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Ever wondered where the flu exactly originates every year?
Enigma
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Take a look. Ive known this for some time. But I figured some of ya would like to know (morbid curiousity I guess)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/eyeonchina.virus/index.html
Also, something I didnt see in the article...but the flu always starts around summertime (beginning of summer) in China (always the same spot....give or take a couple hundred miles) and Americans always get the flu in the Winter because that is how long it takes for it to spread.
If you are keeping track of the Chinese Avian flu, you'll noticed it hit the shores of Greece today. Flu Season usually hits the U.S. between December to March.
Get your flu shots this year folks, cause we're getting a very strong flu bug
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Well its hard to see how this wont turn into a China bashing thread, but if the hat fits....
So let me kick off...
I have been to Hong Kong several times and Mainland China once. My best friend and ex business partner lives in downtown HK and in 12 months time will be eligible for dual Oz/HK citizenship.
Everytime I visit him I am struck by the way Chinese treat "life" both human and animal. It is my firm belief that their barbaric (only word I can think of that fits) attitude toward animal cruelty and just general decency toward other living creatures, is behind the staggering amount of exotic diseases they seem to spawn to release on the rest of us.
The article linked above describes accurately what I have seen everyime I visit. I am always moved almost to tears at the things they do to animals without batting an eyelid.
As anyone on these forums knows I am not religious. However if there is a god then he or she must truly wonder what the hell he did wrong to have ended up with people so utterly devoid of empathy for other living creatures as the average chinese.
In any given market street you can see everything from cats and dogs to little tortoises (turtles) as big as your fist, to giant cockroaches and spiders and even mice, all displayed for you to eat. Now Im not so pompous as to begin to say "omfg who would eat a spider", thats their choice. It is more the fact that the spider is defanged and sat in some box in the sun for hours or days before it eventually gets eaten. It is the way animals are treated prior to their inevitable demise that I cant stand. My conviction as a meat eater is that the LEAST we can do for the animals we eat is treat them decently while they are alive.
Combine this with the fact that Chinese seem absolutely fine with the concept of eating species that are endangered and you see the problem. I have no doubt in my mind that if a Chinese business man knew he had to kill the last tiger on the planet in order to eat it's penis (and they do) then he would not give it a second thought. Which makes me laugh in a way because much of the weird $hit they eat is about increasing thier "virility" and can anyone say that theirs is a country that needs more people ?
I really believe that the planet has a way of responding to our actions. I strongly believe that the reason so many weird diseases originate in China and Africa is for the very reasons outlined in the article En1gma has linked. We can only hope our nations dont suffer the fate they are trying to cook up for us with their completely bizarre and unsustainable lifestyles.
Excellent post En1gma
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
I read about this place some time ago and a couple of questions occur to me.
If this is where all flus come from then could we literaly eradicate flu simply by turning this part of the world into an uninhabited ( by man ) nature reserve ?
Seeing as this area is such a breeding ground for illness, then why is it so heavily populated with seeming healthy, and obviously hungry, people ?
Perhaps it is because the locals live in such close proximity with nature at its most raw that they have a natural immunity to viruses that lay the rest of us low ?
There was an excelent article in The New Scientist magazine ( I think ) once, about how the cizilised West's obsession with cleanliness is actually weakening our immune systems.
Interesting ( if scary ) stuff
Yeah thats another pet topic for me...
I really think thats a very plausible theory. If you look at Asthma for example.... the rate has gone up logarithimically in western countries and has not moved in the 3rd world. Our dumbed down immune systems from generations of living in clean environments is a natural and sensible hypothesis for this.
Linked to that theory is the recent (15 years) dramtic rise in serious food alergies among children. It follows that as our immune systems weaken we will be more susceptible to things like food alergies.
Just to take this slightly off topic and into dangerous territory on these forums... I also contend that this is absolute proof of evolution.
We have altered our environments over the last 3 generations (75 years) to the point that our bodies are now responding as they always have and always will. We have spent 3 generations telling our bodies that a strong immune system is not required to survive in our western world and guess what, our bodies have gone "Okily Dokily then".
When you conbine a generationaly weakening immune system with a strengthening threat of new and virrulent disease..... you dont have to be a genius to work out it is a recipe for potentially massive disastour.
Damn we are good
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
call me crazy but I think these viruses are spread on purpose by the pharmaceutical companies
I also think that the A.I.D.S virus was man-made.
Yep..
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These days very little would surprise me...
I have long thought that computer virus protection companies would be well served by releasing the odd virus on the quiet... So who knows...
My take on aids has always been this (its mine and you can use it
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"Aids is the planet's way of telling us that there are too many of us"
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Well, I just got done killing 1,500 people of the Shu Dynasty...in china...In Dynasty Warriors 4
. Now, I have just read 2 pretty good post in this thread. One guy seem to beat me too it that our immune systems are weakening from evolution. Now I do know that most flu do come from a 3 world country.
Now I got a question. Razor, you said that people in China eat exotic things to increase their vitality, but I thought Japan did this more, just not with weird stuff. What was the name of that squid, that eating it can give you a . . . (there is no way to censor this) bone for like several hours? I can't remember... Nagasaki?
Now a question for all of you: If you was presented with a soup called "Dragon-Tiger-Phoenix Soup" (and really didn't know what was in it) would you eat it? Knowing me I think I would...Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon...I might have thought it would be like the official soup.
Now, let me finish reading this CNN report.
Here is some funny stuff:
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SouthPark in Chinese
Chinese Gold Farmer
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Either that, or it's Mother Nature's immune system...too many bad stuff going on her so she got to wash and cleanse herself....but that's basicly the same thing.
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I believe AIDs, SARS, etc is nature's way of providing us with natural antibodies and also it may be nature's was of saying, STOP the unnatural act of certain things. I dont think AIDs were developed by a drug company....that sorta falls into Shadow Government Conspiracy theories.
SARs came about because the Chinese started to eat exotic cats cramped up in these tiny cages. AIDs came about from men sleeping with wild monkeys (which carried the virus but was a carrier and not sick).
I agree, razor, the Western World has sorta grown weak (immunity wise) and we have to be careful. However, nuking China wouldnt be the answer. Because as soon as that happens, another country will pick up the mantle as the world's petry dish. Unfortunately, as well, China will not listen to the World Health Organization (WHO) and WHO has been on pins and needles with them. I mean, after all....how are you going to convince a country of 2 billion people to stop unhealthy practices when they have more intense things to worry about.
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So just because something falls into your supposed 'shadow government conspiracy theory' category you automatically discount it as not being true?
Besides, what I'm saying as nothing to do with a 'shadow' government... what I'm talking about it greedy, unscrupulous pharmaceutical companies playing a very dangerous profit game. The same companies that are creating no-existant diseases and selling the appropriate medicines to them time after time. Do a little research (NOT CNN) and you'll be shocked at some of the things you'll discover.
Those people are capable of ANYTHING
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Aids being man-made, that is just stupid. So if a company has made AIDS, why aren't they making GIANT profits on curing it now? This must be one of the funniest conspiration theories ever
Every scientist in the world knows that putting uncureable virus into the world, is so stupid that they wouldn't even do it, if they are offered 50 billion.
These viruses are micro organisms that evolve like everything else in this world. If it didn't exists 100 years ago doesn't mean it can't exist today.
for the sake of my own sanity I'll pretend I never read this..
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and also it may be nature's was of saying, STOP the unnatural act of certain things.
You took the words right out of my mouth with that ending statement. Somewhere along the line of things, when there are 30+ billion people in the world, someone's going to get a nuke up the arse, "mother" nature's going to kill off a good part of her children, or we're going to be starving to death while eating soylent green. Maybe death, birth control, and interplanetary exploration will cut down on the population a bit.
Personally I think the arrogance of man will pay for its own abominations; the innocent will suffer alongside. There's nothing we can do. People can holler all they want. They can live a perfect life as an example. They can wage war against one another to get their points across. And then when all the millions of corpses litter the fields, it begins again but low and grows when all have forgotten the previous generation's folly. Man will not change history until he changes himself and it is up to each one of us to watch ourselves.
No one can change a person's mind unless they are willing that their mind be changed. We have now only the duty to live our lives as best we can and wait to see what happens next.
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lol, what did you use to test one ???
hehe, didn't know these things neither
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No disrespect to you, Lexi-xon
But yes....if you think pharmaceutical companies, etc created the AIDs virus, then yes, I believe its a conspiracy theory and I think many people would tend to agree. Sorta like saying someone found the vaccine for cancer but kept it on the shelf because the pharmaceutical companies can make more money making lower end drugs for the sickness.
If you want to think some business was behind it, then that's your perogative. I tend to take the science route with it.
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Another conspiracy theory regarding how Aids became so widespread so quickly that is was distributed through a flu shot. It's original design was meant to target homosexuals, drug users and minorities. A way of the World Health Organization dealing with population control.
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Your timing is impeccable because right now I have the flu.
Headache and then really sore stomach, hurled three times all over our wooden stairs on the way to the bathroom. That was fun to clean up. Oh but thats not the worst...I ache all over. I swear, my shirt touching my skin HURTS....everything hurts. MMMMM but reading your post, chicken, cat soup wtf? I thought I was gonna get nautious all over again right there.
To your post, that doesnt surprise me at all. I dont look at it as a chinese problem but as just a country who has low standards of cleanliness. Although it sounds like China takes there food/cleanliness/animal cruelty to a new low, I have no doubt that there are other countrys who do the same things. Many diseases are transmitted through blood. But I know of one asian country who eats blood on there pizza....and if you dont your looked on as less of a man. Whats that all about?
In many ways old chinese medicine is so advanced with the herbs and the accupuncture. It really blows me away that a country which such vast cultural health knowledge wouldnt take the proper procedures to keep the food they eat clean.
No disrespect to you, Lexi-xon
But yes....if you think pharmaceutical companies, etc created the AIDs virus, then yes, I believe its a conspiracy theory and I think many people would tend to agree. Sorta like saying someone found the vaccine for cancer but kept it on the shelf because the pharmaceutical companies can make more money making lower end drugs for the sickness.
If you want to think some business was behind it, then that's your perogative. I tend to take the science route with it.
why cure when you make more money treating the disease.
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yes we already know this, Clexle
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I've studied Buddhism and it has the utmost respect for life and ALL living things. Considering certain buddhist philosphies involves reincarnation, buddhists tend to respect even earthworms in fear that any disrespect to any form of live will condemn that person in their next reincarnation into that form. Those chinese you met are probably communist atheists.