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Mark Jacobs brought up "sandbox" in article about new game

corpusccorpusc Member UncommonPosts: 1,341
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM

in his comments yesterday on this massively article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/12/23/mark-jacobs-city-state-entertainment-releases-some-sort-of-teas/

 

now, before you direct anything personal at me with all kinds of assumptions on my stance

i believe all this themepark vs. sandbox debating is generally ridiculous.  

i don't see MMOs as fitting just one OR the other category.

 

just bringing it up cuz the majority of YOU guys seem to like debating the subject endlessly

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Comments

  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223
    The destroyer of Dark Age of Camelot needs to be banned from games, he should be banned from ever playing games too.

    In a world of sharp knives, you would be a spoon.

  • evemaster00evemaster00 Member Posts: 171
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    The destroyer of Dark Age of Camelot needs to be banned from games, he should be banned from ever playing games too.

    They should ban him from life too! Cos like, computer games are SERIOUS BUSINESS! Super serious!

  • PsiKahnPsiKahn Member Posts: 126

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

  • Jeff_PermadeathJeff_Permadeath Member Posts: 8
    Not much to go on.... but im glad he has a job and there is another sandbox in the pipe
  • Jeff_PermadeathJeff_Permadeath Member Posts: 8
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    Why is EA so mean lol

  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,115
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

  • Jester92Jester92 Member Posts: 156
    Because EA plans on killing ALL of its remaining titles with useless first day release DLC packs, and broken Free to Play models.

    J. B.

  • evemaster00evemaster00 Member Posts: 171
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

    He'll call it "darker age of camelot"

  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,212
    Originally posted by evemaster00
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

    He'll call it "darker age of camelot"

    Darker Ages of Camelot: The Darkening of the Dark Night of Darkness

    Sig so that badges don't eat my posts.


  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,115
    LOL love the new DAOC names.
  • deanobeano1deanobeano1 Member Posts: 3
    Would a daoc like game even work as sandbox? I see people griefing each other rather than "defending the realm".
  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by Jeff_Permadeath
    Not much to go on.... but im glad he has a job and there is another sandbox in the pipe

    Some people on this site wouldnt care if a sandbox game was developed by Hitler, Pot, Bundy, Gacy and Dhamer as long as they got their wish to play this illustrious sandbox model. Really wish some of these people who throw aroudn this fanboy moniker would take a serious look in the mirror.

     

    I'm sorry but lets keep Mark Jacobs entrenched in socail/minor gaming mediums.  I dont want this guy no where near an MMO.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by deanobeano1
    Would a daoc like game even work as sandbox? I see people griefing each other rather than "defending the realm".

    Sandbox games do not even work in sandbox games so of course it wouldnt work in the king of themeparks.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,115
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Jeff_Permadeath
    Not much to go on.... but im glad he has a job and there is another sandbox in the pipe

    Some people on this site wouldnt care if a sandbox game was developed by Hitler, Pot, Bundy, Gacy and Dhamer as long as they got their wish to play this illustrious sandbox model. Really wish some of these people who throw aroudn this fanboy moniker would take a serious look in the mirror.

     

    I'm sorry but lets keep Mark Jacobs entrenched in socail/minor gaming mediums.  I dont want this guy no where near an MMO.

    Honest question, what do you have against Mark Jacobs? I dislike that he brought out TOA and all that, but maybe I am missing something more?

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652
    all the hate here on mark jacobs when he is still the one who brought you dark age of camelot and created mythic. He made some mistakes and bad decisions , get over it seriously. He didnt kill DAOC either just because a few people here hated TOA. The population did not die by no means after TOA or catacombs or new frontiers. People here attack the guy when the blame should of went to rob denton and jeff hickman , yet you never see any hate to them because mark jacobs actually posted comments backing his team. If you really wnat more proof go look at who is leading the swtor dev team and look at just how well its doing.... there is your answer of game killers right there.
  • OgreRaperOgreRaper Member Posts: 376
    Say what you will about Mark Jacobs. Every dev makes mistakes. But the guy did make what I consider to be the best PvP MMO ever made, DAOC. I think that new project he's doing is going to be DAOC 2. Of course it will go by a different name though, since I think EA owns DAOC. I will be closely watching his new game, and I'm praying to the MMO gods that it is in fact DAOC 2.
  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,115
    Originally posted by cronius77
    all the hate here on mark jacobs when he is still the one who brought you dark age of camelot and created mythic. He made some mistakes and bad decisions , get over it seriously. He didnt kill DAOC either just because a few people here hated TOA. The population did not die by no means after TOA or catacombs or new frontiers. People here attack the guy when the blame should of went to rob denton and jeff hickman , yet you never see any hate to them because mark jacobs actually posted comments backing his team. If you really wnat more proof go look at who is leading the swtor dev team and look at just how well its doing.... there is your answer of game killers right there.

    Well thank you. 

    I do disagree on one thing though, and that is TOA. I found the population didn't drop RIGHT away, but eventually everyone I knew stopped playing once they figured out what TOA was all about. My opinion and experience, and I have no numbers to back it up at all. But that is what happened in my little corner of the DAOC world.

    Anyways, I won't hold it against him, people make mistakes. I think its great they took a risk. I'd rather see risks taken then things just staying stagnant. If he is looking to make another game in the same light as DAOC, then I am all for it and will keep an eye on it.

  • DauzqulDauzqul Member RarePosts: 1,982

    Too much sandbox sucks.

    Too much Theme Park sucks.

     

     

    I have an idea....   how about a SandPark?!?

  • PsiKahnPsiKahn Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

    You are correct.  I meant "Dark Age of Camelot."  Camelot more broadly is in the public domain.  That's not to say that if he were to hew too close to DAoC territory  EA wouldn't come out with lawyers ablazing anyway, but it'd be a tough suit to win.

  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,115
    Originally posted by PsiKahn
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

    You are correct.  I meant "Dark Age of Camelot."  Camelot more broadly is in the public domain.  That's not to say that if he were to hew too close to DAoC territory  EA wouldn't come out with lawyers ablazing anyway, but it'd be a tough suit to win.

    Ahh okay, my bad. 

  • redcappredcapp Member Posts: 722

    a) lol @ darker age of camelot

     

    b) mythic?  Okay, cool, I liked DAoC.  Then they turned it into a festering pile of shit.  Will remain skeptical, but curius. 

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by skeaser
    Originally posted by evemaster00
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by PsiKahn

    He had also been vaguely alluding to more expansive future projects in a recent Touch Arcade interview: http://toucharcade.com/2012/12/12/the-toucharcade-show-bonus-interview-with-mark-jacobs/

    It's mostly about City-State's iPhone game March on Oz, but he makes some remark about it being a stepping stone to bigger projects, so not surprised to see this.

    Don't care to get involved in a debate about which MMOs are best but it sounds like Jacobs would be looking to expand the genre a bit into new territory, which certainly makes the most sense for an independent developer.  And fair to say there's a lot of unexplored territory in MMO design.

    EA won't be parting with Camelot IP so curious what the IP of this would be.

    EA doesn't own the Camelot IP. No one does. He can make another game based on Camelot if he wants. 

    He'll call it "darker age of camelot"

    Darker Ages of Camelot: The Darkening of the Dark Night of Darkness

    The Edge of Camelot should make for some dramatic fun. :)

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by madazz
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Jeff_Permadeath
    Not much to go on.... but im glad he has a job and there is another sandbox in the pipe

    Some people on this site wouldnt care if a sandbox game was developed by Hitler, Pot, Bundy, Gacy and Dhamer as long as they got their wish to play this illustrious sandbox model. Really wish some of these people who throw aroudn this fanboy moniker would take a serious look in the mirror.

     

    I'm sorry but lets keep Mark Jacobs entrenched in socail/minor gaming mediums.  I dont want this guy no where near an MMO.

    Honest question, what do you have against Mark Jacobs? I dislike that he brought out TOA and all that, but maybe I am missing something more?

    Nothing but I detest most things people call sandbox.  Sandbox is just stupid.  here is the ultimate sandbox:

     

    image

     

    Thats about what it boils down to.  Absolutely no working systems in place to give any structure.  Life is a sandbox and the last thing I want to do with my free time is build something when I could enjoy the ride.  Like in real life places like 6-Flags, King's Island are infinetly more fun and enjoyable then going to the beach and building sandcastles.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

    image

  • StonesDKStonesDK Member UncommonPosts: 1,805
    Sandbox is just a marketing buzzword these days with all the different personal definitions people have, simply because they listen to industry leaders that just want to sell more copies.
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