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Im not sure why anyone is surprised that a game with this much unfounded hype is now comming back down to earth.
Yeah because a game with no endgame was going to be game of the century or whatever...right?
His problem is he's looking for SWG, and no modern MMO will likely ever be built like that again so no title will ever truly satisfy. I have the same issue due to DAOC."True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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I really don't know if I buy the whole "you're just playing too much and are burnt out" thing.
I see that argument come up a lot in defense of a game when people start saying they're growing bored or uninterested with it. Thing is, in most every example I can think of, those very games started to decline notably in population not long after. Most recent example being TOR. People said exactly the same thing about TOR when someone would mention being bored with it. "Oh, you're just playing too much. Take a break". Lo and behold, TOR's population began a significant loss in population a short time later.
It just seems like an overtly apologetic response to me. "It's not the game. It's you."
When I was playing FFXI full time, I played for months on end, non-stop. I played pretty much daily. I'd take a break from the game for maybe a week out of the year, and that was usually only 'cause I was fed up with some of the people playing it. The game itself gave me plenty to do, it didn't spoon-feed me and it didn't throw stuff at me like candy. Boredom was never an issue.
Lineage 2 kept me hooked for almost 2 years straight before I took my first break from it, which lasted a few months. Again, plenty to do, lots going on with its dynamic player politics, sieges and other activities. Again, boredom was never an issue.
EQ2 kept me hooked for several months before I started to lose interest, and that was more because I wasn't happy with the changes SOE was making in response to WoW's success.
And so on.
The difference is those games were designed for long-term adventure, which is one of the core elements of MMORPGs that made them stand out as their own genre early on. It's that long-term adventure that's been mostly lost in newer MMOs.
The problem as I see it isn't that people are simply "playing too much". It's that MMOs aren't designed for that long-term enjoyment anymore. They're designed for short-term consumption. Modern MMO devs have all but abandoned so much of what made MMOs what they were, all in the name of making them "more accessible" (which is just a euphemism for "dumbed down and streamlined for mass appeal").
The cynical (or those speaking from ignorance) will say "oh they were just artificially dragged out to make you play longer". No, they weren't. My time in L2, FFXI, EQ2, Anarchy Online and even AC2 while it was around was never "artificially extended". It was full time. I was always doing something. Questing,leveling, doing missions, unlocking new jobs, exploring, and so on. Those games provided far more to do than just "level grinding". If someone chose to do nothing but level, then yes, it would be nothing but an "endless level grind" for them. That would also be their own doing, not the game's.
Two things happened with the MMORPG genre that has diminished it...
1. A new population of console-minded gamers flooded the MMO genre and swiftly began demanding the games be changed to suit their console gameplay habits. Instead of recognizing the differences between standard console RPGs and a MMORPG and adapting,t hey demanded the MMO's be made more like their console RPGs.
2. Seeing the big money WoW was making by popularizing the genre, a flood of new MMO developers cropped up, few of which seemed to have any clue of what the differences between MMORPGs and standard console RPGs were either. They were just trying to get a piece of the Blizzard pie.
When I get into a new MMO, I *want* it to keep me hooked for months, even years on end. I'm looking for a long-term hobby, not a short-term "finish it and move on" deal. When it doesn't, and I find I'm growing bored with it after a few weeks, I'm disappointed.
To bring MMOs closer to what made them great and engaging to begin with, back to what got the folks at Blizzard excited about making one of their own in the first place, it's going to require many players to open their minds and stop trying to force their console gaming habits into a very non console-like gaming genre. I'd like to see it happen, but I'm not holding my breath. Too many people seem perfectly content to power-game their way through everything, get bored, move on to the next game and do exactly the same thing.
got to agree here, as much kill X and collect X SWTOR had, at least it wrapped a compelling and motivating story around it.
Questing fun and overall variety: TSW > SWTOR>...long break > GW2
Mine would be UO, though I am sure I would like pre-NGE SWG as well. Actually I propably would like it more than UO since it seemed more fit for my tastes and more interesting features wise.
I just had long years break in playing mmorpg's so when I started to look again for serious it was already post-NGE so I did not even bother after reading in details what was changed.
Bitter vets huh?
Yea it's a sad state that all these new mmorpgs last about a month or two... unlike the quality ones from back in the day that lasted years and some over a decade...
Really gives you some perspective when people try to label gw2 as some sorta shatterer of the mold.
That "fact" is usually used as proof that a game is a failure - it didn't have legs, or hold a player's interest long-term, which has been the common standard in evaluating MMOs. An MMO that doesn't draw a player in for the long-haul is a bad game.
I lost interest in this game very rapidly. It's gameplay is just as vapid, meaningless, and repetitive as any other themepark's.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
I too feel there is missing something to work towards. I wish we didn't unlock all weapon skills at level 10 (or whatever)
The only thing to look forward now is... eh I don't know actually.
Ohyeah gold to buy armor and dyes and stuff.
My first toon (elementalist) reached level 80 last week. Tons of fun and haven't finished explored all of the human lands. Visited the Norn and SIlvari areas for some of the storyline quests, which I finished. Since then, I have been participating in W v W for about an hour every other day. I have no intention to roll a new toon yet. I want to take a break from questing and exploring.
The W v W in the server I play (Henge of Denravi) happens to be the top server and have been good times. Last week Stormbluff Isle server was winning by a large margin. We were worried because by Tuesday they were still winning and then by Thursday we catched up and won again. For this week, we got paired with Jade Quarry, they are pushing it hard but we are winning so far. And also got paired again with Stormbluff Isle, which is in third place at the moment. Previously paired with Eredon Terrace, but they weren't paired this time. Our server is most of the time full and WvW queue can take an hour or more depending at what time I join. I think the sieging makes W v W interesting, otherwise it would be zerg fest all the time.
I enjoyed the game alot and played a bit every day untill one day i didnt feel like playing and from that day on i never logged back in.
I think its a good game but it cannot hold my attention and have actually unistalled it today after cleaning up my pc. I also wont be comming back to try it again when they release a xpack or whatever.
Yeah, I question this. My question of everyone stating it like this, is 'if those oldschool MMO's were brought back exactly as they were, would you play them?' Maybe many'll say yes, but in reality I think it'll be only a very small group despite the fuzzy feelings many have for them. EQ got a few classic servers opened up that were EXACTLY like how EQ was back in those early years. Yet after a few months, a fragment of the population remained.
The old MMO's stretched the playing time by introducting their own repetitive, grind elements. It was only that people had a higher tolerance for it back then: less choice of MMO's, it was all still new and wonderful. However, I'm pretty sure that after years of MMO gaming, that when MMO's with those same mechanics get introduced, that many of even those first generation MMO gamers (myself included) won't have the tolerance to accept it anymore. It had been fun back in those days when it was all new, but things have changed. After many years of MMO gaming and having played like that and life in general, I have changed too.I call it the law of diminishing returns. After years of experiencing them, some mechanics and gameplay aspects simply won't deliver the same level of fun as they did when you first experienced them. For one person, that may be after a thousand hours, for another after ten thousand hours, but it will happen. So no, I very much doubt that certain old mechanics that were commonly used in older MMO's will be that succesful and a holy grail of fun deliverance as some here may hope for. There was a reason why some mechanics stayed and others got replaced. Some of those simply weren't as fun anymore, even among the first generation MMO gamers.
LOL, Yeah, What's the point of posting a pointless post in a thread you find pointless?
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I think its pointless to post in a pointless thread and to reply is aslo pointless, I think we should just kill our selves as its all so pointless!
This game is nothing like GW1. The game would start off when you hit level cap. GW2 kinda ends with level cap which is sad.
I was thinking about it too. GW1 was a better game then this. All they needed to do was make it not instanced and open world.
It does? Why do I still have things to do at level cap then? I felt like there was nothing left to do when I hit level cap in other games, why is there a need to reach level cap to start playing the game.
Honestly if any of the oldschool mmo's would be brought back with updated state of the graphics and engine, but everything else just like it were, I doubt they would get that big audience after the initial rush. The games felt better simply because they were new and exciting, the genre isnt new and exciting anymore. AO was ultra exciting to me since I had no idea of the scope of the game, of what I can do, achieve, everything was huge and exciting for a long time, with no questions like "how big is the game world?"
I still had much of that feeling left in WoW. But at some point it vanished and I started to look more closely about the development and features of the games, and all of a sudden mmorpgs became "just games" when they used to be a lot more. The oldschool games were "just games" too, many people just didnt feel like it back then when it was new and exciting.
That being said, I dont see anything new and exciting on the horizon when it comes to this genre. Right now you either accept the situation and pick up a game that has most of the features and gameplay that you like, or just be done with the genre untill something really new comes along. Propably not much chances for that, since pretty much everything in gaming has been done already what is possible with todays hardware, and no company will make a game "just for you" in mind, oh boy would it be fun to get a mmorpg where you decided on all of the features and mechanics!
I don't get the whole "take a break" argument in any game to be perfectly honest. If you have to take breaks, that probably means you don't like the game as much as you think you do.
You were caught up in "new and shiny" for two weeks and thats when it starts getting to you.
If I like the game I will probably play it as musch as I can because I enjoy it so much.
If you get "burnt out" that just means you were bored from the very beginning and this was just the breaking point.