was "nothing to worry about".
Well score one for the super causal/Zerg to win crowd.
Story mode is easy mode. Try it on explore mode. It's not easy at all.
My theme song.
I just can't take posts about a company ripping off something in WOW seriously . As asinine as it might sound they deserve it after how blatantly they ripped off Warhammer/WH:40K. I'm not even a Warhammer fan and it still disgusts me to this day.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Nah, I agree. Not only do I think they deserve it, but I believe they expect it and in addition... they don't care. Blizz knew what they were doing when they pinched features and pieces of lore from other games or fantasy franchises. Again, that's why I found this thread to be a bit odd.
As for the W40K/Starcraft thing, don't even get me started. That was pretty inexcusable.
Story mode is for the story not the challenge.
EUREKA! I've found it!
The original that everyone ripped off!
The original post is implicitly implying a lack of originality, stating "[he] is leaving now." due to that lack of originality. Just because he poses the rhetorical question : "now where have I seen that before in an MMO" does not rule out non MMO sources for the argument.
My counter-argument was based on the broader point, that very little involved in these encounters and fantasy settings is, in fact, original - and as such shouldn't be used as grounds for dismissal (save personal opinion, of course).
Your question regarding if another MMO has done this is also valid - but hopefully I have cleared up any confusion you had about my argument.
Of course, if you really wanted to dig for the original,
you could go back to:
http://www.google.com/search?q=spelljammer&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LVFOUMuPHceM0QGMsoCwCA&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=787
Everything after this is a ripoff.
Um dude, as another poster mentioned, FF4 ripped the idea off from other sources. It's been around for a while, get over yourself.
Someone doesn't understand sarcasm. *sigh*
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If you meant GW2 here is the translation:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/New_Krytan
I verified it with a sign in a tavern and I like that they did it. I've seen other writing but haven't wanted to slow down long enough to translate it
Or graphics.
Or the start of the word 'War' in the title.
Or sound.
Or a minimap.
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Here you go Thor fighting a seadragon (or serpent) from a ship. I know the ship is not flying, but still. The Vikings already told the story before. I am never going to play GW2 again, damn rip-off!
Ya... Don't think thats appropriate in the least... might want to check your images before you post them...
Plese PLEASE tell me you're joking. Because if you're not you're about to qualify for the biggest hypocrite on the planet award. If you're going to complain about some other game copying something from WOW, then you have to be consistent and hate bilzzard and WOW for being BY FAR the worst plagiarizing company on the planet.
The entirety of Warcraft was directly copied from warhammer fantasy, they didnt even bother to try to change the name drastically. Starcraft was a direct copy of warhammer 40k. Wrath of the lich king expac, icecrown... Did you see the lord of the rings movies? Oh, we'll just steal this eye on top of a mountain/volcano and make it blue instead of red, that makes it ok. But, why even bother changing the walls, no we'll just copy those directly.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
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