Good god. It looks like ill be unsubscribing and freaking clearing my account soon. Thats pretty messed up but I guess if Blizzard screws over my computer I can sue them. Or not...
I and several others have had to reformat our computers because of that. I'm sure that's not the only thing WoW does, as people have reported several critical computer errors resulting in the closing of, or removing of World of Warcraft from their computers.
I don't have a problem with it. Anything I run while playing a MMOG is not sensitive.
The cheating in MMOG's is out of control and I applaud serious attempts by game companies to curb it.
Players always cry about dupes and hacks that don't get snuffed right away. You can't have it both ways. You have to be willing to give up some privacy if you want a fair and level playing field.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
Definitely a good read. I knew they checked a million and one things when you started up the game and that people were really upset about that but I had no idea it did this every 15 seconds...jeesh.
I'm sick if cheats too...I just quit playing DAoC because of freakin cheats, first it was Radar, now players are using Lags, (playing windowed) to freeze your toon so they can go to town. I had it! My two DAoC accounts are on ebay now after a year of playing, I give up...thinking of trying WoW, any better?
You agreed to it in the eula.. then its perfectly fine. its not like they are stealing your info or reading your emails, just cecking to see if it matches known hacks.
Anywho, WoW has absolutly no cheating. the occasional exploit but 99% of the time those are hotfixed within 24 hours. its great, deff better than DAoC
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Old news. It's alot like Steam or punkbuster. I like punkbuster better than steam since it doesn't lag my game. Steam is a lot like blizzard in that they check every 15 seconds. This is annoying because it increases network traffic and creates lag. Lag is that enemy of online gaming. 'Nuff said.
I don't cheat, so I don't care if they check me for exploits or scripts. It would be different if they were keylogging or looking through my browser history, but they're not.
For whoever said-- Its in the eula so its fine. I take issue with that. Just because they tell you what there doing doesnt mean its absolutely fine.
One more thing Id like to know- How clearly is it spelled out in the EULA? Do they straight out say your giving us permission to look through your browser history and check your ram and look at every damn thing we want to?
I dont cheat. I dont like cheaters BUT the broad spectrum of files and programs they search thru is offensive. I cant even immagine what a potential for theft identity this could be if the information or the program design was in the wrong persons hands.
Well I can't blame WoW for trying. They obviously feel they should prioritise their subscribers fun more then their privacy...to a certain extent. I am sure Blizzard only takes the details that have to do with the game....not anything else. I mean, imagine WoW without this client...what can they do to stop cheaters....the game would be probably ruined for everyone, cause people get items with littl effort, and that will put off a big majority of the game's subscribers.
Untill something better develops, I think this is the only way to stop cheaters.
hmm if theres no way the information it gathers can be used apart from to detect if its a WoW cheat or not then its no problem really. Steam does it I think as an above poster said. Makes a much better gaming experience than if some *^*&^*& cheat.
This is well known. There was a 6+ page thread about this when they introduced it. I think it's great if a company does as much as possible to ban cheaters. And regarding your privacy the program doesn't send any information. Basicly it just sends "cheater" or "no cheater" to Blizzard. The program indentifies the cheats by analysing what happens on your computer, it doesn't need to send info to Blizzard to see if someone uses a cheat. Atleast this is how I understood it from Blizzards statement.
Originally posted by Jorev I don't have a problem with it. Anything I run while playing a MMOG is not sensitive. The cheating in MMOG's is out of control and I applaud serious attempts by game companies to curb it. Players always cry about dupes and hacks that don't get snuffed right away. You can't have it both ways. You have to be willing to give up some privacy if you want a fair and level playing field.
Couldn't have said it better.
In War - Victory. In Peace - Vigilance. In Death - Sacrifice.
the EULA NEVER says exactly what they are doing, just a vague definition of what they are doing, and a couple lines of legal garbage to save their butts from getting sued for doing something like this. I haven't read the EULA, and I'm not a WoW subscriber either, but if I were one, now would be a great time to read the EULA and see what exactly you're agreeing too. Lately I've been reading some EULAs (except in korean games, no one takes them seriously), and so far I haven't seen anything too alarming. But who knows what this one has.
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Good god. It looks like ill be unsubscribing and freaking clearing my account soon.
Thats pretty messed up but I guess if Blizzard screws over my computer I can sue them. Or not...
I don't have a problem with it. Anything I run while playing a MMOG is not sensitive.
The cheating in MMOG's is out of control and I applaud serious attempts by game companies to curb it.
Players always cry about dupes and hacks that don't get snuffed right away. You can't have it both ways. You have to be willing to give up some privacy if you want a fair and level playing field.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
I'm sick if cheats too...I just quit playing DAoC because of freakin cheats, first it was Radar, now players are using Lags, (playing windowed) to freeze your toon so they can go to town. I had it! My two DAoC accounts are on ebay now after a year of playing, I give up...thinking of trying WoW, any better?
You agreed to it in the eula.. then its perfectly fine.
its not like they are stealing your info or reading your emails, just cecking to see if it matches known hacks.
Anywho, WoW has absolutly no cheating.
the occasional exploit but 99% of the time those are hotfixed within 24 hours.
its great, deff better than DAoC
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Old news. It's alot like Steam or punkbuster. I like punkbuster better than steam since it doesn't lag my game. Steam is a lot like blizzard in that they check every 15 seconds. This is annoying because it increases network traffic and creates lag. Lag is that enemy of online gaming. 'Nuff said.
I don't cheat, so I don't care if they check me for exploits or scripts. It would be different if they were keylogging or looking through my browser history, but they're not.
There is no best MMORPG, only favorites.
For whoever said-- Its in the eula so its fine. I take issue with that. Just because they tell you what there doing doesnt mean its absolutely fine.
One more thing Id like to know- How clearly is it spelled out in the EULA? Do they straight out say your giving us permission to look through your browser history and check your ram and look at every damn thing we want to?
I dont cheat. I dont like cheaters BUT the broad spectrum of files and programs they search thru is offensive. I cant even immagine what a potential for theft identity this could be if the information or the program design was in the wrong persons hands.
Well I can't blame WoW for trying. They obviously feel they should prioritise their subscribers fun more then their privacy...to a certain extent. I am sure Blizzard only takes the details that have to do with the game....not anything else. I mean, imagine WoW without this client...what can they do to stop cheaters....the game would be probably ruined for everyone, cause people get items with littl effort, and that will put off a big majority of the game's subscribers.
Untill something better develops, I think this is the only way to stop cheaters.
hmm if theres no way the information it gathers can be used apart from to detect if its a WoW cheat or not then its no problem really. Steam does it I think as an above poster said. Makes a much better gaming experience than if some *^*&^*& cheat.
I think this is the only way thay can hope to catch cheaters so as long as they're up front about it then it's ok with me.
This is well known. There was a 6+ page thread about this when they introduced it. I think it's great if a company does as much as possible to ban cheaters. And regarding your privacy the program doesn't send any information. Basicly it just sends "cheater" or "no cheater" to Blizzard. The program indentifies the cheats by analysing what happens on your computer, it doesn't need to send info to Blizzard to see if someone uses a cheat. Atleast this is how I understood it from Blizzards statement.
Warning only for inteligent reader! :
Dear George Orwell , just as you suspected in "1984" the Big Brother is watching us.
But you know what!
WE DON'T CARE!!!!
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Steal every human right from me. Spy me , humiliate me, lie to me ... but give me my Fix!!!!
I say no!
I say
FIGHT THE POWER
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Couldn't have said it better.
In War - Victory.
In Peace - Vigilance.
In Death - Sacrifice.
the EULA NEVER says exactly what they are doing, just a vague definition of what they are doing, and a couple lines of legal garbage to save their butts from getting sued for doing something like this. I haven't read the EULA, and I'm not a WoW subscriber either, but if I were one, now would be a great time to read the EULA and see what exactly you're agreeing too. Lately I've been reading some EULAs (except in korean games, no one takes them seriously), and so far I haven't seen anything too alarming. But who knows what this one has.
You can easily check out there EULA here: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/legal/eula.html