Tablets might well kill off ultrabooks, since ultrabooks are already saddled with most of the drawbacks of tablets. Tablets are also thinner than ultrabooks, and being thin most of the point of an ultrabook. Tablets can also be a lot cheaper than ultrabooks, though people shopping for ultrabooks aren't price-sensitive.
Unless, of course, you want to argue that ultrabooks are already dead, which is reasonable enough. For gaming purposes, ultrabooks are sure a non-starter, so killing off ultrabook gaming should be easy enough.
But killing off normal laptops? No. Some people who get laptops care about performance, reliability, or input options, and tablets will never be able to compete there.
It's already happening. Most brick and mortar stores are cutting back on laptops and ordering more tablets.
As far as performance, reliability, and input options...
Input - Input options are being taken care of with docks and attachable keyboards. We won't even go into my tablets lol, lets look at the lowest end piece of tech I own. My Phone, the Motorola Photon 4G. I have a mouse and keyboard hooked up to my phone. I have my phone hooked up to a TV screen to use as a monitor with an HDMI cable. I still have 2 open USB slots. This is done with a dock. I can take my phone with me anywhere and turn it into a PC. While it's not a PC I simply use it as a touch screen mini tablet. If I need to do some serious typing I hook up my bluetooth keyboard.
So... no input isn't a limiting factor, I even have a controller I can use on my phone to play games on my TV.
Performance - What kind of performance are we talking about here? Are we talking about your average business that has already replaced laptops with tablets? Your average household that has mostly replaced laptops with tablets?
Yes, laptops will still have a place with 3D modelers and those that need a great deal more "power" than your average person, but that isn't what we are talking about. Your average laptop user is going to go tablet.
They are cheaper and perform the same function for these users. Not only is it going to replace laptops for these people, it mostly already has.
Gaming - Lets be serious here. Laptop gaming isn't about performance or power lol. It's about portability. Most simply look for good enough. This is going to be easily replaced by tablets.
If you have to carry around a mouse, keyboard, and television, then your "phone" is now far less portable than a laptop.
Given a choice between more performance and less performance, is there really anyone who would choose less performance without some compensating advantages? Given a choice between "will run any game that you want to play pretty well" and "will run some games smoothly, some choppily, and some not at all", you don't think there will be people interested in the former?
It's going to be many years before tablets offer performance that can keep pace with this:
And yet many people are willing to pay more than $85 for the processor and graphics added together in order to get higher performance yet. And that's just today. Do you think that future software will tend to require more performance than today's or less?
And I notice that while you quoted my comment about reliability, you never addressed it. In a tablet, if a single chip anywhere inside the entire machine has problems, the entire tablet is shot and you have to replace the whole thing outright. In a laptop, that may be the case, but some parts are replaceable. In a desktop, everything is replaceable. If a memory chip goes bad, do you want the fix to be a new $20 memory module or a new $500 tablet?
To put it in a different context, how many people would buy a car that was completely impossible to repair, so that the first time it needed maintenance it meant that the car was totaled? Even if the car was otherwise very nice, that's a huge strike against it--and it's something that tablets are stuck with due to the form factor.
I don't carry around a mouse, keyboard, and television. As I specifically stated the only thing I carry around with the phone is a bluetooth keyboard. I can connect my phone to any TV with an HDMI port, the dock I could carry with me if I wanted but it simply makes more since to have one dock at the office and one at home.
And what is a laptop? For most it is a device that can run some games smooth, some choppy and others not at all. You can invest into a high performance laptop, but it's usually in need of replacement soon after because it struggles with newer games if it can play them at all.
And I am glad you linked to the Llano because AMD is going to be the ones that likely put Laptops out into the cold. They have jumped into the tablet game with chips like the Z 60 series and have plans to make a hard push for Tablet APU's.
Windows is pushing hard for tablets as well. They are advertising everywhere that they are a desktop and tablet OS. Windows is the one actually making the big push for gaming tablets and it looks as if they are going to or already have partenered with AMD to do so.
Now, reliability...
I apologize for unintentionally skipping over this. My intent was to actually ask you how laptops are more reliable. I personally don't see how a Laptop is anymore reliable than a tablet. They are both something that your average user can't repair, they are both something easily broken if dropped unless you spend the extra cash for higher end ones that are meant to be extra durrable. They both have the same issues and usually break in the same way. Most common issue with either is the DC jack.
As it stands now...
If you want performance then you go with a pc.
Laptops, regardless of the laptop, is simply about portibility which is covered in spades by tablets.
And you also have to keep in mind that laptops have already all but lost this. Check around and look at the sales figures. They are going to be custom order only items in the near future. Hardly anyone carries them anymore. Tablets have already taken over in most stores because that is what consumers are buying.
Good game companies and ass hat investors will make big steaming piles of "appeal to everyone" games that "grown up on gaming" folks like us will avoid. Or shun. Or whatever.
Then there's still companies like RockStar around that know how to make good, mature, innovative, expanded gaming.
No matter the system, no matter the specs, really it all boils down to gameplay and the developers knowing their audience.
Core gamers will still get their gaming fix I'm sure. It'll just be harder to notice.
That's what I'm saying. Tablet usage should make open gl more attractive, which means easier Linux / MAC ports.
If you check out the Linux section or MAC section on steam you will se a lot of iPad / android ports, along with games from devs that have traditionally made both Windows and MAC / Linux versions like valve, croteam, id etc..
If you make your game to run on both windows and Ios its a lot easier to port it to Linux than if you made a pure windows game.
Now the new xbox will no doubt be Windows based.
But I wouldn't be suprised if the new playstation didn't run some version of Linux.
There's also the steambox coming out that will be Linux.
Then what if Apple make a console. It Google team up with someone to make a Android console or a tv with Android integration.
Microsoft could find themselves the odd man out. Especially as they don't make their own games anymore.
Only if they improve the hardware specs and actually give some real decent games on it then maybe, but hell we only have to look at the laptop to figure out where it would go, no where really. Face it, nothing outshines the PC no matter what hardware you cram into it cus that comptact space just can't handle it, it will take them over a decade or more to actually improve on it and the PC will still improve by that point.
Originally posted by Urvan Only if they improve the hardware specs and actually give some real decent games on it then maybe, but hell we only have to look at the laptop to figure out where it would go, no where really. Face it, nothing outshines the PC no matter what hardware you cram into it cus that comptact space just can't handle it, it will take them over a decade or more to actually improve on it and the PC will still improve by that point.
what I'm looking forward to is the combination of the tablets and PC's. Thats where we are heading in reality. With better networking we are going to end up hopefully in a position where your tablet eventually is just an extension of your desktop. Think Wii U remote as an example of what I mean or the Splashtop app.
The tablet should become a new peripherial with added functionality replacing PC controllers (Not keyboard and mouse). Remotely access your PC anywhere with a tablet so that you are essentially carrying all that processing power with you wherever you go.
Imagine playing call of duty or an MMORPG or anything really on PC with the tablet sitting just below your screen displaying the mini map and inventory. Think about the what you could do with games like Star Craft with a tie in between tablet and PC.
Racing games showing on your PC while you steer with your tablet that is displaying speedometers and such.
Games able to go full minimalist UI's due to most of it being represented on the tablet instead of the main screen.
Many companies are going full streaming games or are looking into the idea. Tablets shine here as well because you simply don't need the processing power for streaming gaming.
A new generation of technology and mobile devices/ gaming have entered us into a new era of tablets. These new devices are soon to outdate, and make obsolete, the desktops we currently use and most likely laptops. Why purchase a bulky, immobile machine with no more capability than the future tablets to come, which have an absolute potential to become just as capable as any PC now.
The console gamers are probably going to be the only group to fear the coming of the tablet era. Well, i say, have no fear. My prediction formed by my crude knowledge of tablet capability and my understanding that the developers can accomplish what seems completely possible by my standards, is that the tablets will either come euipped or come with the capability of an attachment keyboard and mouse, and will be made to welcome home any pc gamers with the need of a keyboard or mouse. We've already seen an addon keyboard with a new tablet model (who' s name i cannot remember) and any tablet capable of strong internet connection and adequate graphics capabilities should have no less than a comfortable setting for the common PC gamer.
Not that I' ve feared, but i have often wondered in what direction the tablets will turn when they become as powerful as people want. I am optimistic it will be a good experience powering up some WoW, Asherons Call, or even Darkfall on a tablet.That day will be an interesting and enjoyable day.
Can you remember on the Notebook hype and the temporary fashion ? Probably the same with tablet pc´s....something what you actually dont need, you can only consume with it and not beeing productive like on a pc.
I apologize for unintentionally skipping over this. My intent was to actually ask you how laptops are more reliable. I personally don't see how a Laptop is anymore reliable than a tablet. They are both something that your average user can't repair, they are both something easily broken if dropped unless you spend the extra cash for higher end ones that are meant to be extra durrable. They both have the same issues and usually break in the same way. Most common issue with either is the DC jack.
As it stands now...
If you want performance then you go with a pc.
Laptops, regardless of the laptop, is simply about portibility which is covered in spades by tablets.
And you also have to keep in mind that laptops have already all but lost this. Check around and look at the sales figures. They are going to be custom order only items in the near future. Hardly anyone carries them anymore. Tablets have already taken over in most stores because that is what consumers are buying.
A larger form factor means that you can safely dissipate more heat. Dissipating 35 W in a laptop is pretty trivial to do. You can make a tablet that puts out about 2 W and doesn't have heat problems, but as soon as you try to scale up performance, you're going to run into heat problems far sooner than you will in a laptop.
And if something goes wrong, as I said, in a tablet, it's impossible to repair. That's sometimes the case with laptops, too, but memory and hard drives--not coincidentally, the things that are most likely to break--are replaceable in most laptops. That's not so in tablets.
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You're assuming that people who need portability don't care about performance in the slightest. If that's so, then why do any laptops other than Atom-based netbooks even exist?
That's what I'm saying. Tablet usage should make open gl more attractive, which means easier Linux / MAC ports.
If you check out the Linux section or MAC section on steam you will se a lot of iPad / android ports, along with games from devs that have traditionally made both Windows and MAC / Linux versions like valve, croteam, id etc..
If you make your game to run on both windows and Ios its a lot easier to port it to Linux than if you made a pure windows game.
Now the new xbox will no doubt be Windows based.
But I wouldn't be suprised if the new playstation didn't run some version of Linux.
There's also the steambox coming out that will be Linux.
Then what if Apple make a console. It Google team up with someone to make a Android console or a tv with Android integration.
Microsoft could find themselves the odd man out. Especially as they don't make their own games anymore.
In the future, maybe. But not yet. Right now, the only tablets that support OpenGL are some x86 ones that also support DirectX. Rather, tablets use OpenGL ES, which is a subset of OpenGL. Hardware that supports OpenGL automatically supports OpenGL ES, but the other way around is not true. Hoping that OpenGL ES tablets will lead to wider OpenGL adoption is like hoping that DirectX 9.0c video cards will lead to DirectX 11 adoption.
The latest OpenGL ES 3.0 that launched earlier this year is only roughly equivalent to DirectX 9.0c, and doesn't even offer geometry shaders. The OpenGL ES 2.0 that is the best that most tablets can handle is much older yet.
But that's changing. At least some variants of Nvidia Tegra 4 and PowerVR Rogue graphics will support OpenGL 4. I'm not sure if they'll go all the way to 4.3 or stop at 4.0. AMD Temash will be AMD's first proper tablet chip (as opposed to cramming a laptop chip into a tablet), and that will support the full OpenGL 4.3, in addition to DirectX 11.1.
Unfortunately, some of even the new generation of graphics hardware doesn't support OpenGL at all, including the latest Qualcomm Adreno and ARM Mali graphics. Intel Ivy Bridge graphics don't even support OpenGL 4.0, and Haswell will only support OpenGL 4.0 and nothing later, so I'm not optimistic about the graphics that Intel will pack with Silvermont Atom.
Also, even if Apple uses hardware that supports the latest APIs (as they likely will, as they've used PowerVR for current iDevices), it's not automatic that they'll create video drivers to support it. They sure haven't for Mac OS X, where the last few generations have hardware that supports OpenGL 4.2 or later on Windows and Linux, but only OpenGL 3.2 on Mac.
Will game developers be willing to make games that use modern graphics if it means the game won't run on any tablet on the market today save some low-volume AMD ones, and won't run on a large fraction of next generation tablets, either? And will they be willing to shun even Apple if Apple doesn't get their act together on drivers? I'd like to see it, but I'm not optimistic.
I'd like to see a big marketing flap over new graphics hardware not supporting modern APIs, to try to convince consumers that care about gaming on a tablet that they should make shun the new models that don't support OpenGL at all. But that probably won't happen.
It's hard to explain that API support is actually more important in tablets than desktops, as newer APIs mean more ways to offload work from the CPU to the GPU. That means huge gains in energy efficiency, and that's a very big deal in tablets that don't have much power to work with. In desktops, you can often use an old API like DirectX 9.0c and just throw a bunch of hardware at it to get the effects you want in a dumb, brute force manner, but tablets don't have much hardware to throw at a problem.
Now, we'll probably get there eventually. But it could easily be years away.
Is there a way to like use my Ipad as a controller for gw2? I am no tech guy, so I do not know lol.
And about tablet gaming, at the moment no. Maybe in the future when tablets have the capability to run it, I would love to use touch screen gaming rather than mouse and click.
You're joking right? Saying that my iPad (4th gen) and my nexus 7 could compare to my PC is nothing short of delusions of grandeur...
I have my tablets for different reasons but they won't be able to compare to my desktop gaming experience with my 30" monitor. I mean, they're awesome for Internet browsing, gaming on the can and for when my wife drags me to her parents.... But other then that... No. Just... No.
You're joking right? Saying that my iPad (4th gen) and my nexus 7 could compare to my PC is nothing short of delusions of grandeur...
I have my tablets for different reasons but they won't be able to compare to my desktop gaming experience with my 30" monitor. I mean, they're awesome for Internet browsing, gaming on the can and for when my wife drags me to her parents.... But other then that... No. Just... No.
if you are talking to me I never said any of these things. I just called you delusional, and perhaps a little bipolar. Seriously though, both of those, thought I had better remind you incase Jeff forgot.
Is there a way to like use my Ipad as a controller for gw2? I am no tech guy, so I do not know lol.
I have apps for my Nexus tablet that make it function as a remote control for things like XBMC+Windows Media center so i imagine there is probably one that emulates a controller for it, although i imagine it would be more awkward to use than a proper one or kb+mouse.
until they can actually make a sleak tablet that can control heating and ventilation you will not see anything more than trivial flash and java games on tablets. Even laptops nowadays are barely there and still have issues with heat. People gotta realize that heat is the controlling factor in what games can be produced and for what devices. Until there is a way to control heat on mobiles and tablets you will not see any tech jumps much other than some processor speeds which right now are atrocious at best right now anyways. Hell just go look up the new netbooks and the highest you are getting in them is I5s and AMD a8s with no graphics processors and they are not even true tablets , they just have touchscreens. I love mobility especially in gaming , but man you wont be seeing anything special for at least the next 10 or more years im willing to bet.
Originally posted by cronius77 until they can actually make a sleak tablet that can control heating and ventilation you will not see anything more than trivial flash and java games on tablets. Even laptops nowadays are barely there and still have issues with heat. People gotta realize that heat is the controlling factor in what games can be produced and for what devices. Until there is a way to control heat on mobiles and tablets you will not see any tech jumps much other than some processor speeds which right now are atrocious at best right now anyways. Hell just go look up the new netbooks and the highest you are getting in them is I5s and AMD a8s with no graphics processors and they are not even true tablets , they just have touchscreens. I love mobility especially in gaming , but man you wont be seeing anything special for at least the next 10 or more years im willing to bet.
what? This is my job, just no chance, a/c and ventilation has a life cycle of 20 years, and tablets 2 years. You are in fantasy land.
Is there a way to like use my Ipad as a controller for gw2? I am no tech guy, so I do not know lol.
And about tablet gaming, at the moment no. Maybe in the future when tablets have the capability to run it, I would love to use touch screen gaming rather than mouse and click.
Yes, you can use your ipad as a control for GW2 lol!
I apologize for unintentionally skipping over this. My intent was to actually ask you how laptops are more reliable. I personally don't see how a Laptop is anymore reliable than a tablet. They are both something that your average user can't repair, they are both something easily broken if dropped unless you spend the extra cash for higher end ones that are meant to be extra durrable. They both have the same issues and usually break in the same way. Most common issue with either is the DC jack.
As it stands now...
If you want performance then you go with a pc.
Laptops, regardless of the laptop, is simply about portibility which is covered in spades by tablets.
And you also have to keep in mind that laptops have already all but lost this. Check around and look at the sales figures. They are going to be custom order only items in the near future. Hardly anyone carries them anymore. Tablets have already taken over in most stores because that is what consumers are buying.
A larger form factor means that you can safely dissipate more heat. Dissipating 35 W in a laptop is pretty trivial to do. You can make a tablet that puts out about 2 W and doesn't have heat problems, but as soon as you try to scale up performance, you're going to run into heat problems far sooner than you will in a laptop.
And if something goes wrong, as I said, in a tablet, it's impossible to repair. That's sometimes the case with laptops, too, but memory and hard drives--not coincidentally, the things that are most likely to break--are replaceable in most laptops. That's not so in tablets.
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You're assuming that people who need portability don't care about performance in the slightest. If that's so, then why do any laptops other than Atom-based netbooks even exist?
Tablets are not impossible to repair lol. I build and repair tablets, tons of others manage to repair tablets as well. If you can't thats fine, but don't try and pass it off as some impossible thing lol.
Heat can be an issue, but as I've stated with advances in cloud computing and considering most major comapnies are actively investing in and helpind advance cloud based computing performance is going to be less of a concern.
As it stands right now, laptops are in a decline lol. This isn't an debatable fact. Tablets sales are up. Business sector is about 50/50 with tablet/smart phone vs. laptop. The consumer market is already being dominated by tablets.
This isn't really a debate worthy issue lol. If you'd like to discuss how or why fine, but arguing against tablets replacing laptops means you are simply refusing to see whats already happening lol.
I apologize for unintentionally skipping over this. My intent was to actually ask you how laptops are more reliable. I personally don't see how a Laptop is anymore reliable than a tablet. They are both something that your average user can't repair, they are both something easily broken if dropped unless you spend the extra cash for higher end ones that are meant to be extra durrable. They both have the same issues and usually break in the same way. Most common issue with either is the DC jack.
As it stands now...
If you want performance then you go with a pc.
Laptops, regardless of the laptop, is simply about portibility which is covered in spades by tablets.
And you also have to keep in mind that laptops have already all but lost this. Check around and look at the sales figures. They are going to be custom order only items in the near future. Hardly anyone carries them anymore. Tablets have already taken over in most stores because that is what consumers are buying.
A larger form factor means that you can safely dissipate more heat. Dissipating 35 W in a laptop is pretty trivial to do. You can make a tablet that puts out about 2 W and doesn't have heat problems, but as soon as you try to scale up performance, you're going to run into heat problems far sooner than you will in a laptop.
And if something goes wrong, as I said, in a tablet, it's impossible to repair. That's sometimes the case with laptops, too, but memory and hard drives--not coincidentally, the things that are most likely to break--are replaceable in most laptops. That's not so in tablets.
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You're assuming that people who need portability don't care about performance in the slightest. If that's so, then why do any laptops other than Atom-based netbooks even exist?
Tablets are not impossible to repair lol. I build and repair tablets, tons of others manage to repair tablets as well. If you can't thats fine, but don't try and pass it off as some impossible thing lol.
Heat can be an issue, but as I've stated with advances in cloud computing and considering most major comapnies are actively investing in and helpind advance cloud based computing performance is going to be less of a concern.
As it stands right now, laptops are in a decline lol. This isn't an debatable fact. Tablets sales are up. Business sector is about 50/50 with tablet/smart phone vs. laptop. The consumer market is already being dominated by tablets.
This isn't really a debate worthy issue lol. If you'd like to discuss how or why fine, but arguing against tablets replacing laptops means you are simply refusing to see whats already happening lol.
I think Gray watched the Olympics and thought, I want a medal of my own, how about a broken iPad? There are a lot of those. Seriously though, can your iPad run anything like your holier-than-thou Gates lap top. Well can it?
I guess I'm in the minority. The more RPG/MMO games that come out for the iPad, the more I've been playing them instead of firing up my desktop. I like the mobilty and not having to sit at my desk or lug around a heavy gaming laptop.
In fact, I do most of my computing on an iPad these days. I rarely even use my Mac mini, MacBook Pro, or my PC.
As the technology gets better, I can see some pretty amazing graphics coming our way. Hell, the technology is already here. Just look at Modern Combat 4, Infinity Blade II, or Raven's Sword 2. Epic Citadel running the Unreal engine on an iPad retina display, in beautiful 2048x1536 is amazing. The A6X chip is a fully-integrated dual-core CPU and a quad-core GPU. It's fast. Intel could take a lesson from Samsung on how to build a proper integrated chip.
I really do think it's the future. That's fine by me.
I guess I'm in the minority. The more RPG/MMO games that come out for the iPad, the more I've been playing them instead of firing up my desktop. I like the mobilty and not having to sit at my desk or lug around a heavy gaming laptop.
In fact, I do most of my computing on an iPad these days. I rarely even use my Mac mini, MacBook Pro, or my PC.
As the technology gets better, I can see some pretty amazing graphics coming our way. Hell, the technology is already here. Just look at Modern Combat 4, Infinity Blade II, or Raven's Sword 2. Epic Citadel running the Unreal engine on an iPad retina display, in beautiful 2048x1536 is amazing. The A6X chip is a fully-integrated dual-core CPU and a quad-core GPU. It's fast. Intel could take a lesson from Samsung on how to build a proper integrated chip.
I really do think it's the future. That's fine by me.
Try out typing me on a report on my laptop. Infact thats a date, maybe we could have a drink first and some tapas?
I guess I'm in the minority. The more RPG/MMO games that come out for the iPad, the more I've been playing them instead of firing up my desktop. I like the mobilty and not having to sit at my desk or lug around a heavy gaming laptop.
In fact, I do most of my computing on an iPad these days. I rarely even use my Mac mini, MacBook Pro, or my PC.
As the technology gets better, I can see some pretty amazing graphics coming our way. Hell, the technology is already here. Just look at Modern Combat 4, Infinity Blade II, or Raven's Sword 2. Epic Citadel running the Unreal engine on an iPad retina display, in beautiful 2048x1536 is amazing. The A6X chip is a fully-integrated dual-core CPU and a quad-core GPU. It's fast. Intel could take a lesson from Samsung on how to build a proper integrated chip.
I really do think it's the future. That's fine by me.
Try out typing me on a report on my laptop. Infact thats a date, maybe we could have a drink first and some tapas?
Not hard, considering my iPad cover has a Bluetooth keyboard built in. I'm a writer by profession and I use my iPad daily to compose articles, letters, and manuscripts. You can keep your bulky laptop.
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I don't carry around a mouse, keyboard, and television. As I specifically stated the only thing I carry around with the phone is a bluetooth keyboard. I can connect my phone to any TV with an HDMI port, the dock I could carry with me if I wanted but it simply makes more since to have one dock at the office and one at home.
And what is a laptop? For most it is a device that can run some games smooth, some choppy and others not at all. You can invest into a high performance laptop, but it's usually in need of replacement soon after because it struggles with newer games if it can play them at all.
And I am glad you linked to the Llano because AMD is going to be the ones that likely put Laptops out into the cold. They have jumped into the tablet game with chips like the Z 60 series and have plans to make a hard push for Tablet APU's.
Windows is pushing hard for tablets as well. They are advertising everywhere that they are a desktop and tablet OS. Windows is the one actually making the big push for gaming tablets and it looks as if they are going to or already have partenered with AMD to do so.
Now, reliability...
I apologize for unintentionally skipping over this. My intent was to actually ask you how laptops are more reliable. I personally don't see how a Laptop is anymore reliable than a tablet. They are both something that your average user can't repair, they are both something easily broken if dropped unless you spend the extra cash for higher end ones that are meant to be extra durrable. They both have the same issues and usually break in the same way. Most common issue with either is the DC jack.
As it stands now...
If you want performance then you go with a pc.
Laptops, regardless of the laptop, is simply about portibility which is covered in spades by tablets.
And you also have to keep in mind that laptops have already all but lost this. Check around and look at the sales figures. They are going to be custom order only items in the near future. Hardly anyone carries them anymore. Tablets have already taken over in most stores because that is what consumers are buying.
Good game companies and ass hat investors will make big steaming piles of "appeal to everyone" games that "grown up on gaming" folks like us will avoid. Or shun. Or whatever.
Then there's still companies like RockStar around that know how to make good, mature, innovative, expanded gaming.
No matter the system, no matter the specs, really it all boils down to gameplay and the developers knowing their audience.
Core gamers will still get their gaming fix I'm sure. It'll just be harder to notice.
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That's what I'm saying. Tablet usage should make open gl more attractive, which means easier Linux / MAC ports.
If you check out the Linux section or MAC section on steam you will se a lot of iPad / android ports, along with games from devs that have traditionally made both Windows and MAC / Linux versions like valve, croteam, id etc..
If you make your game to run on both windows and Ios its a lot easier to port it to Linux than if you made a pure windows game.
Now the new xbox will no doubt be Windows based.
But I wouldn't be suprised if the new playstation didn't run some version of Linux.
There's also the steambox coming out that will be Linux.
Then what if Apple make a console. It Google team up with someone to make a Android console or a tv with Android integration.
Microsoft could find themselves the odd man out. Especially as they don't make their own games anymore.
I believe this will replace PC and console.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_VKRuhPKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGqzyviV4eg
You can upgrade the lap top size hardware at the back of the TV.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
lol, this will simply go the way of webtv and google tv lol. The only threat this poses is to the consumer that buys it.
You are much better off buying a media center pc, laptop or tablet and hooking it up to the TV than buying something like that lol.
what I'm looking forward to is the combination of the tablets and PC's. Thats where we are heading in reality. With better networking we are going to end up hopefully in a position where your tablet eventually is just an extension of your desktop. Think Wii U remote as an example of what I mean or the Splashtop app.
The tablet should become a new peripherial with added functionality replacing PC controllers (Not keyboard and mouse). Remotely access your PC anywhere with a tablet so that you are essentially carrying all that processing power with you wherever you go.
Imagine playing call of duty or an MMORPG or anything really on PC with the tablet sitting just below your screen displaying the mini map and inventory. Think about the what you could do with games like Star Craft with a tie in between tablet and PC.
Racing games showing on your PC while you steer with your tablet that is displaying speedometers and such.
Games able to go full minimalist UI's due to most of it being represented on the tablet instead of the main screen.
Many companies are going full streaming games or are looking into the idea. Tablets shine here as well because you simply don't need the processing power for streaming gaming.
Look at Onlive
http://www.onlive.com/
They are already streaming console games on tablets.
They even do a really well done Desktop to Tablet cloud based computing setup.
Can you remember on the Notebook hype and the temporary fashion ? Probably the same with tablet pc´s....something what you actually dont need, you can only consume with it and not beeing productive like on a pc.
A larger form factor means that you can safely dissipate more heat. Dissipating 35 W in a laptop is pretty trivial to do. You can make a tablet that puts out about 2 W and doesn't have heat problems, but as soon as you try to scale up performance, you're going to run into heat problems far sooner than you will in a laptop.
And if something goes wrong, as I said, in a tablet, it's impossible to repair. That's sometimes the case with laptops, too, but memory and hard drives--not coincidentally, the things that are most likely to break--are replaceable in most laptops. That's not so in tablets.
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You're assuming that people who need portability don't care about performance in the slightest. If that's so, then why do any laptops other than Atom-based netbooks even exist?
In the future, maybe. But not yet. Right now, the only tablets that support OpenGL are some x86 ones that also support DirectX. Rather, tablets use OpenGL ES, which is a subset of OpenGL. Hardware that supports OpenGL automatically supports OpenGL ES, but the other way around is not true. Hoping that OpenGL ES tablets will lead to wider OpenGL adoption is like hoping that DirectX 9.0c video cards will lead to DirectX 11 adoption.
The latest OpenGL ES 3.0 that launched earlier this year is only roughly equivalent to DirectX 9.0c, and doesn't even offer geometry shaders. The OpenGL ES 2.0 that is the best that most tablets can handle is much older yet.
But that's changing. At least some variants of Nvidia Tegra 4 and PowerVR Rogue graphics will support OpenGL 4. I'm not sure if they'll go all the way to 4.3 or stop at 4.0. AMD Temash will be AMD's first proper tablet chip (as opposed to cramming a laptop chip into a tablet), and that will support the full OpenGL 4.3, in addition to DirectX 11.1.
Unfortunately, some of even the new generation of graphics hardware doesn't support OpenGL at all, including the latest Qualcomm Adreno and ARM Mali graphics. Intel Ivy Bridge graphics don't even support OpenGL 4.0, and Haswell will only support OpenGL 4.0 and nothing later, so I'm not optimistic about the graphics that Intel will pack with Silvermont Atom.
Also, even if Apple uses hardware that supports the latest APIs (as they likely will, as they've used PowerVR for current iDevices), it's not automatic that they'll create video drivers to support it. They sure haven't for Mac OS X, where the last few generations have hardware that supports OpenGL 4.2 or later on Windows and Linux, but only OpenGL 3.2 on Mac.
Will game developers be willing to make games that use modern graphics if it means the game won't run on any tablet on the market today save some low-volume AMD ones, and won't run on a large fraction of next generation tablets, either? And will they be willing to shun even Apple if Apple doesn't get their act together on drivers? I'd like to see it, but I'm not optimistic.
I'd like to see a big marketing flap over new graphics hardware not supporting modern APIs, to try to convince consumers that care about gaming on a tablet that they should make shun the new models that don't support OpenGL at all. But that probably won't happen.
It's hard to explain that API support is actually more important in tablets than desktops, as newer APIs mean more ways to offload work from the CPU to the GPU. That means huge gains in energy efficiency, and that's a very big deal in tablets that don't have much power to work with. In desktops, you can often use an old API like DirectX 9.0c and just throw a bunch of hardware at it to get the effects you want in a dumb, brute force manner, but tablets don't have much hardware to throw at a problem.
Now, we'll probably get there eventually. But it could easily be years away.
Is there a way to like use my Ipad as a controller for gw2? I am no tech guy, so I do not know lol.
And about tablet gaming, at the moment no. Maybe in the future when tablets have the capability to run it, I would love to use touch screen gaming rather than mouse and click.
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You're joking right? Saying that my iPad (4th gen) and my nexus 7 could compare to my PC is nothing short of delusions of grandeur...
I have my tablets for different reasons but they won't be able to compare to my desktop gaming experience with my 30" monitor. I mean, they're awesome for Internet browsing, gaming on the can and for when my wife drags me to her parents.... But other then that... No. Just... No.
if you are talking to me I never said any of these things. I just called you delusional, and perhaps a little bipolar. Seriously though, both of those, thought I had better remind you incase Jeff forgot.
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I have apps for my Nexus tablet that make it function as a remote control for things like XBMC+Windows Media center so i imagine there is probably one that emulates a controller for it, although i imagine it would be more awkward to use than a proper one or kb+mouse.
what? This is my job, just no chance, a/c and ventilation has a life cycle of 20 years, and tablets 2 years. You are in fantasy land.
Sorry, kneejerk, ignore me.
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Yes, you can use your ipad as a control for GW2 lol!
http://guildwars2.mmmos.com/?page=view&id=2217
Not overly certain of how it will perform on your specific Ipad, but using an Acer Iconia A200 it has worked out pretty good.
Tablets are not impossible to repair lol. I build and repair tablets, tons of others manage to repair tablets as well. If you can't thats fine, but don't try and pass it off as some impossible thing lol.
Heat can be an issue, but as I've stated with advances in cloud computing and considering most major comapnies are actively investing in and helpind advance cloud based computing performance is going to be less of a concern.
As it stands right now, laptops are in a decline lol. This isn't an debatable fact. Tablets sales are up. Business sector is about 50/50 with tablet/smart phone vs. laptop. The consumer market is already being dominated by tablets.
This isn't really a debate worthy issue lol. If you'd like to discuss how or why fine, but arguing against tablets replacing laptops means you are simply refusing to see whats already happening lol.
this..all it is ..is an over sized cell phone and touch screen cell phones have been around for awhile now..so no..not at all
I think Gray watched the Olympics and thought, I want a medal of my own, how about a broken iPad? There are a lot of those. Seriously though, can your iPad run anything like your holier-than-thou Gates lap top. Well can it?
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I guess I'm in the minority. The more RPG/MMO games that come out for the iPad, the more I've been playing them instead of firing up my desktop. I like the mobilty and not having to sit at my desk or lug around a heavy gaming laptop.
In fact, I do most of my computing on an iPad these days. I rarely even use my Mac mini, MacBook Pro, or my PC.
As the technology gets better, I can see some pretty amazing graphics coming our way. Hell, the technology is already here. Just look at Modern Combat 4, Infinity Blade II, or Raven's Sword 2. Epic Citadel running the Unreal engine on an iPad retina display, in beautiful 2048x1536 is amazing. The A6X chip is a fully-integrated dual-core CPU and a quad-core GPU. It's fast. Intel could take a lesson from Samsung on how to build a proper integrated chip.
I really do think it's the future. That's fine by me.
Try out typing me on a report on my laptop. Infact thats a date, maybe we could have a drink first and some tapas?
I am joking btw
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Not hard, considering my iPad cover has a Bluetooth keyboard built in. I'm a writer by profession and I use my iPad daily to compose articles, letters, and manuscripts. You can keep your bulky laptop.
Yes, I know you're joking.