Top reasons to give people you dont like weed.

Vampir · October 2005

this happened like 2 days ago and i was gonna post it but i just flat out had better things to do but ill post it now.

this prick at work cant do his job, so when he does something wrong that affects me first i tell him(so he can correct it before manager has to be involved) then if not i tell the manager.

so i have to resort to the latter, and as im taking out trash he starts to pick a fight with me, now i had absolutely no fear going into this fight because of these reasons.

1. stoners(who are exclusive to marajuana) are easy as hell to fight because the synaptic gaps actually widen, and the receptors are block and reaction inhibitors are increased which leads to a very significantly decreased reaction time from a biological standpoint.

2. he has a lot of beer fat sure he probably has 30 pounds of weight above me but he has a lot of weight to due alcholol and bad diet.

3. Weed also leads to slowing of metabolism and muscle growth,

4. he had just smoked 2 hours ago and barely knew what the hell was going on.

So i kick him once in the nads, then trip him and tell him to back off or i charge him with assault(this was after he threw the first missed punch)

then better yet a state police captain is sitting at the bar near my glasswashing station so i ask him if he can have a "random" search of the guys car on suspiscion of having weed,

so this happens and they find a pound of pot, 5 bongs, a hooka(dont know how to spell it)

so encourage anyone you dont like to do drugs because its only giving you shotgun shells..... aimed at there head.

ZivaDomini · October 2005

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lex-icon82 · October 2005

weed also makes you aggressive in the long run

Gideon · October 2005

Originally posted by lex-icon82

weed also makes you aggressive in the long run

I believe your thinking of alcohal... Ive been around many people who were "high" and they are extremely laid back.

lex-icon82 · October 2005

Originally posted by Gideon
Originally posted by lex-icon82

weed also makes you aggressive in the long run

I believe your thinking of alcohal... Ive been around many people who were "high" and they are extremely laid back.

that's if they always smoke, but as soon as smokers don't get any they become aggressive, I know this because my brother was an addict.

Marijuana may seem like a harmless drug but like all other drugs it's anything but...

fortunefader · October 2005

i think its just a matter of taking the substance at yer own risk. weed doesnt really do any serious stuff to users. in most countries its even legal to use it for medicinal purposes. jamaican people consider it as medicine too.The point of arguement usually is that it serves as a doorway for other more seriously detremental drugs though, but like i said its up to the user.

Sackynut · October 2005

lol, thats pretty funny. i know a bunch of people that smoke weed and that would tottaly work on them. though im not really SUPER against weed, i dont like it and I found that random drug search thing pretty hilarious.

Razorback · October 2005

Nothing I like more than a pile of over simplified generalisations to kick off a thread...

I wont even bother giving you the pages of information from my life expereince that make a complete nonsense of basically everything in the OT...

Because as you grow up you will realise it for yourself.

Unknown · October 2005

I've known too many people who take the attitude that pot doesn't do that much damage and is essentially harmless. Most people who use the stuff become losers who are completely unmotivated by anything except smoking their garbage. A hefty chunk of those also go on to bigger and nastier things, especially narcotics. The gateway drug speech most people hear and dismiss in school is very true.

I used to actually have some compassion for the people around who were users, but you've got to remember that the users label is all too appropriate. They tend to use everything around them, especially people who love them. It's hard to care about someone when you're less important than a leaf to them. So I've lost tolerance after being used like an idiot one too many times, after having my kindness turned against me by some of the greediest creatures in existence. So now I hate them, all of them. I hate any and every addict, and I don't care where they end up.

You might think it's cold, but this is what happens. It's a concious choice to use this stuff, and it's like selling your soul. You get something up front, but down the line you pay, you always pay. And anyone around you pays with you. In the end, they all look soulless to me.

I applaud your efforts at tormenting this addict. I've known enough of them to tell you that you shouldn't feel bad for doing this, it's what they deserve.

Razorback · October 2005

Originally posted by Sawtooth
I've known too many people who take the attitude that pot doesn't do that much damage and is essentially harmless. Most people who use the stuff become losers who are completely unmotivated by anything except smoking their garbage. A hefty chunk of those also go on to bigger and nastier things, especially narcotics. The gateway drug speech most people hear and dismiss in school is very true.

I used to actually have some compassion for the people around who were users, but you've got to remember that the users label is all too appropriate. They tend to use everything around them, especially people who love them. It's hard to care about someone when you're less important than a leaf to them. So I've lost tolerance after being used like an idiot one too many times, after having my kindness turned against me by some of the greediest creatures in existence. So now I hate them, all of them. I hate any and every addict, and I don't care where they end up.

You might think it's cold, but this is what happens. It's a concious choice to use this stuff, and it's like selling your soul. You get something up front, but down the line you pay, you always pay. And anyone around you pays with you. In the end, they all look soulless to me.

I applaud your efforts at tormenting this addict. I've known enough of them to tell you that you shouldn't feel bad for doing this, it's what they deserve.

Good to see there are still some open minded, non judegemental people left in the world. People who respect the rights of others to live their lives in the way they see fit.

Unknown · October 2005

I acknowledge that I am incredibly intolerant on this subject, and I do not care. I'm tired of seeing it. I used to think 'well, it's a victimless thing, if they want to do this to themselves, if they get something out of it, what do I care?' Unfortunately, it seldom works out that way.

To imply that using marijuana is some kind of grand act of free choice akin to freedom of religion or speech is absurd. There are no fine lines between marijuana and a 'real' drug. It destroys the user, and drags down everyone around them. It always begins the same way, just 'recreational' use. Use it only here and there, only as often as a someone might have a casual drink of alcohol.

Have you ever seen someone who's smoked pot their whole life? They're not there. They don't care about anything, or anyone. They just...smoke pot and mill around.

Marijuana is grotesque, and the idea that treating it with an open mind as something that is worthwhile, or at the very least harmless, is equally grotesque. I can't stop it, it's here to stay. You can't close Pandora's box. What I can do is enforce my own ideal upon the world. Drug users should be stigmatised. They've allowed themselves to sink to a sub-human level, neglecting reality in favor of a chemical. It is not worth the heartache to struggle and fight for the life of someone you love only to watch them throw away every chance they're given, every hope of redemption, to slip deeper and deeper into their own personal hell.

I encourage anyone who likes to use pot every now and then, in its so called recreational capacity, to spend time around really serious users of really serious substances. There are volunteer programs if you want to get really really close, or addicts who will give testimonials. You probably won't walk away thinking any differently about this topic, and that's not the intention. The intention is to clarify just where exactly that door goes, the door you open every time you use the stuff. That is the hell where many end up, even if it's not you, even if you never get that bad and just use it occasionally for your whole life.

At the very least it will give insight into why people like me believe what we do, and why we are disgusted by drug use. I hate people who willingly put people they love through that, or even risk it. In all my life watching people I love start out playing around with something, only to continously graduate to more deplorable acts and more potent chemicals, and throwing away everything and everyone around them, is the closest thing I can imagine to being in hell.

I do not trust anyone who uses marijuana, I have been stabbed in the back by too many users to retain an open mind on the subject. Beyond that I do not like such people on a personal level, and I do my best to ensure that they are not happy in my presence. The fine lines and potential slippery slopes have all given way in my experiences. Using that stuff is inviting disaster, and I won't have a user anywhere near me when it happens.

Enigma · October 2005

I know first hand, my brother almost ruined his life to pot. Lost 4 jobs after high school and dropped out of college because he was sitting home all day in a smoke cloud...not to mention he used a good chunck of his college loan to buy weed that whole year.

People think those who smoke marijuana cannot get addicted to it and are mellow all the time. Sadly, that isn't true. My brother was addicted to it more so than cigerettes. He was only mellow when and right after he smoked. After that he was always uptight (like he got up on the wrong side of the bed 24/7).

We (our family) confronted him and today he doesnt smoke pot. He'll tell you that it is addictive and if anyone says otherwise they're only kidding themselves.

Im not here to condemn those who smokes it every once and a while...or even smokes it like it's going out of style. It's your body, its your right to do whatever to it as long as it doesnt directly hurt anyone else.

My brother graduated college and is now an anti-drug speaker for a lot of high schools and colleges.

Im just saying you can actually go downhill on the stuff if you're not careful.

There...that's my Dr Phil comment of the day ::::02::

Darktania · October 2005

I believe you have your recreational users and you have your irresponsible addicts. That goes with anything recreational. Even video games. Just take a look at what's going on in Asia with all those gaming addicts skipping meals and bathing just to play more games.

Just for the record I havent touched the stuff since college. To me it just felt like an alcohol buzz that gave you the munchies. Hardly worth risking jail time.

Now I do have friends that recreationally smoke it from time to time and are very successful in life. But I also have one friend thats a loser and spends what little food money he has on getting more weed to smoke.

It's ashame that people can become so weak to certian substances. If it wasnt for these idiots maybe alot of recreational activities wouldn't be illegal.

Rikimaru_X · October 2005

That was pretty funny. I don't do drugs nor drink. I never will. MY PARENTS WOULD DOUBLE TEAM ME IF I EVER DID SMOKE OR DRINK! So, I'm drug and alcohol free today and forever. I do know what weed smell like though. You can smell it off some people at school, well when I was in school.

Razorback · October 2005

Originally posted by Sawtooth
Have you ever seen someone who's smoked pot their whole life? They're not there. They don't care about anything, or anyone. They just...smoke pot and mill around.

See this is why I always both love and hate this ill informed generalistic conversation. I always have to reveal my personal life to make a point and I dont see why I should have to because its none of your damn business. But at the same time I cant read these generalisations based on a narrow field of reference and say nothing, because other people might get the impression your right.

I am 39 years old. I have smoked pot since I was 16. At various times I have stopped for periods of days to months and at other times I have smoked a LOT! I mean 30 bongs a day or more... day in day out for months.

During the 23 years I have been smoking I have been variously in the military, unemployed, in long term employment, in casual employment, studying, business owner, travelling and other normal everyday life type things that everyone goes through in any given 23 year period. I am currently employed full time in the highest paying job I have ever had, I am married and have been with my wife for 18 years, I have a mortgage, I own 2 cars and very nice motor bike which is my other hobby apart from PC's.

I have an adult teaching qualification and I train adults in job and IT skills. So everyday I teach other adults (17+) to use PC's, Windows, Office etc and I teach a program of over 15 courses including Quality Management and Food Hygiene as well. In 2006 I hope to commence an arts degree in philosophy and theology (although Im not religious) out of pure personal interest.

My best friend is a 35 year olf batchelor of economics, master of business administration (MBA) and bachelor of education as well as being an international financial advisor. He currently lives in Hong Kong, he moved there from Australia on the proceeds of the computer store/ISP we ran together for 7 years. He has been married for over 10 years and currently runs an international business and english college in HK and earns the kind of cash most of us will only dream about. He has a similar smoking history to me, we grew up together, got into it together and continue to enjoy to this day.

I do not drink alcahol to speak of.... I like a glass of red wine now and then... and I dont mind a drop of wild turkey... thats about it. I dont really gamble.. I like a little blackjack and poker, thats all, I go to work each day, I come home, I smoke, I play an MMO or something, I watch TV, I go to bed. On weekends I ride my motorbike way to fast around the outskirts of the town I live in and hope I dont get speed gunned this week.

I AM A NORMAL PERSON!!

I bothered writing all that crap to dispell a simple misconception in this thread that mature inteligent people like yourselves should be able to relate to.

Drugs dont kill people, people kill people.

Drugs dont make people lie, cheat and steal. They do it because of a genetic imbalance, a disease, their parents didnt cuddle them enough, they are weak... or whatever physical, social or phsycoligical excuse they prefer to use to describe and try to justify whey they can control themselves.

Not everyone on the planet is like that.

Some of us are able to make informed decisions about how to manage our lives in such a way as to enjoy things in moderation and continue a normal existance. In fact I have always and continue to thouroghly resent the fact that in every other aspect of my life (with the exception of how I ride) I am a tax paying, law abiding citizen who is respected by my friends, family and work collegues, but I am a criminal because I smoke pot.

It is a symptom of a society so utterly bereft of personal responsibility that their own fears about how they may react when they encounter somthing they like in life, that they feel compelled to project thier own weakness on others via law.

Australias gun laws are the most classic example of this mentality. Someone cant be trusted with a gun : ergo : no one can be trusted with guns. Same dog different leg action.

So whilst I dont dispute that anything anyone has written against pot in this thread is true... what I strongly dispute is that it applies to everyone. Because it doesnt.

Unfortunately I cant use my 5+ years of full contact kick boxing training to get Vampyre in the ring and show him us old pot smokers arnt the pushover he thinks we are.... but it would be nice.

No I have to go out to the Anual General Meeting of my company right now so I dont have time to spell check this... so my apologies... but I will be late if I keep ranting... so there

lex-icon82 · October 2005

Razorback, you are the most egotistical person I have ever seen in this forum

So just because YOU made it and never suffered the consequences of Marijuana addiction or made other people suffer because of it that means that everybody else who has is just some weak idiot with no self control who deserves nothing?.

Sure there are people who can control themselves and always decide what's best for them, but what about the ones that can't? do you think it's always a choice? if you do it just shows what a distorted, biased view you have on society, human psychology, and the negative causes/effects certain life experiences can have on people.

Your pretentious posts serve only to assert the fact that you only care about yourself and that you don't give a damn about all those people who are wasting their lives away smoking pot or whatever drug, and all the parents and friends who suffer because of it. Do you think they care for the 'generalisations' and misconceptions' you dislike so much?

Your long winded auto celebrative rant is further proof of how selfish and uncaring you are. So you have a job and a motorbike and a house and whatever, well hooray for you

I hope you're happy

Umbrood · October 2005

Marijuana might be bad, as are all drugs, but if you comparethe active substance THC, with alcohol its a piss in the mississippi.

There is only one reason why marijuana/hashish is outlawed in most places today and alcohol arent, culture.

Had they been found or invented today alcohol would never ever have been legal, marijuana though might have, the effects are just so much smaller.

An alcoholic is so much more of a human wreck then a pot addict ever will be, and the reason it is a "start-up" drug is because it is illegal and for no other reason, to get hold of it you need to socialize with the same people that sell heroin, and eventually they will get you to try that.

In fact legalizing marijuana would be the hardest blow to the heavy drug industry ever, every politician with an interest knows this, but public opinion comes first. In one blow you could probably cut in half the numer of heavy drug users in any country in just a couple of years.

That said, it is illegal and I am law abiding citizen so I do not use it, but I feel it is hypocrachy that alcohol, or even tobacco is legal, wereas marijuana is not.

And arguments like "i know someone" or I heard that", is what is known as hearsay in a court of law and is NOT proof of anything, there are however kilometers of empirical research data on the subject.

Just my point.

lex-icon82 · October 2005

Originally posted by Umbrood
Marijuana might be bad, as are all drugs, but if you comparethe active substance THC, with alcohol its a piss in the mississippi.
There is only one reason why marijuana/hashish is outlawed in most places today and alcohol arent, culture.
Had they been found or invented today alcohol would never ever have been legal, marijuana though might have, the effects are just so much smaller.
An alcoholic is so much more of a human wreck then a pot addict ever will be, and the reason it is a "start-up" drug is because it is illegal and for no other reason, to get hold of it you need to socialize with the same people that sell heroin, and eventually they will get you to try that.
In fact legalizing marijuana would be the hardest blow to the heavy drug industry ever, every politician with an interest knows this, but public opinion comes first. In one blow you could probably cut in half the numer of heavy drug users in any country in just a couple of years.
That said, it is illegal and I am law abiding citizen so I do not use it, but I feel it is hypocrachy that alcohol, or even tobacco is legal, wereas marijuana is not.
And arguments like "i know someone" or I heard that", is what is known as hearsay in a court of law and is NOT proof of anything, there are however kilometers of empirical research data on the subject.
Just my point.

Not true, the reason why Marijuana users almost always go on to do harder drugs is because the effects of weed become dulled with time, you need to smoke more and more to feel the high and logically instead of doing that stoners try out other drugs to get a faster and more powerful effect. Marijuana is very frequently a gateway to hard drugs and THAT'S why most people (including myself) are against it

Razorback · October 2005

Originally posted by lex-icon82

Razorback, you are the most egotistical person I have ever seen in this forum
I hope you're happy

I take the first part as a compliment.

And to the second part. Extremely thank you.

And as for never being exposed to the negative effects of pot (or drugs). My best friend from highschool died on my sofa of a heroin overdose while I was out at work. So Im guessing you assume way too much about me.

My point is simple. We are all in control of our own actions. We all make our own choices. Blaming the consequences of those choices on "pot" for example is a cop out that will see you locked in a cycle of self destruction that you and others have clearly described.

If the fact that I have managed to avoid that scenario disapoints you I am sorry. If the fact that I am living proof that the generalisations most of you have made are completely wrong, then I apologise again for emabarassing you.

Like I said, if you want to write tings, you have to expect them to be challenged. If you dont like them being challenged, dont write them.

Originally posted by Darktania

It's ashame that people can become so weak to certian substances. If it wasnt for these idiots maybe alot of recreational activities wouldn't be illegal.

So someone else is at least prepaed to canvas the posibility that this is an issue about personal responsibility with pot being used as the convenient scape goat. Thanks Dark your widom is appreciated.

People need to control themselves. You can have your cake and eat it too. But you have to be able to control yourself. Its not about drugs or gambling or video games or whatever.

Its about the choices we make in life.

Incidentally....

At the recent Australian Football League Grand Final, Police in my resident state of Victoria excercised thier powers to conduct random drug tests on people leaving the grounds in vehicles outside the main entrance.

44% of the ddrivers tested out of over 1000, were positive for Pot and Speed (or amphetamines and cannabis if you like Dr). Are you people who claim to be in the majority on this topic (even if you in fact are) seriously suggesting you would in this example, criminalise a number of people aproaching 40% of the adult population.

Another approach might be to simply realise that a good portion of any given western first world population are using recreational drugs in addition to alcahol and tobacco. ITS A FACT! and you know what. The sky hasnt fallen in. The black and white simplistic arguments put forward by frothing anti drug campaigners over 20+ years have done nothing.

In science, thats called a pattern.

lex-icon82 · October 2005

"My point is simple. We are all in control of our own actions. We all make our own choices. Blaming the consequences of those choices on "pot" for example is a cop out that will see you locked in a cycle of self destruction that you and others have clearly described"

First of all, your incoherent post did not challenge my views at all, it actually reinforced them.

Secondly, you are once again proving that you live in some sort of utopistical fantasy world where everybody has the power to make a choice, stuff like that happens only on television.

Nietzche's superman doesn't exist, nobody has complete control over their own lives, if you believe it's possible you are only fooling yourself.

Lastly, I'm appalled how you can still think like this after 'your best friend died on your sofa', you should know better.

JoHosephat · October 2005

Originally posted by Razorback

If the fact that I am living proof that the generalisations most of you have made are completely wrong, then I apologise again for emabarassing you.

One person being the exception does not make the generalization wrong.

That's like saying because one person during war never was in the position that ended up with him killing someone, means that the generalization of war being bloody and vicious, isn't true.

Rufius · October 2005

If you get caught smoking weed in or around your workplace, you'll be fired. And in some cases if you have a reputation for smoking, don't expect to be working there long. That is if this place is a respectable establishment, of course.

Gamewize · October 2005

I will always hate alchohol more than any drug. One thing I can agree with is that alchohol is incredibly destructive. My grandmother used to be an alchoholic. She would drink 8 beers out of a 12 pack in a few hours, when this happened she became another person, extremely violent and cruel. Then she was diagnosed with Type-2 Diabetes. She accepts that beer nearly ruined her life, and now hates it as I do.

My stance on drugs is mostly neutral. Personally I think they are for the weak willed, but since its their choice to use t, I can only deal with this fact. True, we dont have complete control of our lives, our choices yes, but we cant control every part of our lives. However, there are many that I wish had made better choices in their lives, such as these kids nowadays who are incredibly dim-witted, not realising how important education will be in their lives.

lex-icon82 · October 2005

Originally posted by Gamewize
I will always hate alchohol more than any drug. One thing I can agree with is that alchohol is incredibly destructive. My grandmother used to be an alchoholic. She would drink 8 beers out of a 12 pack in a few hours, when this happened she became another person, extremely violent and cruel. Then she was diagnosed with Type-2 Diabetes. She accepts that beer nearly ruined her life, and now hates it as I do.
My stance on drugs is mostly neutral. Personally I think they are for the weak willed, but since its their choice to use t, I can only deal with this fact. True, we dont have complete control of our lives, our choices yes, but we cant control every part of our lives. However, there are many that I wish had made better choices in their lives, such as these kids nowadays who are incredibly dim-witted, not realising how important education will be in their lives.

I agree, well said

Rufius · October 2005

Originally posted by lex-icon82
Originally posted by Gamewize
I will always hate alchohol more than any drug. One thing I can agree with is that alchohol is incredibly destructive. My grandmother used to be an alchoholic. She would drink 8 beers out of a 12 pack in a few hours, when this happened she became another person, extremely violent and cruel. Then she was diagnosed with Type-2 Diabetes. She accepts that beer nearly ruined her life, and now hates it as I do.
My stance on drugs is mostly neutral. Personally I think they are for the weak willed, but since its their choice to use t, I can only deal with this fact. True, we dont have complete control of our lives, our choices yes, but we cant control every part of our lives. However, there are many that I wish had made better choices in their lives, such as these kids nowadays who are incredibly dim-witted, not realising how important education will be in their lives.

I agree, well said

I disagree, so I cancel out your vote.

I've seen too many people betrayed by the sugar coated award they work so hard for in the educational field. The "American Dream" is a load of crap now.

As for alchohol, it's legal so and marijuana isn't. Should be enough to tell you which is worse. That is if you trust the government. Which I don't.

lex-icon82 · October 2005

Everything you said is so irrelevant to the discussion that I'm not even going to bother arguing..

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