Originally posted by ice-vortex I can't believe people would pledge on a game that is going to charge you a monthly fee for beta. I wonder how many who pledged have read that part.
There is no wipe during early enrollment (beta). So you say paying for beta? I say paying to develope the game world and start developing your charactor.
No wipe = Same as any mmo release.
Crowdforgers just happen to get in early to set the stage for the final release.
It doesn't matter if they let you keep your character or not. At best it is beta. In the regards that is a feature incomplete game, it is actually an alpha.
Funny you say that because of ever mmo i bought in the past 6 years or so felt like i was in beta anyways... So whats the difference between PFO and any other AAA title that released?
Hell SWTOR is still in beta lol...
All MMO's ever created have been in beta from the moment they release.
So your reasoning is that Bioware does it makes it okay for this? If an extra $1 million can speed this development up by a year, we are talking an extremely small development budget. These small underfunded games already have an issue with being released buggy and lacking features (see Darkfall and Mortal Online). This is why sandbox has become synonymous with featureless. In terms of features available, SWTOR at least had far more than every sandbox game ever released since SWG.
Originally posted by ice-vortex I can't believe people would pledge on a game that is going to charge you a monthly fee for beta. I wonder how many who pledged have read that part.
There is no wipe during early enrollment (beta). So you say paying for beta? I say paying to develope the game world and start developing your charactor.
No wipe = Same as any mmo release.
Crowdforgers just happen to get in early to set the stage for the final release.
It doesn't matter if they let you keep your character or not. At best it is beta. In the regards that is a feature incomplete game, it is actually an alpha.
Funny you say that because of ever mmo i bought in the past 6 years or so felt like i was in beta anyways... So whats the difference between PFO and any other AAA title that released?
Hell SWTOR is still in beta lol...
All MMO's ever created have been in beta from the moment they release.
So your reasoning is that Bioware does it makes it okay for this? If an extra $1 million can speed this development up by a year, we are talking an extremely small development budget. These small underfunded games already have an issue with being released buggy and lacking features (see Darkfall and Mortal Online). This is why sandbox has become synonomous with featureless. In terms of features available, SWTOR at least had far more than every sandbox game ever released since SWG.
Well we can both spin this anyway we want, i understand what your saying... But...
The fact remains ever MMO released including future games will be in a state of beta. I haven't experienced a mmo released to date ( iv'e been playing mmo's since 98') that didn't release in a beta stage.
So call it what you want... I see it as early access to establish the community before they release it to the F2P market and thats exactly how Ryan and Goblinworks has explained it.
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
Originally posted by ice-vortex I can't believe people would pledge on a game that is going to charge you a monthly fee for beta. I wonder how many who pledged have read that part.
There is no wipe during early enrollment (beta). So you say paying for beta? I say paying to develope the game world and start developing your charactor.
No wipe = Same as any mmo release.
Crowdforgers just happen to get in early to set the stage for the final release.
It doesn't matter if they let you keep your character or not. At best it is beta. In the regards that is a feature incomplete game, it is actually an alpha.
Funny you say that because of ever mmo i bought in the past 6 years or so felt like i was in beta anyways... So whats the difference between PFO and any other AAA title that released?
Hell SWTOR is still in beta lol...
All MMO's ever created have been in beta from the moment they release.
So your reasoning is that Bioware does it makes it okay for this? If an extra $1 million can speed this development up by a year, we are talking an extremely small development budget. These small underfunded games already have an issue with being released buggy and lacking features (see Darkfall and Mortal Online). This is why sandbox has become synonymous with featureless. In terms of features available, SWTOR at least had far more than every sandbox game ever released since SWG.
An MMO by definition is not complete at launch. Every game launches with missing features. WOW was missing battlegrounds, AOC was missing seiges and pvp.... I can´t remember and MMO that didn´t have a major feature ´coming very soon´ when it launched.
I think PFO is being honest about it, and also really showing one of their big features.. that players will directly influence what DOES get added and in what order. Look at their kickstarter now.. we are working gnomes because that is what players voted for.
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So your reasoning is that Bioware does it makes it okay for this? If an extra $1 million can speed this development up by a year, we are talking an extremely small development budget. These small underfunded games already have an issue with being released buggy and lacking features (see Darkfall and Mortal Online). This is why sandbox has become synonymous with featureless. In terms of features available, SWTOR at least had far more than every sandbox game ever released since SWG.
Well we can both spin this anyway we want, i understand what your saying... But...
The fact remains ever MMO released including future games will be in a state of beta. I haven't experienced a mmo released to date ( iv'e been playing mmo's since 98') that didn't release in a beta stage.
So call it what you want... I see it as early access to establish the community before they release it to the F2P market and thats exactly how Ryan and Goblinworks has explained it.
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
An MMO by definition is not complete at launch. Every game launches with missing features. WOW was missing battlegrounds, AOC was missing seiges and pvp.... I can´t remember and MMO that didn´t have a major feature ´coming very soon´ when it launched.
I think PFO is being honest about it, and also really showing one of their big features.. that players will directly influence what DOES get added and in what order. Look at their kickstarter now.. we are working gnomes because that is what players voted for.