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iCeh
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Just thought id post my opinion on this game, if I had of known about this i wouldn't have even subscribed in the first place.
Anyhoo, the game itself is pretty good, although it feels like you're running in slow motion at times (even when sprinting), and the animation looks quite awful. Other than that the gameplay is great, and the PvP is awesome...BUT, i've just been told that it's possible that the opposing force (and of course yourself) could use cheats! Cheats like 'Radar' that shows your enemy, Speed Hacks, and God knows what else! I'd expect this in Counter-Strike, it's easy to spot, and you can ban them from the Server.
But this is absolutely disgusting in an mmorpg!! Especially when you have to pay monthly AND pay for expansions. I'm also told that the players who are caught have their accounts banned, but they can easily create a new account and carry on playing (it's not hard to level on that game...especially if they're using Cheats!!).
I might be on my own here, but lazy Game Dev's like these don't deserve a penny, nor do they even deserve a keyboard. I thought these MMORPG games were all server-side based stuff, and nearly impossible to change, but looking at the Directory of DAoC it's messy and cheap.
That's all i wanted to say, games like these should be named and shamed, imo. If there are any more MMO's like this, please let me know so i don't pay before finding out.
Thanks.
-iCeh
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- He Who Fears Death Is In Denial, For Death Is Promised. -
[quote]Originally posted by iCeh
That's all i wanted to say, games like these should be named and shamed, imo. If there are any more MMO's like this, please let me know so i don't pay before finding out.
Thanks.[/b][/quote]
All of them. Seriously the problem you have is one that is in every game as part of either the actual program or by hacking. Games are "run" on servers but information still needs to be sent to your computer. This is how radar hacks work. Different parts of the game are run both client and server side. There is no way to have a good mmo that is totally server side. It is not the developers fault, what would you have them do? They have found a way to prevent many types of radar. They have also found out ways to trace most radar programs. So what is the solution? IP banning? Unfortunatly since most people have dynamic IP addresses then banning would not work and would just get innocent people banned. The only possible thing I could think of would be to ban certain CC holders, but then you can just use a friends or paybycash. Then you also might end up getting innocent people also banned.
It is true that there are people who after getting to 50, get caught using radar, will then sign up again and level to 50 again and do it again. However, if this is a real worry then play on the regular servers and not the classic. It takes far longer to get master levels, artifacts, and scrolls that people need for RvR on the regular servers. So you will have less people willing to spend the time to get all of that again.
And I am not just defending DAOC. In about 5 minutes I have found hack programs and bug exploits for GW, WoW, SWG, EQ, and EQ2. Yes some people are going to cheat. The most you can hope for is for the game designers to find ways to finding the cheaters as quickly as possible and banning them.
So if you have a solution then I suggest you post it because I think they would love to hear from you.
For the record, most of what is on your hardrive is not programing, but rather artwork.
So you will now have to decide. Which is more imporant enjoying a game even though there are a few players that are cheating that have no gotten caught, or to avoid every mmorpg out there?
-iCeh
In less than 3 minutes I found 2 sites for Eve hacks. One of them is very good. It has mining macro's, hacks to avoid being detected using macro's, money hacks, and speed hacks.
yea there are mining hacks etc for Eve nbut combat hacks a-la Counterstrike in a PvP mporg are v bad news. would put me off playing as well tbh.
Thats one of the most uninformative posts Ive read in a long time.
I can sum up your post in like lemee see, 1 sentence. The graphics arent great, the gameplay is good and cheating is possible !!!omfg who would of thought!!!! /shock
Cmon, give me a break. How many mmos have you played cause you sound like a nublet to me. If your creative and desperate enough its possible to use CHEATS IN ALL MMOS. Lazy devs? If we apply your idea of a lazy dev to all games...then all devs are lazy--because OMG cheating happens in all mmos. You might get away with the cheats for a little while if your willing to take the risk. Risk what? Getting banned from the game. DAOC along with all mmo's ban people for life regularly.
PS-dont play any mmos, K? Cause they all have cheaters. I honestly doubt you even ran across any in the small amount of time you had played the game. ROFL I bet you canceled your 14 day trial!!
Your a tard noob--K thats all I wanted to say.
Who are these people.
Brostyn what do you know about daoc's policys on cheating. DAOC isnt more aggressive? What are you talking about? You people are pulling stuff out of your backside. You know nothing of daoc or there employees. How much more aggressive can you be than banning someone for life?
Brostyn what all mighty game are you playing?
A macro isn't a hack. And wtf is a Speed Hack for EVE?? I think if you downloaded any of those, you'd find a nice virus on your PC. Especially since you say you found hacks that avoid you being detected using a macro, if you knew how they detected macro users (btw, there is no actual program that can does it) then you'd know that site you found is BS.
I don't know about the money hack, it doesn't seem possible to me. But I won't assume they don't exist without the facts.
To the guy who said i'm a nublet to MMO's, you are correct. EVE was my first MMO, i've tried others but they just don't provide the PvP excitement I need like EVE does.
Also, EVE's policy on breaking the rules (to a point where you're banned (Macro Mining)) would mean all accounts banned, not just the one you were caught on. If the DAoC Devs can't be bothered (perhaps it's about money, though) to ban all associated accounts, even though i realise they can change their IP, is lazy to me. They could easily ban the any accounts associated with the IP, not everyone can change their IP without asking their ISP (like me), so it would stop a lot of people, and makes others do a bit of work to get back on the game, which might make anyone think twice before using them!
-iCeh
Do you know how an IP works? When you connect to the internet your internet provider assigns you an address so that you can send and recieve packets of intformation that is the internet. Almost every person that logs onto the internet has a dynamic IP address. This means it changes constantly. When I reset my cable modem it resets my IP. I can pull up my cable modem and have it reset itself. The same goes for DSL. Dial up also works the same. You dial into your ISP it then assigns you an IP address. You IP address is usually similar each time on dial up for a period of time - but never exactly the same.
The only people that have a stable IP address that never changes are those that pay for a static IP address. Usually those people who host games/servers will do this.
If Eve does ban all "associated" accounts it bans them by CC/billing address. Could DAOC do this? Yes, but it also means punishing innocent people. Suppose that your older brother cheats, but you do not. Just to prevent cheating should the younger sibling be punished? What if my roommater also plays the game and cheat, should I be punished for his actions? I am not willing to punish and harass people just because of a few bad apples. Not every household has only one DAOC players.
If you wish to believe that EVE does not have hacks, go ahead and live with that belief and enjoy Eve. But you are extremely myopic if you think that only DAOC has cheating. Your propsal of how to address cheating situations is draconian. DAOC finds the cheaters and bans them. There is no one to design your game to be unhackable. There is no fair way to ban people from the game accept for banning only the offending account.
Who are these people.
Brostyn what do you know about daoc's policys on cheating. DAOC isnt more aggressive? What are you talking about? You people are pulling stuff out of your backside. You know nothing of daoc or there employees. How much more aggressive can you be than banning someone for life?
Brostyn what all mighty game are you playing?
They do nothing to prevent radaring. What did I pull out of my backside? Perhaps it is you who knows nothing about daoc and its employees. You can't ban someone when you don't know if they are cheating.
Meh, whether you believe it or not we ban people for Radar all the time, we only announce the big batches that happen every so often. Radaring isn't as prevalent as everyone wants to believe. There is a big problem with people who get owned in RvR and their egos. A lot of people out there are under the false impression that they're so damned good if they were killed the other person HAD to be Radaring. If we banned everytime someone appealed someone else for radaring there'd be no one left in the frontiers. If someone gets appealed for Radar we keep an eye on em, most times it turns out to be false.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
-iCeh
well....figuring he works for mythic and the GMs their have ways of looking into the game that no one else can, I think it would be easy...if not doable.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
That's funny. You are basing your opinion with no evidence. You have never seen anyone with radar. You have never used it and avoided being caught. I have never played with anyone that has radar. I have not been killed in NF in a long time where the death appeared to be someone with radar. Then you believe that someone who works for the game doesn't know. Talk abouy hubris! If you like EVE then go play EVE. There are hacks in EVE if you believe it or not. The cheaters in DAOC are caught and banned if you believe it or not. These are fact verified by evidence and not just 'I think' statements. Unfortunatly "I think" statements are not proof. If they were then we would have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq!
I was asking him questions, wondering if indeed he did know. I never once said that he didn't know, again, i was asking if he did.
Also i didn't say i had any kind of proof, so where are these comments coming from? I merely want to know how they detect them, and IF indeed they can without "I think" kinda proof. But, since you seem to know a lot about this, as you said " The cheaters in DAOC are caught and banned if you believe it or not. These are fact verified by evidence and not just 'I think' statements." then perhaps you can answer my questions with this evidence that you say exists.
-iCeh
In regards to the poster who referred to the OP as a n00b etc, that was more than a little harsh but I can understand your point. I would agree that if cheaters are a concern then a different game may be warranted.
However, i would say that before you commit to a game, do some research on the pros and cons and try one out. Don't let negative responses chase you away from them. You will find good and bad in every game.
Personally, I am pleased with their "no nonsense" approach to this practice. NOTHING kills RvR/PvP for the casual player/hard core gamer more than a gank squad or group using radar or some other exploit/hack/cheat to "farm" players. As a victim of this practice, I know the feeling of dread one can face when attempting RvR to gain points and participate, only to find out that the 6 times you get killed is by the same player who tracks you wherever you are because you apparently present an easy mark for their little gank buddies and that same group using radar isn't good enough to do RvR the way it was designed. I was tracked by some firbolg <expletive> who used this on lots of folks recently and it really soured me to RvR for several months. Which is to the detriment of the people I play with and Mythic. They lose casual gamers when this goes on so a big "thumbs up" to them from me on their "just say no" policy of banning cheaters and pathetic players.
The only people that have a stable IP address that never changes are those that pay for a static IP address. Usually those people who host games/servers will do this.
Actually, a dynamic IP is pulled from an available pool of IP addresses within a specific network pool, say Comcast or Charter for example. There is a set number of available IPs available to customers in specific nodes in specific areas and these are doled out on a "first come first serve" basis. While a dynamic IP can and will change from time to time, given the number of users on individual nodes and the ranges set by ISPs, the IP doesn't change every time the lease expires. Lease times can vary from ISP to ISP but are typically 7 days. At the end of that lease, the IP will release and the PC/modem will request a new one from the network. Depending on the number of users connected to a specific node in that network area, either the same IP or a new one will be doled out to the user's machine. I believe with DSL the network configurations are pretty much the same as cable. With Dial up it is possible to get a different IP each time one is connected, given the nature of the connection. So yes, when a cable modem is reset ("powercycled"), it does send out a request for a new IP. More often than not, it will get the same IP it has had previously.
The three types of IP addressing used are Dynamic, which are described above, "sticky" IPs and true static IPs. Sticky IPs are dynamic IPs that are usually "reserved" for the same PC from lease to lease. As far as I know, I have only heard of Charter doing this for their business customers so I don't know if this is still utilized in large networks. Static IPs are addresses that are kept apart from the allowed range of available dynamic IPs and are individually assigned to the specific machine from a specific pool. All of these requests are handled server side so as to control bandwidth and saturation in the network.
There is a lot more to it than that, but I thought, since we were discussing IPs, that it might help some folks to get a little additional basic info on them so the convo would make a bit more sense to folks. I'm not a network engineer but I do work with the technology so I thought this might help out some. No offense intended towards anyone.
He is just a young man that wants proof, even though they have banned over 1600 accounts for it. The fact is Mythic nor anyone associated with Mythic is going to tell you how they catch radar users. If you want to know go get the radar program and use it for awhile. When you get banned then you know they do it.
Good luck finding a game that doesn't have cheats being used. Don't try WoW at all cause that game simply made it so that many things that people looked at as cheats would be legal simply because they never wanted to police them. Its really not that easy to replace your 7x 50 account after getting banned. Maybe its easy to level but it is NOT that easy to level. The game has fixed numerous exploit issues and banned countless players. If you want a fair game then this would definately be one of the best. As long as people can cheat then they will, but good luck in whatever you do play because I am sure that no one will cheat there *GROANS!!*.
[quote]Originally posted by brostyn
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Originally posted by logangregor
Originally posted by brostyn
They do nothing to prevent radaring. What did I pull out of my backside? Perhaps it is you who knows nothing about daoc and its employees. You can't ban someone when you don't know if they are cheating.[/quote]
ROFL LMAO. You are kidding right? Every couple weeks DAOC posts to tell of a new wave of cheaters banned and to ask people to stop using third party programs.
What happens with radar programs etc, is the devs find out about it, change the game a little bit to block to hack, and the person/people who create the hack program find a way around it.
The popular radar program for DAOC typically goes down every time they patch the game, but the guy who makes the hack finds a way around it in a day or two usually. DAOC managed to stop one of the two major radar hacks completely for a month or two when they released new frontiers.
Do your research before you bash these devs. They are not perfect, but they work hard.
They should probably hire the hackers to help catch hackers, thats what I would do.
LOL. You want him to post how they catch cheaters? Thats a good one, and you sir, are very poorly informed.
Anyway, I personally know someone that got caught radaring, and it was pretty slick on mythics part. I am not going to talk about it though, no point giving anyone any pointers to help them avoid getting caught, though I doubt they would even know they were being watched.
Ive seen some of the devs on pendragon have some wild toold they can go around the game doing some wile stuff.
They can also ready all of the chat logs.. If they want to.