You are right, it should not be taken as "gospel", but it should be considered close enough for comparison purposes. No single source wil ever get 100% acurate numbers from every company, or even most companies. These numbers change every day. It is like a census. The numbers are not 100% acurate, but they are close enough.
Originally posted by WuduLarch You are right, it should not be taken as "gospel", but it should be considered close enough for comparison purposes. No single source wil ever get 100% acurate numbers from every company, or even most companies. These numbers change every day. It is like a census. The numbers are not 100% acurate, but they are close enough. Just my $.02
Are they "close enough" because you want them to be?
Bruce himself states that there is no way for him to confirm the numbers that are given to him by the various companies for the products on that chart. At best, its a maybe.
I believe it is a good ballpark, but the numbers for SWG's last report was before the CU drove everyone away, and after the noobs joined.
An absolute best-case scenario that one month later is much lower.
Not an outright lie, just like looking at a stock's year peak, and not looking a the immediate drop afterwards.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
In my own personal opinion the relative market shares of the games relative to each other (on the mmorpgchart website) are quite accurate. The actual numbers may be off, but because every corp lies as much as the other corp, the relative standing is represented well on that website.
Its not THE truth, but it represents well what I see personally while playing various games (or watching friends play other games).
Anyways I do believe the impact on actual subscribers is there from the cu on some servers. I play tempest and it is very much a server gasping for air economically. Off peak hours Tempest was always a bit barren. Now its a ghost town.
The length of playtime and interest in players has dropped on tempest. I have recently discovered JTL though and if I can get some people to follow its really fun to team in space. I fear the content for jtl is very small though. My gut is telling me I don't have much left at 3-2-2-2 that is actually mission content which scares me that they really only coded a few missions per space professional. if its true I will be quiet dissappointed.
Anyways, tempest has devolved into grinders jedi wanna-be's, jedi or a small percentage of crafters and jtl folks. That is not healthy no matter how you spin the numbers. The dev's need to focus on giving players a reason to look up from there keyboards. More professions need to be jedi killers in pvp. The game is really suffering from the grind group mentality.
Originally posted by WuduLarch You are right, it should not be taken as "gospel", but it should be considered close enough for comparison purposes. No single source wil ever get 100% acurate numbers from every company, or even most companies. These numbers change every day. It is like a census. The numbers are not 100% acurate, but they are close enough. Just my $.02
Are they "close enough" because you want them to be?
Bruce himself states that there is no way for him to confirm the numbers that are given to him by the various companies for the products on that chart. At best, its a maybe.
I sure wouldnt bet the farm on a 50/50 prospect.
I am not going to buy stock based on these numbers, but for the purpose of comparison on a message board for a game, I feel they are adequate.
OK.. first off your talking about the wrong thing. WE shouldnt be talking about the combat upgrade we need to talk about the combat DOWGRADE. HELLO!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES!! Why do you think so many people are leaving???? Because they dont want to play a crappy game.
"SWG... the dying ember in the fireplace of dreams"
Its not what I see on my server (Naritus) . Its not what I have seen on the Euro servers. Its not what I am reading in any website that discusses numbers based on insider info from the industry or official press releases.
Some players CLAIM that people are leaving, because their friend list is going empty ... not realizing that this is a natural thing in any MMORPG. That while some old players leave, new players start.
Have fun
Erillion
PS: A factum for a little smile .. some of the critical voices here on this website just started playing again :-) I wonder why .... :-)
Its like taking that ticker for Guild Wars at face value.
LOL yeah hehe.
1,000,000 plus players, 8 at a time, and going up so fast you can't see the meter working.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
Don't you think its kind of telling that guild wars has sold 1 million copies and swg can only muster 300k subscribers at its peek?
As for the CU destroying swg. I believe the manner that it was implimented didn't help support its cause and due to that methodology it was not the success the combat revamp should have been. Did the cu destroy the game? It certainly didn't make it wildly successful. It didn't improve its subscribers numbers in any drastic event. It didnt get much support in the forums or in gaming magazines. It doesn't have a very favorable view among alot of former players who post. Its fan aren't that numerical.
The cu should have been the revolution that brought swg to the top of the genre. I believe all it did was bring it inline with the competition. I personally cannot wait for d&d and lotr to come out. SWG doesn't have much time left as its worn out its welcome and frankly star wars can do better for an mmo. Will sw as a roleplaying game ever be successful compared to d&d style games? I dont really think so. I bet a vampire warewolf game would draw more roleplayers. Its just the sci-fi genre has fewer rpers.
Well .. think about who made more profit .. guild wars .. 1 million boxes .. no subscriber fee.
SWG ... sold some (guestimate) half a million basic game boxes and TTE (plus anothe 500 k in expansion boxes and downloads) ... and 2.3 years of monthly subscriptions.
From an economical point of view SWG is more of a success than GW. Speaking ONLY about profits, no other aspects.
Whats funny about that 1 million number is ; when i went and bought ROTW , I couldnt find it except in the TTE package . Anyone who bought the game in a store got swg , jtl and rotw... my guess is they added up all expansions and sales of the original game and got to 1 million .
Your guys numbers about total subscribers is just speculation . This game has about a 85% turnover rate . My personal guess is theres about 50,000 Active subscribers in this game , which is down from 120,000 pre cu .
For one thing , their servers only support 5000 players online at a time . 26 servers x 5000 players (which would translate to HEAVY LOADS ) 26x5000 = 130 ,000 total players . That is there server CAP.
Next , go make a new toon and take a look at the load status ... oh whats that? , all light load except 1 moderate ??? Light = 1-1000 players online , moderate = 1000-2500 online , heavy = 2500-5000 online .
Now since the server are up about 23 hrs a day , and the normal player only plays about avg 4 hrs , we take 1000 (light) and times it by 2 because chances are that number will flucuate with different players coming and going throughout the day.. server load is never above light on 25/26 servers , lets times the light number 1000 x 2 to get 2000 and times that by 25 servers = 50,000 players.
This is why i beleive there is only around 40k-60k players subscribed to that game... and even less players actualy in game playing it , more close to 30,000 at any given time throughout the day.
Any numbers SOE gives you is a complete fabrication .
Originally posted by metatronic Whats funny about that 1 million number is ; when i went and bought ROTW , I couldnt find it except in the TTE package . Anyone who bought the game in a store got swg , jtl and rotw... my guess is they added up all expansions and sales of the original game and got to 1 million .
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING... we have a winner!
Funny.. they had to add up the totals of the game and two of its expansions to top a mil.... when WoW did what, five times that?
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by metatronic Im pretty shocked a company cant take the Star Wars theme and turn it into 1 mill + subs . For its genre , it really has no competition...
I'm sure Lucasarts asks that at every meeting.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
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You are right, it should not be taken as "gospel", but it should be considered close enough for comparison purposes. No single source wil ever get 100% acurate numbers from every company, or even most companies. These numbers change every day. It is like a census. The numbers are not 100% acurate, but they are close enough.
Just my $.02
Are they "close enough" because you want them to be?
Bruce himself states that there is no way for him to confirm the numbers that are given to him by the various companies for the products on that chart. At best, its a maybe.
I sure wouldnt bet the farm on a 50/50 prospect.
I believe it is a good ballpark, but the numbers for SWG's last report was before the CU drove everyone away, and after the noobs joined.
An absolute best-case scenario that one month later is much lower.
Not an outright lie, just like looking at a stock's year peak, and not looking a the immediate drop afterwards.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
If the numbers cannot be independently verified, then its really no more than public relations hype. Sorry, but thats the honist truth.
Its like taking that ticker for Guild Wars at face value.
In my own personal opinion the relative market shares of the games relative to each other (on the mmorpgchart website) are quite accurate. The actual numbers may be off, but because every corp lies as much as the other corp, the relative standing is represented well on that website.
Its not THE truth, but it represents well what I see personally while playing various games (or watching friends play other games).
Have fun
Erillion
el,
We agree again. Wow!
Anyways I do believe the impact on actual subscribers is there from the cu on some servers. I play tempest and it is very much a server gasping for air economically. Off peak hours Tempest was always a bit barren. Now its a ghost town.
The length of playtime and interest in players has dropped on tempest. I have recently discovered JTL though and if I can get some people to follow its really fun to team in space. I fear the content for jtl is very small though. My gut is telling me I don't have much left at 3-2-2-2 that is actually mission content which scares me that they really only coded a few missions per space professional. if its true I will be quiet dissappointed.
Anyways, tempest has devolved into grinders jedi wanna-be's, jedi or a small percentage of crafters and jtl folks. That is not healthy no matter how you spin the numbers. The dev's need to focus on giving players a reason to look up from there keyboards. More professions need to be jedi killers in pvp. The game is really suffering from the grind group mentality.
Are they "close enough" because you want them to be?
Bruce himself states that there is no way for him to confirm the numbers that are given to him by the various companies for the products on that chart. At best, its a maybe.
I sure wouldnt bet the farm on a 50/50 prospect.
I am not going to buy stock based on these numbers, but for the purpose of comparison on a message board for a game, I feel they are adequate.
Just my $.02
OK.. first off your talking about the wrong thing. WE shouldnt be talking about the combat upgrade we need to talk about the combat DOWGRADE. HELLO!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES!! Why do you think so many people are leaving???? Because they dont want to play a crappy game.
"SWG... the dying ember in the fireplace of dreams"
Tal
What makes you think "many people are leaving" ?
Its not what I see on my server (Naritus) . Its not what I have seen on the Euro servers. Its not what I am reading in any website that discusses numbers based on insider info from the industry or official press releases.
Some players CLAIM that people are leaving, because their friend list is going empty ... not realizing that this is a natural thing in any MMORPG. That while some old players leave, new players start.
Have fun
Erillion
PS: A factum for a little smile .. some of the critical voices here on this website just started playing again :-) I wonder why .... :-)
LOL yeah hehe.
1,000,000 plus players, 8 at a time, and going up so fast you can't see the meter working.
__________________________
"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
Don't you think its kind of telling that guild wars has sold 1 million copies and swg can only muster 300k subscribers at its peek?
As for the CU destroying swg. I believe the manner that it was implimented didn't help support its cause and due to that methodology it was not the success the combat revamp should have been. Did the cu destroy the game? It certainly didn't make it wildly successful. It didn't improve its subscribers numbers in any drastic event. It didnt get much support in the forums or in gaming magazines. It doesn't have a very favorable view among alot of former players who post. Its fan aren't that numerical.
The cu should have been the revolution that brought swg to the top of the genre. I believe all it did was bring it inline with the competition. I personally cannot wait for d&d and lotr to come out. SWG doesn't have much time left as its worn out its welcome and frankly star wars can do better for an mmo. Will sw as a roleplaying game ever be successful compared to d&d style games? I dont really think so. I bet a vampire warewolf game would draw more roleplayers. Its just the sci-fi genre has fewer rpers.
Well .. think about who made more profit .. guild wars .. 1 million boxes .. no subscriber fee.
SWG ... sold some (guestimate) half a million basic game boxes and TTE (plus anothe 500 k in expansion boxes and downloads) ... and 2.3 years of monthly subscriptions.
From an economical point of view SWG is more of a success than GW. Speaking ONLY about profits, no other aspects.
Have fun
Erillion
All the CU did was give nubs a chance.
Whats funny about that 1 million number is ; when i went and bought ROTW , I couldnt find it except in the TTE package . Anyone who bought the game in a store got swg , jtl and rotw... my guess is they added up all expansions and sales of the original game and got to 1 million .
Your guys numbers about total subscribers is just speculation . This game has about a 85% turnover rate . My personal guess is theres about 50,000 Active subscribers in this game , which is down from 120,000 pre cu .
For one thing , their servers only support 5000 players online at a time . 26 servers x 5000 players (which would translate to HEAVY LOADS ) 26x5000 = 130 ,000 total players . That is there server CAP.
Next , go make a new toon and take a look at the load status ... oh whats that? , all light load except 1 moderate ??? Light = 1-1000 players online , moderate = 1000-2500 online , heavy = 2500-5000 online .
Now since the server are up about 23 hrs a day , and the normal player only plays about avg 4 hrs , we take 1000 (light) and times it by 2 because chances are that number will flucuate with different players coming and going throughout the day.. server load is never above light on 25/26 servers , lets times the light number 1000 x 2 to get 2000 and times that by 25 servers = 50,000 players.
This is why i beleive there is only around 40k-60k players subscribed to that game... and even less players actualy in game playing it , more close to 30,000 at any given time throughout the day.
Any numbers SOE gives you is a complete fabrication .
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING... we have a winner!
Funny.. they had to add up the totals of the game and two of its expansions to top a mil.... when WoW did what, five times that?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I'm sure Lucasarts asks that at every meeting.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0