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Please can we have a Mod ruling: can we call it 'Tortanic' yet?
noncley
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People used to get suspensions on this forum just for using the word 'Tortanic' but, with the resignation of BW's chiefs, the massed firings, the forced server mergers, the catastrophic subscription numbers and the description of the game as a 'disappointment' by EA's owns CEO, can we now call SWTOR 'Tortanic'?
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Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
I never played SWTOR, I knew it would be a mediocre game at best, and it was. However, by all accounts they made back their huge investment and some profit besides that. If the game servers shut down tonight, forever, it would still be accurate to call the game "profitable" unlike say, APB, which lost the better part of 100 million dollars.
SWTOR didn't (arguably) live up to its potential as one of the biggest IP's on the planet, but it made EA some money. I'm sure they are dissapointed it didn't make them *more* money, but we shouldn't talk about SWTOR as if it "failed" in the sense that it lost money (which is the only sense that actually matters to the people who have the final say in making these games).
"Tortastrophic" maybe?
"by all accounts they made back their huge investment and some profit besides"
Did it? Who says so? If it made back its money, why have all the big names behind it been fired or quit? In terms of job losses, this game has been a TORacaust.
A lot of people died there you know. You dont use any 911 references, try something were thousands of people didnt die and show some respect.
Something about Enron or something would be better (yeah, people lost money and their jobs there, but it aint that bad).
I heard it got back most of the money, but that aint good enough for EA. And money they put in 6 years ago would have been a lot more today if they just left it in the bank.
Still, it is not as big disaster as many thinks, but EAs goal was to make a new Wow, not get their money back so they fired people, and others probably jump off the sinking ship before their careers went totally down the drain.
Don't call it Tortanic, fanboys will kill you few times each. I rotfl after I saw info that they are doing server merge again. They call it "mega server". For quite long time they were telling that F2P is no go and now they advertise it like something great. Problem is that unlike Guild Wars 2 as example, TOR was P2P from the start and it's not even design around cash shop. GW2 did it right. But TOR want to give for free their only advantage (that solo game from lvl 1-50) while everyhing that is just pathetic, boring and stupid (PVP, flashpoints that are nice only 1st time and everything only for 4-8 people - hardly you can call it an MMO, more like co-op) will require payment from cash shop.
My opinion is that at some point EA will shut down TOR just like other games, someone will buy it and redesign it as proper F2P title. EA have long history of destroying good games, good studios etc and shuting down their games. Don't expect anything else. They already destroyed Bioware (or Bioware destroyed themselves, who knows).
Eh? Titanic was not a catastrophe? Callin a catastrophe a catasrtophe is not offensive to anyone. Granted this is not even close to real thing but still ... you know what a synonym is?
I would suggest to you to be less purist - moral discussions are a very difficult topic.
Saying that some event it is like Titanic tragedy may be an overreaction but certainly is not ofensive to anyone, after all feelings are not measurable - what may be for you a mere inconvenience for me is a tragedy.
Its losing money by the day, they are not even close to "get back most of the money".
And no, freemium will not save it, it was not payment model that made 2m people quit, and they blame players for biggest failure in MMO history. That alone is worth a good laugh and guarantee they wont fix what made people quit, because in their mind its not games fault its players fault.
SWTOR made the mistake of making a traditional style MMO. this put it in direct competition with Too many games. if it had tried to actually do something new other than ram a story down our throats then maybe it would have had a chance. Sadly the game felt far to traditional to be anywhere near successful anymore.
No traditional MMO can beat WoW. it has too much content from years of being active, also has its claws too deeply in the players that have been there for years.
Tortanic should be used as a example for any game that thinks its clever enough to take on WoW in its own territory. Let the rest of the developers move on so that the MMORPG genre can stop Stagnating. when you only have 2 or 3 developers trying to push the genre it obviously wont go anywhere.
Because i can.
I'm Hopeful For Every Game, Until the Fan Boys Attack My Games. Then the Knives Come Out.
Logic every gamers worst enemy.
I don't share the same thoughts as to why games are failing.I have watched the numbers over the past several years and it is simply a lack of new players to this genre.
I see a steady trend of around 2 million in/out from game to game and go figure GW2 is around 2 million.Wow cashed in on the huge amount of new players when it came out,no other game will ever have that chance.
I know they went for SWTOR because of the name an easy cash in but for retention they SHOULD have realized the market trend.
Since Wow hit around idk was it 16 or 18 million,we have seen them lose a few million and appears to be those few million and a few NEW players of course that are game hopping after becoming bored with Wow.Sure there are some new players every year but not that many,not enough for any developer to think they can pull off big numbers.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Calling SWTOR Tortanic is silly. Despite the company pouring million of dollars into its new pet flagship project, despite staking the company staking its reputation on their new flagship, despite that flagship sinking in record time, The White Star Line shipping company was able to stay in business independantly for another eleven years.
Of course, The White Star Line was paid $465 million in insurance claims on the Titanic. Did EA put out insurance on SWTOR?
Besides, despite the enormous loss of life, the Titanic did have 700 suvivors. That's more than Bioware Austin.
My apologies to Loke666 (the devil you say) for possibly upsetting his delicate sensibilities.
Primarily what we get on this forum is negative views of the game. The fact is there are more than 500k subscribers. When f2p comes the game will have well over 2M accounts. In MMO terms this is a success.
I run a guild for new players. We help them learn the game, and then find a permanent guild home. I recruit new players everyday, so fresh blood is still flowing into the game.
Ahnog
Hokey religions are no replacement for a good blaster at your side.
Personally I doubt there are 500k subscribers. That asside, when ftp comes, at this point if it comes, (Still no date announced), it doesn't really matter if SWTOR gets 20 million new ftp accounts if they don't spend money in the cash shop.
Just to be magnanimous, I'm not even going to get into the SWTOR 500k daily operations break even point.
I'm sorry if you are bothered by the "negative" views of the game on this forum. Come to think of it, the common refrain on the SWTOR forums is that it is a cesspool of negativity as well. Where is the forum of positivity for this game?
Anyway, if you enjoy the game have fun.
I must add that it's both weird and unlikely that you run a halfway house for new SWTOR players. You realize that it's a game and not some sort of missionary work? Anyway. carry on. - Negative Nancy.
People that like that style of game, there's both wow and rift expansions coming out.
People that like starwars, there's that new bounty hunter thing coming out.
Where are these 1.5 million new players coming from?
Also ea have never done f2p in the past, hell uo is still sub based. So I wouldn't expect it to be that free really. It will probably be similar set to the warhammer dress as a rat "expansion", a way of milking the players they do have for more cash
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
And for MMORPGs ever so true...
Maybe if you called it 'The S.W. Tortanic', all official like it would be ok.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I traveled with TORtours and the reasons why i quit do not fit the mainstream complains, but some of them.
Tortured by Tortours
Sometimes you have to just shake your head at US progressive liberals and keep moving. They can't even call terrorists by name because they don't want to offend them or illegal aliens is now undocumented immigrants and better not anyone publicly display a cross or it will offend non Christians.
"Politics" aside I have been wondering if tortanic will become a new coined word to describe disappointment or failure among gamers. Not only a word to describe TOR but to describe all flops in the future.
Please read up on either liberalism or state that you mean the US version of 'liberal'. Liberalism, or for a person being a liberal, for me (as there are a lot of interpretations) means one has full freedom. You can say what you want, do what you want, but the one thing needed is for people to take responsibility for their actions and bear the consequences. So please elaborate...
Also I think you have a point that we reached a place where success will be compared to WoW and failure with TOR, although I don´t believe TOR failed. I´ve been told by a friend of mine how TOR is like other BW games: you play them for the story, do replays for the story, with other classes to get a totally different story. I don't support that vision and believe the story is 90% the same, but for people who play BW games for that reason or people who're really interested in story. In the case of expectations (the always crashing hypetrain) and broken promises, then yes, I think they failed.
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
And for MMORPGs ever so true...
I have a cd from a bagpipe band called Tartanic. Well "Celtic" band, I suppose they're called.
Off topic?
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Edited for political correctness which just proves my point