Originally posted by Badaboom This is why darkfall needs to have local banking. This is gold.
Im pretty sure you have lost touch with reality, common sense, priorities, self worth, and the existance of gaming as a recreational hobby all in one statement.
You cant possibly believe its "golden" for a human being to have invested and lost 6k in a computer game. If so then you have solidified my first sentence.
First of all it was not 6k real money but in-game money so it is almost sure he did earn it in game and not spent real $.
Second of all it was his CARGO, that was worth that much. He could avoid this kind of losses by simply NOT taking this amount of cargo all at once. HE (or she) DECIDED HIMSELF to risk that much. NOONE forced him. Game mechanics NOT forced him.
I think you severely lack information what actually happened.
Originally posted by asmkm22 The player has claimed on the forums the he got all of his stuff back, due to his account having been hacked. Take that for what it's worth, but it would make sense why "he" would have run through nullsec with a crap ship and a ton of blueprints.
Nope, dont believe it for a second.
CCP is just as merciless as its players.
Except the dude probably works for CCP and just made a new batch using a GM tool... wouldn't surprise me.
Originally posted by asmkm22 The player has claimed on the forums the he got all of his stuff back, due to his account having been hacked. Take that for what it's worth, but it would make sense why "he" would have run through nullsec with a crap ship and a ton of blueprints.
Nope, dont believe it for a second.
CCP is just as merciless as its players.
Except the dude probably works for CCP and just made a new batch using a GM tool... wouldn't surprise me.
The last CCP guys to do that was 5 years ago, and it DID cost him his job in the end. And all he got his grubby hans on was about 10 items of relative low value.
There is a myth among nullsec players about a shuttle carrying a Titan BPO, this reminds me of that and its why players shoot everything in sight thats not blue. Personally I think he should have used a Black Ops BS to carry that, you can cyno in and out of systems undetected and safely cloak up while you prep the next cyno. Its much safer than trying to run the gauntlet when carrying so much valuable stuff.
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Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
or he is actually telling the truth and the guy who hijacked his account flew to a pre selected gate where his pals were waiting for him and just picked up the stuff. Short and sweet. To the outside world it woudl look like a normal "idiot ball" moment.
Originally posted by VideoJockey No sympathy. What did he think would happen? If the value of the ship was that important, why didn't he sell it?
It wasn't the value of the ship,it was the cargo that was so valuable.
He tried to transport a cargo full of expensive blue prints through null sec using a cheap and fast frigate probably thinking that nobody would consider him valuable therefore having a higher chance to pass.It didn't happen.
I'm newbie in EVE and I was wondering, why would he had to transport it? Can not him keep it on Item Hangar?
Originally posted by VideoJockey No sympathy. What did he think would happen? If the value of the ship was that important, why didn't he sell it?
It wasn't the value of the ship,it was the cargo that was so valuable.
He tried to transport a cargo full of expensive blue prints through null sec using a cheap and fast frigate probably thinking that nobody would consider him valuable therefore having a higher chance to pass.It didn't happen.
I'm newbie in EVE and I was wondering, why would he had to transport it? Can not him keep it on Item Hangar?
Honestly there is never ever a need to put that much stuff in your cargo bay, because if you get ganked like this guy did its all over but the crying. I almost sounds like somebody knew he was making a run, and was tracking him. I would have been a lot better to use a shuttle if your moving blueprints as they are tons faster, and a lot harder to hit.
I also don't believe for one minute that the guys account was hacked and that ccp gave him his stuff back they are known for taking the stance that stuff happens.
The only reason why he would have made such a run is if the corporate hanger was about to be captured or destroyed.
Its actually much much more than is on the kill mail. Kill boards pick up off the prices of the regional market. He was in 00 space in which the prices are much lower, as no one really uses the 00 regional markets to get a realistic price.
Going on Jita prices (those of you that dont play eve, Jita is the main market hub of the eve world where the prices are realistic) hes lost roughly 500 Million. Half a trillion!
Originally posted by VideoJockey No sympathy. What did he think would happen? If the value of the ship was that important, why didn't he sell it?
It wasn't the value of the ship,it was the cargo that was so valuable.
He tried to transport a cargo full of expensive blue prints through null sec using a cheap and fast frigate probably thinking that nobody would consider him valuable therefore having a higher chance to pass.It didn't happen.
I'm newbie in EVE and I was wondering, why would he had to transport it? Can not him keep it on Item Hangar?
Honestly there is never ever a need to put that much stuff in your cargo bay, because if you get ganked like this guy did its all over but the crying. I almost sounds like somebody knew he was making a run, and was tracking him. I would have been a lot better to use a shuttle if your moving blueprints as they are tons faster, and a lot harder to hit.
I also don't believe for one minute that the guys account was hacked and that ccp gave him his stuff back they are known for taking the stance that stuff happens.
The only reason why he would have made such a run is if the corporate hanger was about to be captured or destroyed.
That Hangar where you are born, where you have those NPC missons Career giving you missions, is not that safe? could that be destroyed?
Originally posted by VideoJockey No sympathy. What did he think would happen? If the value of the ship was that important, why didn't he sell it?
It wasn't the value of the ship,it was the cargo that was so valuable.
He tried to transport a cargo full of expensive blue prints through null sec using a cheap and fast frigate probably thinking that nobody would consider him valuable therefore having a higher chance to pass.It didn't happen.
I'm newbie in EVE and I was wondering, why would he had to transport it? Can not him keep it on Item Hangar?
Honestly there is never ever a need to put that much stuff in your cargo bay, because if you get ganked like this guy did its all over but the crying. I almost sounds like somebody knew he was making a run, and was tracking him. I would have been a lot better to use a shuttle if your moving blueprints as they are tons faster, and a lot harder to hit.
I also don't believe for one minute that the guys account was hacked and that ccp gave him his stuff back they are known for taking the stance that stuff happens.
The only reason why he would have made such a run is if the corporate hanger was about to be captured or destroyed.
That Hangar where you are born, where you have those NPC missons Career giving you missions, is not that safe? could that be destroyed?
But no, an NPC station can not be captured (or destroyed). A player Outpost (station) can be captured, but not destroyed.
Your items are always safe in an NPC station. They can shot you docking or undocking, but they cant lock you away from your items and ships.
So basically it would be like someone holding a bank hostage but not having the ability to open the vault. Your money is safe in the vault but you cant get any it because its being locked down.
So that player Outpost (bank in the example) could have been locked down for a very long time, maybe even years.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Its actually much much more than is on the kill mail. Kill boards pick up off the prices of the regional market. He was in 00 space in which the prices are much lower, as no one really uses the 00 regional markets to get a realistic price.
Going on Jita prices (those of you that dont play eve, Jita is the main market hub of the eve world where the prices are realistic) hes lost roughly 500 Million. Half a trillion!
Billion..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
Honestly there is never ever a need to put that much stuff in your cargo bay, because if you get ganked like this guy did its all over but the crying. I almost sounds like somebody knew he was making a run, and was tracking him. I would have been a lot better to use a shuttle if your moving blueprints as they are tons faster, and a lot harder to hit.
I also don't believe for one minute that the guys account was hacked and that ccp gave him his stuff back they are known for taking the stance that stuff happens.
The only reason why he would have made such a run is if the corporate hanger was about to be captured or destroyed.
Did you really post this in all seriousness. Telling people to move BPs in a shuttle.
Do you know how when I actually read this that my EVE-attitude just about came out, and I damn near ripped you a new one up these forums and down again.
People you never, as in fucking never, move anything of value in a shuttle. A shuttle has no upgrade slots or rig slots. It cant be improved. Do not listen to him.
Use a shuttle...use a shuttle if you want to end up on here being ridiculed for being a dumbass.
Had the dumbass who got popped in the killmail bothered to fit a low slot models like a few nanofibre internals of any tech level and asome low friction nozzles in the rig slot he should have be able to align a warp before anyone got a lock to pop him.
And a MWD and AB (if he had the powergrid) in the mids and he should have been able to burn out of almost any bubble camp.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Originally posted by uniqsnowflake These sort of things are what makes EVE a true virtual world. The rest of the MMORPG genre is nothing but a bunch of kid games.
That is pretty unfair too say, EVE is an MMO that challenges players and requires a lot of thought and it does provide a genuine real virtual world experience. In fact experiences are what drive the game, the day to day interactions with your friends, enemies and other players in general. The highs and the lows players experience actually mean something too, the lows can really suck but when it goes right its great and both really mean something.
But this doesn't mean other MMOs are kid games or cannot be fun and engaging experiences in there own right. EVE can often be draining for even the most seasoned EVE vet and it doesn't mean anything if an MMO player doesn't find something that can sometimes feel like a second job as worthwhile leisure time.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush, Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light, Company of Heroes II.
Its actually much much more than is on the kill mail. Kill boards pick up off the prices of the regional market. He was in 00 space in which the prices are much lower, as no one really uses the 00 regional markets to get a realistic price.
Going on Jita prices (those of you that dont play eve, Jita is the main market hub of the eve world where the prices are realistic) hes lost roughly 500 Million. Half a trillion!
Billion..
It's about 500 billion, just a typo I guess. 500 million would be pocket change for a character Who's been playing a while.
Never undock in something you can't afford to lose.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
Originally posted by Krashner That's the kind of thing that would make me uninstall the game, go outside, and cry.
thats the kind of thing i make sure its not in the game before i start playing. IM in no way playing a game that i need to spend so much money in X amount of time and then lose everything for Y reason
Further research by CCP shows “quite inflated” discrepancies between EVE-Kill’s now-updated entry of the kill and the actual server data. CCP Senior Public Relations Specialist Ned Coker told PC Gamer the website’s kill notification could’ve mishandled the data fed by EVE Online’s API verification and substituted priceless blueprint originals contained within the cargo instead of cheap copies.
Alternatively, Coker suggested an inaccurate manual posting at the time of the kill would skew numbers upwards, saying, “While still a quite notable kill of an unfit frigate full of blueprint copies and originals, it’s safe to say it’s actually a exponentially less impactful loss, and that other killboard estimates of the same kill nearer the 5-10 billion ISK range are closer to the actual value in our databases depending on the market.” EVE-Kill’s updated estimate places total ISK loss at a more probable—yet still impressive—5.3 billion, or $173.
Has anybody considered that this guy was in the station and had robed the corporate hanger and had his buddies waiting outside so he could get blown up so they could salvage all this stuff?
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First of all it was not 6k real money but in-game money so it is almost sure he did earn it in game and not spent real $.
Second of all it was his CARGO, that was worth that much. He could avoid this kind of losses by simply NOT taking this amount of cargo all at once. HE (or she) DECIDED HIMSELF to risk that much. NOONE forced him. Game mechanics NOT forced him.
I think you severely lack information what actually happened.
Except the dude probably works for CCP and just made a new batch using a GM tool... wouldn't surprise me.
The last CCP guys to do that was 5 years ago, and it DID cost him his job in the end. And all he got his grubby hans on was about 10 items of relative low value.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
or he is actually telling the truth and the guy who hijacked his account flew to a pre selected gate where his pals were waiting for him and just picked up the stuff. Short and sweet. To the outside world it woudl look like a normal "idiot ball" moment.
Or he was a under-cover plant from another corp.
The movie tie-ins are endless.
This have been a good conversation
When you choose to play a game as professional e-sport you set yourself up greater losses.
Nothing to see here really other than potential self-ruin that tends to follow addicts like this.
You stay sassy!
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
I'm newbie in EVE and I was wondering, why would he had to transport it? Can not him keep it on Item Hangar?
Honestly there is never ever a need to put that much stuff in your cargo bay, because if you get ganked like this guy did its all over but the crying. I almost sounds like somebody knew he was making a run, and was tracking him. I would have been a lot better to use a shuttle if your moving blueprints as they are tons faster, and a lot harder to hit.
I also don't believe for one minute that the guys account was hacked and that ccp gave him his stuff back they are known for taking the stance that stuff happens.
The only reason why he would have made such a run is if the corporate hanger was about to be captured or destroyed.
Its actually much much more than is on the kill mail. Kill boards pick up off the prices of the regional market. He was in 00 space in which the prices are much lower, as no one really uses the 00 regional markets to get a realistic price.
Going on Jita prices (those of you that dont play eve, Jita is the main market hub of the eve world where the prices are realistic) hes lost roughly 500 Million. Half a trillion!
That Hangar where you are born, where you have those NPC missons Career giving you missions, is not that safe? could that be destroyed?
He did not lose $6000 of his own pocket money in game....
I once lost a quarter at a laundromat. A real quarter!
/shrugs
Here read my post #23 it will help.
But no, an NPC station can not be captured (or destroyed). A player Outpost (station) can be captured, but not destroyed.
Your items are always safe in an NPC station. They can shot you docking or undocking, but they cant lock you away from your items and ships.
So basically it would be like someone holding a bank hostage but not having the ability to open the vault. Your money is safe in the vault but you cant get any it because its being locked down.
So that player Outpost (bank in the example) could have been locked down for a very long time, maybe even years.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Billion..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
Did you really post this in all seriousness. Telling people to move BPs in a shuttle.
Do you know how when I actually read this that my EVE-attitude just about came out, and I damn near ripped you a new one up these forums and down again.
People you never, as in fucking never, move anything of value in a shuttle. A shuttle has no upgrade slots or rig slots. It cant be improved. Do not listen to him.
Use a shuttle...use a shuttle if you want to end up on here being ridiculed for being a dumbass.
Had the dumbass who got popped in the killmail bothered to fit a low slot models like a few nanofibre internals of any tech level and asome low friction nozzles in the rig slot he should have be able to align a warp before anyone got a lock to pop him.
And a MWD and AB (if he had the powergrid) in the mids and he should have been able to burn out of almost any bubble camp.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
That is pretty unfair too say, EVE is an MMO that challenges players and requires a lot of thought and it does provide a genuine real virtual world experience. In fact experiences are what drive the game, the day to day interactions with your friends, enemies and other players in general. The highs and the lows players experience actually mean something too, the lows can really suck but when it goes right its great and both really mean something.
But this doesn't mean other MMOs are kid games or cannot be fun and engaging experiences in there own right. EVE can often be draining for even the most seasoned EVE vet and it doesn't mean anything if an MMO player doesn't find something that can sometimes feel like a second job as worthwhile leisure time.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
It's about 500 billion, just a typo I guess. 500 million would be pocket change for a character Who's been playing a while.
Nice kill!
Never undock in something you can't afford to lose.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
thats the kind of thing i make sure its not in the game before i start playing. IM in no way playing a game that i need to spend so much money in X amount of time and then lose everything for Y reason
Is this thread still going on?
Further research by CCP shows “quite inflated” discrepancies between EVE-Kill’s now-updated entry of the kill and the actual server data. CCP Senior Public Relations Specialist Ned Coker told PC Gamer the website’s kill notification could’ve mishandled the data fed by EVE Online’s API verification and substituted priceless blueprint originals contained within the cargo instead of cheap copies.
Alternatively, Coker suggested an inaccurate manual posting at the time of the kill would skew numbers upwards, saying, “While still a quite notable kill of an unfit frigate full of blueprint copies and originals, it’s safe to say it’s actually a exponentially less impactful loss, and that other killboard estimates of the same kill nearer the 5-10 billion ISK range are closer to the actual value in our databases depending on the market.” EVE-Kill’s updated estimate places total ISK loss at a more probable—yet still impressive—5.3 billion, or $173.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/10/22/eve-online-lost-cargo/
"Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named "John"?
Has anybody considered that this guy was in the station and had robed the corporate hanger and had his buddies waiting outside so he could get blown up so they could salvage all this stuff?
Just saying the kill sounds way to perfect.