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Will there be a MMO that no one hates or atleast hate less?

TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088

If we go thrue some of the games like

WAR got flack due to bugs, not lore enough,bugs,dev didnt listen ect

Vanguard got flack due to bug fest galore.

AoC got flack for lying and incomplete endgame and as MMO standards are..bugs.

SWTOR got flack due to EA/Bioware crossfingers earning doug for an IP

GW2 getting flack due to as some says wow clone nothing new put to the table, or bland and shallow gaming.

There are always something someone or some will whine about and really do it hard and skip the rest of the features the game has to offer and just target that, usually with the same old arguments over and over and over.

I bet If a perfect MMO is created there wil be always someone who whine about something.

Is MMORPG.com a really healthy enviroment for talking about MMOs, or is it all about forum PvP that everyone has forgotten the next day?

 

 

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

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  • phantomghostphantomghost Member UncommonPosts: 738

    Probably not.

     

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

     

    This is why you see the same clones over and over, they are unwilling to change.  Where as us orginal MMO players at least tried their games, realized they suck, and now we want some good games to come out.  Any new game that seems decent, the new players hate because its not dumbed down to receiving rewards for any trivial task such as: taking a step, attacking, killing a mob, or right clicking an npc right next to the quest giver.


  • DraronDraron Member Posts: 993

    No. No game is perfect.


    Originally posted by phantomghost
    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.  
     

    Stereotyping? I play UO on and off, but always keep my subscription active to stop my house from falling. I enjoy the newer games too.

  • RaventreeRaventree Member Posts: 456
    I don't think Rift gets a lot of hate, although it does take some flack for being "generic."  There will never be a game without criticism because it is easy to criticize, but there may be some where it isn't as virulent.  Even the mighty juggernaut WoW gets tons of hate from just about anyone who plays the other MMOs.

    Currently playing:
    Rift
    Played:
    SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
    World of Warcraft, AoC

  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    Probably not.

     

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

     

    This is why you see the same clones over and over, they are unwilling to change.  Where as us orginal MMO players at least tried their games, realized they suck, and now we want some good games to come out.  Any new game that seems decent, the new players hate because its not dumbed down to receiving rewards for any trivial task such as: taking a step, attacking, killing a mob, or right clicking an npc right next to the quest giver.

    I think the new players will come around eventually out of boredom. However, I think companies are too lazy to make a real MMORPG anymore. The good devs are getting old and moving on. The new devs graduating from givemeadegree.com are from the "everyone is a winner generation" and never had an original thought or worked a day in their lives.

    Yep, the demand will increase but it will never come.

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  • RaventreeRaventree Member Posts: 456
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    Probably not.

     

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

     

    This is why you see the same clones over and over, they are unwilling to change.  Where as us orginal MMO players at least tried their games, realized they suck, and now we want some good games to come out.  Any new game that seems decent, the new players hate because its not dumbed down to receiving rewards for any trivial task such as: taking a step, attacking, killing a mob, or right clicking an npc right next to the quest giver.

    I don't know, Phantomghost, I have been playing video games since the Atari 2600 and MMOs since Everquest and I don't look back at the old days of endless grinding and frustrating death penalties fondly.  Like most people I wouldn't mind some innovation in MMOs, however.  I think the most impressive thing going on right now is EVE and the PS3 tie-in where ground battles are done on the console and take effect in the MMO space.

    Currently playing:
    Rift
    Played:
    SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
    World of Warcraft, AoC

  • OnomicOnomic Member Posts: 196

    Wont happen ever, we all like different games and only play games with specific features.

    Even older players want different things, its like asking if everyone enjoy the same hobby or eat the same desert. Never gonna happen.

    And its good, we dont want everyone to enjoy 1 mmorpg. It would be very very bad for the mmorpg genre.

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088
    Originally posted by Raventree
    I don't think Rift gets a lot of hate, although it does take some flack for being "generic."  There will never be a game without criticism because it is easy to criticize, but there may be some where it isn't as virulent.  Even the mighty juggernaut WoW gets tons of hate from just about anyone who plays the other MMOs.

     

    Yes even if I dont like RIFT , Trion have done a great job doing what RIFT suppose to be with a twist, TRion really listen to people and looking around for new features to use very much what Blizzard did back in 00.

    But sadly RIFT gameplay is somewhat obselet in my opinion, to much rails the fun stuff is at max level, I don't like that I want fun at lvl 1 and onward.

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • ComanComan Member UncommonPosts: 2,178
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

    Poeple wanna play good games. Does not matter when they started playing them and I am sure both the "original" player will join and the newer ones. 

  • fenistilfenistil Member Posts: 3,005
    Of course not.   Same as there will be no car noone hates, no tv noone hates, no tv series noone hates...
  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088
    Originally posted by Coman
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

    Poeple wanna play good games. Does not matter when they started playing them and I am sure both the "original" player will join and the newer ones. 

     

    Yes that is true, they like everything they do in a game giving them a pat in the back, good job sport.

     

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
    Certain games escape most of the hate by releasing under the radar and delivering a good product.  EVE and Rift may not be a lot of peoples cup of tea, but I don't really see a lot of bashing of them.
  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,387

    There is, it is called Myst Online :P

     

    Then again not much people play it either, but it is by far the most friendly community you will get in any game also lol

  • TorgrimTorgrim Member CommonPosts: 2,088
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

    There is, it is called Myst Online :P

     

    Then again not much people play it either, but it is by far the most friendly community you will get in any game also lol

     

    Does it have every features everyone asking for?

    If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,387
    Originally posted by Torgrim
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

    There is, it is called Myst Online :P

     

    Then again not much people play it either, but it is by far the most friendly community you will get in any game also lol

     

    Does it have every features everyone asking for?

    Nope it is not even a pvp game or raid bosses, and you don't kill anything in that game :P

     

    It is just a mmo puzzle solver rpg.

  • SiveriaSiveria Member UncommonPosts: 1,421
    Originally posted by phantomghost

    Probably not.

     

    The games us original players like are the complete opposite of what the newer players prefer.

     

    This is why you see the same clones over and over, they are unwilling to change.  Where as us orginal MMO players at least tried their games, realized they suck, and now we want some good games to come out.  Any new game that seems decent, the new players hate because its not dumbed down to receiving rewards for any trivial task such as: taking a step, attacking, killing a mob, or right clicking an npc right next to the quest giver.

    A change might be coming because all of these games for the "newer players" keep crashing and burning a couple months after release. Devs will start to relize that just copy and pasting wow into their game with a new shiny skin over it, is not going to cut it anymore. Even the newer mmo players are getting tired of them, if they weren't getting tired of them, then so many games that were sub based would not have gone f2p so fast. Bascally after the first sub month, however many players are left when it comes time to pay their 15 bucks a 2nd time will pretty much determine if the game was successful or not.

    Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

    A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

    or

    B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

    Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    No. Just like everything else in the world: People will always like or dislike MMOs.
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    I thought GW2 would be the least hated for some time to come. For all its good, I didn't envision how shallow the play experience would be overall. I'm not going to say there won't be another wildly successful mmo prior to trying a well developed sandpark or a well developed sandbox that has solid PvE.
  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175

    Really? Do you really have to ask this question... There is nothing in the entire universe that can please everyone at the same time, even if there was people would still hate it because everyone else liked it and they want to be different (see hipsters).

  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,387
    Originally posted by Mardukk
    I thought GW2 would be the least hated for some time to come.

    Actually GW2 is quite hated - because GW2 is hated on by WoWers and Swtorers combined lol :P

  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Yes, its the personal MMO in every MMO players private imagination, no one hates that game.

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Certain games escape most of the hate by releasing under the radar and delivering a good product.  EVE and Rift may not be a lot of peoples cup of tea, but I don't really see a lot of bashing of them.

     

    What SpreadsheetsInSpace™ and WoWClone.101™ shirley you've heard about those games?

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  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730
    Never going to happen, because not everyone likes the same type of game.  Players have different preferences when it comes to MMORPGs, some of them being mutually exclusive (EX: those that hate open world PvP, versus those who demand it).

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • tank017tank017 Member Posts: 2,192
    That's like accomplishing World peace, it'll never happen.
  • Psy410Psy410 Member Posts: 70
    Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG

    There is, it is called Myst Online :P

     

    Then again not much people play it either, but it is by far the most friendly community you will get in any game also lol

    I had the single player version of Uru: Ages Beyond Myst before it was released online and I think it was a very different kind of game, I liked it because I love exploration and puzzles, also the ambients of the game were very unique and interesting, if anyone would consider it a better kind of mmo, I would say, it was because it came from a different breed of games, it had its own thing going on, it was not trying to be better at delivering the same kind of experiences that many mmo players can't stand anymore.

    If every mmo game could be this unique, we wouldnt even be able to perceive this much hate, but instead there would be people asking for more of the same.

    I think maybe many mmorpg players have been insanely playing, many different versions of the same game, over and over again, and always hopping that the new release is definitely better than the last ones, but most of the times the differences are obviously so minimal, that if compared to the similarities we could say that many mmos are a rip-off and many of those rip-offs are worse games than what the original game was at its release, and I at least want something better than that even if it means that it has to be a completely new beast.

      

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  • Crazy_StickCrazy_Stick Member Posts: 1,059

    OP, you’ve basically written a complaint about the site forums being overly negative in your view and somehow unhealthy. If this is how you feel then why bother reading or posting here? Go hang out where you can be happy. These are just games rather than anything of real importance. You are doing exactly what you complain about. Whinning...

     

    PS: I don't say that to be mean.

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