It will be pretty easy to kill EQ 2 because it is half dead as it is. I had so much hope for EQ2 to be as fun as I felt EQ 1 was, but have new gameplay systems and graphics. EQ2 has no soul, the landscapes and armors are drab and boring and the character models are pathetic. Once the initial "newness" wore off, I had to go play something else. I even tried to play EQ2 again when they mailed me the 10 day trial and I logged in exactly one time. I logged into TS started working on some quests and talking to some guild members. The zone was pretty darn empty and there weren't a whole lot of people left in my guild. At some point later on, the game crashed while I was fighting a griffon and I haven't logged back in since. There was nothing compelling me to want to login and continue.
I've been playing WoW since the friends and family alpha (well until the past month I guess). It's fun the first time through, but the game is waaaaay too easy. I did manage over a year of playing WoW though, so it wasn't/isn't a terrible game. It just doesn't seem very challenging and once you've seen and played with all of the bells and whistles there isn't much else to do. Raiding in WoW isn't nearly as fun as it was in EQ. I think it is the community though. Onxyia and MC are "tough" encouters, but since I was mostly raiding with people that had never tried to work together until level 60 it was hard for different reasons. Mostly a lack of teamwork.
I really hope Vanguard is what I expected EQ2 to be. I've barely been keeping up with it lately, but I have high hopes (again). I hear a lot of people get upset about the grouping requirements, but I really think that is what made the EQ community a tighter community than the WoW community. You had to get to know people and make friends if you wanted to accomplish anything in the game. I really liked the people I met too.
Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I hope to meet you guys online.
Originally posted by triptogn Vanguard looks like a steaming pile to me. I checked it out at E3 and there was nothing going on, nothing to do, nowhere to go. I guess its the game for you if you like epic battles with trees (crafting system).
Brilliant. Judge a game based on the amount of content it has before it even reaches beta.
Foaming at the mouth saying how great it is, and that it's going to be a -=insert game name here=- killer is ridiculous too then.
I've played the game, and that is what I saw.
No population, no creatures to fight, mediocre graphics. A sigil employee showed me the harvesting system in the game telling me that the act of chopping down the tree will be some kind of epic task, which is just silly and pointless especially when you consider that so much effort was put into the simple chopping tree task, when there were no creatures to fight for miles around.
Bottom line is, I have a point of reference, I saw what I saw, and It looked like it was about as far along as Irth Online. People trying to claim that this is the next big thing are deluding themselves.
Originally posted by triptogn Foaming at the mouth saying how great it is, and that it's going to be a -=insert game name here=- killer is ridiculous too then. I've played the game, and that is what I saw. No population, no creatures to fight, mediocre graphics. A sigil employee showed me the harvesting system in the game telling me that the act of chopping down the tree will be some kind of epic task, which is just silly and pointless especially when you consider that so much effort was put into the simple chopping tree task, when there were no creatures to fight for miles around. Bottom line is, I have a point of reference, I saw what I saw, and It looked like it was about as far along as Irth Online. People trying to claim that this is the next big thing are deluding themselves.
K, and judging the game from the blurb they showed you at E3 isn't deluding yourself? LOL the game isn't slated for release until next year. Sad that you are seriously saying "no creatures to fight for miles around" when you know the game isn't coming out for a long time, that's just stupidity or plain ignorance. Sorry for saying so, but it's true.
Originally posted by triptogn Foaming at the mouth saying how great it is, and that it's going to be a -=insert game name here=- killer is ridiculous too then. I've played the game, and that is what I saw. No population, no creatures to fight, mediocre graphics. A sigil employee showed me the harvesting system in the game telling me that the act of chopping down the tree will be some kind of epic task, which is just silly and pointless especially when you consider that so much effort was put into the simple chopping tree task, when there were no creatures to fight for miles around. Bottom line is, I have a point of reference, I saw what I saw, and It looked like it was about as far along as Irth Online. People trying to claim that this is the next big thing are deluding themselves.
I don't think it's foaming mouth to just wait till the game actually hits shelves or AT LEAST beta to get an indication on things.
As Vanguard has the same Devs as EQ1, Van soh is seen as the real eq2.
Im not really sure how you can see vanguard as casual or hardcore. All that makes a hardcore gamer is how long they play. I expect that even if your a casual player, your still be able to play vanguard and still enjoy it.
When i started EQ1 i was a casual player and still really enjoyed it, i never thought eq1 was a casual game even after pok. Eq1 wasnt just about finding groups easily and giving everyone an equal chance, which i think the devs at eq2 failed to see.
What make eq2 casual is how everything is so simple. Traveling, combat, maps, tradeskills, small zone and all the lil things. Making a game simple and linear drives away the hardcore players. Alot of the subcribers will move to more immersive games, after getting bored of the same old thing.
I see vanguard as an online world, Not an online game. Which like eq1 will help to keep ppl playing for years to come.
So im my view it might not kill eq2 but probally hurt it badly.
Very well put thomas, and I agree whole-heartily. I've been playing EQ2 since launch, and I (and many other it seems) believe that the simplicity you mention is slowly driving away many gamers who want more. I know it didn't take me long after the newness of the game wore off to realize it wasn't what I had hoped (which I guess was more of an EQ1 feel about the world).
Now I'm not taking a shot at EQ2 here. I still play, I enjoy some aspects of the game and I happen to love my guild there (probably the main reason I'm still there honestly). But I'm saying this so you will understand why I don't think Vanguard will be the death of EQ2.
Eq2 was more of a casual gamers game from the beginning, and in my opinion has been slowly working itself that direction more and more this past year. By the time Vanguard hits market, I would suspect the majority of EQ2's base will be made up of players who prefer that type of game. Of course there are probably many like I am who will play until Vanguard hits, and then give it a shot to see if it is what we're hoping for. But more than likely, that won't be a huge percent of the player base IMO.
EQ1 ,on the other hand, I suspect will be hit much harder. Many of the more hardcore players either stayed there or went back after experiencing EQ2 for a while. If any game takes it squarely on the chin when VG hits, my money would be on EQ1.
So I believe that Vanguard will take a chunk of the pie from several MMORPG's, but not the whole pie from any of them. If it turns out to be a great game with that lost feeling of EQ1 though, it might start slowly eating away at other games player bases. I myself am hoping it turns out to be that good...
You know it's funny, when this thread first surfaced, neither EQ2 or Vanguard were released, and people were constantly pitting these two against each other. Now, looking at the failure that is EQ2, and Vanguard's release looming on the horizon, the momentum has definitely swung towards Vanguard as EQ2 players leave or continue to play a game that below the shiny surface is really empty.....
Im willing to bet these players will find a home with Vanguard. The game is already polished, the dev team working on this is the best in the business. (RIP Keith Parkinson )
It's too bad that EQ2 turned out to be such a dissapointment, but it's SOE, and no matter what, they will find a way to screw up games....You can take that to the bank...
Heres to hoping that Vanguard can bring us an immersive, fun, and amazing world full of adventure in 2006.
Originally posted by Valant6 You know it's funny, when this thread first surfaced, neither EQ2 or Vanguard were released, and people were constantly pitting these two against each other. Now, looking at the failure that is EQ2, and Vanguard's release looming on the horizon, the momentum has definitely swung towards Vanguard as EQ2 players leave or continue to play a game that below the shiny surface is really empty..... Im willing to bet these players will find a home with Vanguard. The game is already polished, the dev team working on this is the best in the business. (RIP Keith Parkinson ) It's too bad that EQ2 turned out to be such a dissapointment, but it's SOE, and no matter what, they will find a way to screw up games....You can take that to the bank... Heres to hoping that Vanguard can bring us an immersive, fun, and amazing world full of adventure in 2006.
Can you please explain how EQ2 is a failure? Sure, it may not have as large of a player base as WoW or a few other games but last I checked it did have a decent number of people playing and enjoying it. I don't think it is the best MMORPG on the market today (sorry Anarchy ) but it's far from being a failure.
Just because you didn't like a certain title is no reason to lable it as a failure (at least it's not a failure for others besides you anyway). For instance, I think that Guild Wars is a steaming pile of digital crap, but I won't deny that the game is successful. Just thought I'd clear that up.
As far as it's ability to kill EQ or EQ2, that remains to be seen. I think it's going to be taking a large amount of subscribers away from SOE's pockets which is the last thing they seem to want. Considering it's being done in the same style as oldschool EQ it might just take away those last number of players who are still clinging to those servers, and EQ will finally meet it's end. I doubt it though. I seriously don't believe that it's going to totally whipe EQ2 out of the market though. There's bound to be some players who enjoy the game enough to keep it going.
As someone else previously stated, the games are too different and play styles vary from person to person. There are MMORPG players out there who hated EQ and its camp n' kill style of gaming along with a lot of other things that you won't find in EQ2 or WoW. Those players will likely stick with the games that they enjoy. Others who want what Vanguard seems to be offering will migrate to that edge of the spectrum and enjoy themselves as well.
Since the 'major update' to EQ2 which seems to be proving popular, then it means that EQ2 should have a longer life.... this is still room for more MMORPGs as more and more households around the world get online.
EQ2 started out great but unfortunately, like EQ it is killing itself. It started out with fun, fair challenging content and had 'dumbed down' and cheapened the game experience so much - that after having a level 50 Woodworker and level 43 mage - I got bored logging in... even the new expansion was not enough. I've been an avid EQ'er for 3 years and I'm sad to say that I'll be canceling my account soon.
I like how EQ2 is now, much more exciting and challenging. Been playing SWG lately though as I just love the new game enhancements, plus real life has been getting interesting so don't have as much game time lately. When r/l dies down a bit I'll be back in EQ2 awaiting the glorious challenge that is Vanguard.
I see no reason why V:SoH would kill EQ2. I stopped playing EQ2 after 6 months (and 3 months of beta) because I didnt like the game play yes it was fun for abit but after 2 lvl 50 chars and 2 lvl 40 chars the game had nothing more to offer me. Key word there is me. I still know lots of ppl that enjoy eq2 and are loving all the new stuff. V:SoH should be more to my liking and other like minded players that have given (or giving) up games like EQ2 and World or Borecraft (hehe sorry) VG is a niche game atm and they will get a good following, but will not take many players from other game (if they are happy with those games) I see alot of old EQ1 heading there looking for some of that old magic and im sure they will get it. Over time I would expect more and more player to head to VG as more become tiered with other games I think the key with VG over other games is thats is in it for the long haul not the fast buck. Time shall tell and I just cant wait
I still believe Vanguard will take away much of EQ2's 'informed' playerbase and add to their own....that's all I'll say on this subject for now...The truth will eventually be told, and I am content to wait and see what happens.
When I took the poll from the first post, I hesitated, when i clicked "Yes i believe EQ2 will die from Vanguard" i cringed even. Then i realized, that SOE used me for the 6 years I played EQ1. Spit shined a lame game called it EQ2 and i ate it up, I was the ultimate Fanboi for EQ2. I played it for around 1year and a half, (I gave it its fair shot) reached lvl 60. Only to find, that the game had nothing more to it. Even wit hthe realease of then ew expanison except daily raids, which got very tiring. EverQuest 2 BOASTED on having the Dev's of Vanguard, or The Origional EQ staff work on EQ2, to get older EQ players to play the game. Only to find that 1/4 way INTO development of EQ2 The Current day Vanguard Dev's LEFT SOE, When they did not allow them to use all their ideas, into the making of EQ2. THUS bringing me to the point that, SOE kill everything its grubby hands touch, and VANGUARD WILL BE THE BEST GAME TO EVER BE RELEASED HANDS DOWN looking forward to playing htis badboy for the future 6 years of my life =p or maybe more?
sorry its early and before coffee, i may of rambled... </rant>
i believe eq2 is already dead ive played it got my lvl 50 wizzy before the expansion came out really has no content that makes sence to what the fack ur doin. oh the gnolls took a cave and we need to save qeynos blah blah. oh and every thing seems the same for a while they had u look like everyone else that killed it right off in the beging. then they figured oh lets add some stuff but it was already to late. now it seems people are going back to find out its the same game with more lvls. i was thinking of going back when the expansion came out never did. so i found out RF online and im waiting for this bad boy. i will be the cora nation u facks dont mess with me.
The whiners on the Vanguard forums are already turning me off to this game though... whhaaaa lets have permadeath, whaaaaa crafting better be special, waaaaa I don't want the ability to find a soulshard, i wanna lose durability on all my items 100% and lose 3 levels of xp when I die. Beat me and make the game super hard because I hate myself and have too much time on my hands... waaaa.
Shut it already. Games are supposed to be fun. If the vanguard team listens to it's forum members, EQ2 might not have that much competition... both games will suck.
I dont feel Vanguard: SoH will kill EQII, as you will still have die-hard players or those that dont want to move away from the game that theyve put many hours in to. Look how many still play the Original EQ, they are two different games, and Vanguard will be and is designed for a completely different audience than EQII was built for.
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Vanguard is more for the gamer who want to be challenged in the game play, for those that found early days of EverQuest fun and exciting. EverQuest II was designed for those that had left EverQuest thinking the game was too hard.
So while Vanguard will attract a lot of players, I dont feel it will be the nail in the coffin for EverQuest II, that will be World of Warcrafts job, as these two games are designed and targeting the same type of player.
There are enough players of these games to support multiple successive games at the same time, and new players are being added to the genre daily, thanks to game like World of Warcraft. But even World of Warcraft looses players that are looking for something different Vanguard will be a game that offers something different, but those that like the World of Warcraft game might not leave it for Vanguard as it will not be designed to their tastes most likely.
Originally posted by Barur So while Vanguard will attract a lot of players, I dont feel it will be the nail in the coffin for EverQuest II, that will be World of Warcrafts job, as these two games are designed and targeting the same type of player.
WoW and EQ2 have been coexisting for some time already, if WoW's gonna kill EQ2 it's happened already.
I have to agree on the community in the Vanguard forums
absolutely terrible and extremely elitist. god forbid you even mention something that was mentioned within the past few months on that forum and you'll be crucified as a heretic!
theres not much going on in those forums except a hell of a lot of noise, mainly because people have this idea that the more they post..the better there odds of getting into beta are (as happens in most games previously to release)
if the forum users are any reflection on the sort of people I will meet in game, I'll just wait. It seems every hater that has ever hated a game has come to the vanguard website
I ESPECIALLY enjoy the folks who constantly bash other games (such as DDO, and D&L, and SWG, and WOW) and expect this to increase their chances of getting into a beta. People need to see things from the eyes of a developer, really. I mean Im not gonna want some guy testing my game who says things like "I played DDO for 3 hours and deleted it from my hard drive". Theres so many things wrong with that sentence, and is very disrespectful of someone to say such things when they are testing confidential material.
oh, and as far as EQ2 and Vanguard is concerned.. I think Age of Conan will end up being better than both. As far as my tastes are concerned anyway, which is all that matters to me.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
"The whiners on the Vanguard forums are already turning me off to this game though... whhaaaa lets have permadeath, whaaaaa crafting better be special, waaaaa I don't want the ability to find a soulshard, i wanna lose durability on all my items 100% and lose 3 levels of xp when I die. Beat me and make the game super hard because I hate myself and have too much time on my hands... waaaa.
Shut it already. Games are supposed to be fun. If the vanguard team listens to it's forum members, EQ2 might not have that much competition... both games will suck."
Hmm...or could it be that maybe...just maybe...a game that involves a little thought and time IS a fun idea to some people?? Maybe some people have fun crafting. Maybe some people find it boring if they can breeze through to maximum level with minimal effort and no fear of death. Maybe your opinion of what's fun is NOT absolute, and you're just self-centered for thinking otherwise.
You can like it, or hate it all you want, but you have some nerve telling other people they're wrong for enjoying the things they do. So instead of whining in a similar fashion to that which you apparently hate so much, why dont you just...how did you put it..."Shut it already" and find a game more suited to your tastes and let other people have their fun too.
There are plenty of games out there with lack of substance, no penalty for death, and little else to do but kill kill kill. If this is really what you want, WoW is probably the best among them. If you havnt tried it already, give it a shot. If that's what you like, great. It means the rest of us wont have to put up with you.
Edit: And no, I'm not bashing WoW, although it may sound like it. I actually enjoyed the game until I ran out of stuff to do...which took about 2 months. I like a challenge, and that game presented little, if any. Seeing all there is to see in 2 months time is simply a mild diversion to me and mmorpg'ers like me. There are those of us who want something epic, like EQ used to be. That's what draws us to Vanguard. Since MMORPG's became mainstream, no game has been quite the same. We flock to Vanguard hoping this game will be the sigil of epic mmorpg'ing that we've been deprived of for the last few years, but no amount of bad puns will get some people to understand that. Some people just want every new game that gets released to be the same effortless pickup-play-putdown-and-move-on game that this "2nd gen" of MMORPG's has been, and to say that anyone's wrong for wanting otherwise is just ego-centric, closed minded, and arrogant in my opinion.
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It will be pretty easy to kill EQ 2 because it is half dead as it is. I had so much hope for EQ2 to be as fun as I felt EQ 1 was, but have new gameplay systems and graphics. EQ2 has no soul, the landscapes and armors are drab and boring and the character models are pathetic. Once the initial "newness" wore off, I had to go play something else. I even tried to play EQ2 again when they mailed me the 10 day trial and I logged in exactly one time. I logged into TS started working on some quests and talking to some guild members. The zone was pretty darn empty and there weren't a whole lot of people left in my guild. At some point later on, the game crashed while I was fighting a griffon and I haven't logged back in since. There was nothing compelling me to want to login and continue.
I've been playing WoW since the friends and family alpha (well until the past month I guess). It's fun the first time through, but the game is waaaaay too easy. I did manage over a year of playing WoW though, so it wasn't/isn't a terrible game. It just doesn't seem very challenging and once you've seen and played with all of the bells and whistles there isn't much else to do. Raiding in WoW isn't nearly as fun as it was in EQ. I think it is the community though. Onxyia and MC are "tough" encouters, but since I was mostly raiding with people that had never tried to work together until level 60 it was hard for different reasons. Mostly a lack of teamwork.
I really hope Vanguard is what I expected EQ2 to be. I've barely been keeping up with it lately, but I have high hopes (again). I hear a lot of people get upset about the grouping requirements, but I really think that is what made the EQ community a tighter community than the WoW community. You had to get to know people and make friends if you wanted to accomplish anything in the game. I really liked the people I met too.
Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I hope to meet you guys online.
Vanguard looks like a steaming pile to me. I checked it out at E3 and there was nothing going on, nothing to do, nowhere to go.
I guess its the game for you if you like epic battles with trees (crafting system).
Brilliant. Judge a game based on the amount of content it has before it even reaches beta.
-Feyshtey-
Foaming at the mouth saying how great it is, and that it's going to be a -=insert game name here=- killer is ridiculous too then.
I've played the game, and that is what I saw.
No population, no creatures to fight, mediocre graphics. A sigil employee showed me the harvesting system in the game telling me that the act of chopping down the tree will be some kind of epic task, which is just silly and pointless especially when you consider that so much effort was put into the simple chopping tree task, when there were no creatures to fight for miles around.
Bottom line is, I have a point of reference, I saw what I saw, and It looked like it was about as far along as Irth Online. People trying to claim that this is the next big thing are deluding themselves.
I don't think it's foaming mouth to just wait till the game actually hits shelves or AT LEAST beta to get an indication on things.
They don't run beta for the fun of it
As Vanguard has the same Devs as EQ1, Van soh is seen as the real eq2.
Im not really sure how you can see vanguard as casual or hardcore. All that makes a hardcore gamer is how long they play. I expect that even if your a casual player, your still be able to play vanguard and still enjoy it.
When i started EQ1 i was a casual player and still really enjoyed it, i never thought eq1 was a casual game even after pok. Eq1 wasnt just about finding groups easily and giving everyone an equal chance, which i think the devs at eq2 failed to see.
What make eq2 casual is how everything is so simple. Traveling, combat, maps, tradeskills, small zone and all the lil things. Making a game simple and linear drives away the hardcore players. Alot of the subcribers will move to more immersive games, after getting bored of the same old thing.
I see vanguard as an online world, Not an online game. Which like eq1 will help to keep ppl playing for years to come.
So im my view it might not kill eq2 but probally hurt it badly.
Very well put thomas, and I agree whole-heartily. I've been playing EQ2 since launch, and I (and many other it seems) believe that the simplicity you mention is slowly driving away many gamers who want more. I know it didn't take me long after the newness of the game wore off to realize it wasn't what I had hoped (which I guess was more of an EQ1 feel about the world).
Now I'm not taking a shot at EQ2 here. I still play, I enjoy some aspects of the game and I happen to love my guild there (probably the main reason I'm still there honestly). But I'm saying this so you will understand why I don't think Vanguard will be the death of EQ2.
Eq2 was more of a casual gamers game from the beginning, and in my opinion has been slowly working itself that direction more and more this past year. By the time Vanguard hits market, I would suspect the majority of EQ2's base will be made up of players who prefer that type of game. Of course there are probably many like I am who will play until Vanguard hits, and then give it a shot to see if it is what we're hoping for. But more than likely, that won't be a huge percent of the player base IMO.
EQ1 ,on the other hand, I suspect will be hit much harder. Many of the more hardcore players either stayed there or went back after experiencing EQ2 for a while. If any game takes it squarely on the chin when VG hits, my money would be on EQ1.
So I believe that Vanguard will take a chunk of the pie from several MMORPG's, but not the whole pie from any of them. If it turns out to be a great game with that lost feeling of EQ1 though, it might start slowly eating away at other games player bases. I myself am hoping it turns out to be that good...
You know it's funny, when this thread first surfaced, neither EQ2 or Vanguard were released, and people were constantly pitting these two against each other. Now, looking at the failure that is EQ2, and Vanguard's release looming on the horizon, the momentum has definitely swung towards Vanguard as EQ2 players leave or continue to play a game that below the shiny surface is really empty.....
Im willing to bet these players will find a home with Vanguard. The game is already polished, the dev team working on this is the best in the business. (RIP Keith Parkinson
)
It's too bad that EQ2 turned out to be such a dissapointment, but it's SOE, and no matter what, they will find a way to screw up games....You can take that to the bank...
Heres to hoping that Vanguard can bring us an immersive, fun, and amazing world full of adventure in 2006.
Can you please explain how EQ2 is a failure? Sure, it may not have as large of a player base as WoW or a few other games but last I checked it did have a decent number of people playing and enjoying it. I don't think it is the best MMORPG on the market today (sorry Anarchy
Just because you didn't like a certain title is no reason to lable it as a failure (at least it's not a failure for others besides you anyway). For instance, I think that Guild Wars is a steaming pile of digital crap, but I won't deny that the game is successful.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
As far as it's ability to kill EQ or EQ2, that remains to be seen. I think it's going to be taking a large amount of subscribers away from SOE's pockets which is the last thing they seem to want. Considering it's being done in the same style as oldschool EQ it might just take away those last number of players who are still clinging to those servers, and EQ will finally meet it's end. I doubt it though. I seriously don't believe that it's going to totally whipe EQ2 out of the market though. There's bound to be some players who enjoy the game enough to keep it going.
As someone else previously stated, the games are too different and play styles vary from person to person. There are MMORPG players out there who hated EQ and its camp n' kill style of gaming along with a lot of other things that you won't find in EQ2 or WoW. Those players will likely stick with the games that they enjoy. Others who want what Vanguard seems to be offering will migrate to that edge of the spectrum and enjoy themselves as well.
Since the 'major update' to EQ2 which seems to be proving popular, then it means that EQ2 should have a longer life.... this is still room for more MMORPGs as more and more households around the world get online.
EQ2 started out great but unfortunately, like EQ it is killing itself. It started out with fun, fair challenging content and had 'dumbed down' and cheapened the game experience so much - that after having a level 50 Woodworker and level 43 mage - I got bored logging in... even the new expansion was not enough. I've been an avid EQ'er for 3 years and I'm sad to say that I'll be canceling my account soon.
Vanguard won't kill EQ2, but after Vangard release many players will change billing servises.
EQ2 will be more of a ghost town than it is now..
/scary
When I took the poll from the first post, I hesitated, when i clicked "Yes i believe EQ2 will die from Vanguard" i cringed even. Then i realized, that SOE used me for the 6 years I played EQ1. Spit shined a lame game called it EQ2 and i ate it up, I was the ultimate Fanboi for EQ2. I played it for around 1year and a half, (I gave it its fair shot) reached lvl 60. Only to find, that the game had nothing more to it. Even wit hthe realease of then ew expanison except daily raids, which got very tiring. EverQuest 2 BOASTED on having the Dev's of Vanguard, or The Origional EQ staff work on EQ2, to get older EQ players to play the game. Only to find that 1/4 way INTO development of EQ2 The Current day Vanguard Dev's LEFT SOE, When they did not allow them to use all their ideas, into the making of EQ2. THUS bringing me to the point that, SOE kill everything its grubby hands touch, and VANGUARD WILL BE THE BEST GAME TO EVER BE RELEASED HANDS DOWN looking forward to playing htis badboy for the future 6 years of my life =p or maybe more?
sorry its early and before coffee, i may of rambled... </rant>
i believe eq2 is already dead ive played it got my lvl 50 wizzy before the expansion came out really has no content that makes sence to what the fack ur doin. oh the gnolls took a cave and we need to save qeynos blah blah. oh and every thing seems the same for a while they had u look like everyone else that killed it right off in the beging. then they figured oh lets add some stuff but it was already to late. now it seems people are going back to find out its the same game with more lvls. i was thinking of going back when the expansion came out never did. so i found out RF online and im waiting for this bad boy. i will be the cora nation u facks dont mess with me.
I think EQ2 is already dead.
The whiners on the Vanguard forums are already turning me off to this game though... whhaaaa lets have permadeath, whaaaaa crafting better be special, waaaaa I don't want the ability to find a soulshard, i wanna lose durability on all my items 100% and lose 3 levels of xp when I die. Beat me and make the game super hard because I hate myself and have too much time on my hands... waaaa.
Shut it already. Games are supposed to be fun. If the vanguard team listens to it's forum members, EQ2 might not have that much competition... both games will suck.
No bitchers.
I dont feel Vanguard: SoH will kill EQII, as you will still have die-hard players or those that dont want to move away from the game that theyve put many hours in to. Look how many still play the Original EQ, they are two different games, and Vanguard will be and is designed for a completely different audience than EQII was built for.
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Vanguard is more for the gamer who want to be challenged in the game play, for those that found early days of EverQuest fun and exciting. EverQuest II was designed for those that had left EverQuest thinking the game was too hard.
So while Vanguard will attract a lot of players, I dont feel it will be the nail in the coffin for EverQuest II, that will be World of Warcrafts job, as these two games are designed and targeting the same type of player.
There are enough players of these games to support multiple successive games at the same time, and new players are being added to the genre daily, thanks to game like World of Warcraft. But even World of Warcraft looses players that are looking for something different Vanguard will be a game that offers something different, but those that like the World of Warcraft game might not leave it for Vanguard as it will not be designed to their tastes most likely.
Only the dead have seen the end of War! ~ Plato
WoW and EQ2 have been coexisting for some time already, if WoW's gonna kill EQ2 it's happened already.
I have to agree on the community in the Vanguard forums
absolutely terrible and extremely elitist. god forbid you even mention something that was mentioned within the past few months on that forum and you'll be crucified as a heretic!
theres not much going on in those forums except a hell of a lot of noise, mainly because people have this idea that the more they post..the better there odds of getting into beta are (as happens in most games previously to release)
if the forum users are any reflection on the sort of people I will meet in game, I'll just wait. It seems every hater that has ever hated a game has come to the vanguard website
I ESPECIALLY enjoy the folks who constantly bash other games (such as DDO, and D&L, and SWG, and WOW) and expect this to increase their chances of getting into a beta. People need to see things from the eyes of a developer, really. I mean Im not gonna want some guy testing my game who says things like "I played DDO for 3 hours and deleted it from my hard drive". Theres so many things wrong with that sentence, and is very disrespectful of someone to say such things when they are testing confidential material.
oh, and as far as EQ2 and Vanguard is concerned.. I think Age of Conan will end up being better than both. As far as my tastes are concerned anyway, which is all that matters to me.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
"The whiners on the Vanguard forums are already turning me off to
this game though... whhaaaa lets have permadeath, whaaaaa crafting
better be special, waaaaa I don't want the ability to find a soulshard,
i wanna lose durability on all my items 100% and lose 3 levels of xp
when I die. Beat me and make the game super hard because I hate myself
and have too much time on my hands... waaaa.
Shut it already. Games are supposed to be fun. If the vanguard team
listens to it's forum members, EQ2 might not have that much
competition... both games will suck."
Hmm...or could it be that maybe...just maybe...a game that involves a
little thought and time IS a fun idea to some people?? Maybe some people
have fun crafting. Maybe some people find it boring if they can breeze
through to maximum level with minimal effort and no fear of death. Maybe
your opinion of what's fun is NOT absolute, and you're just
self-centered for thinking otherwise.
You can like it, or hate it all you want, but you have some nerve
telling other people they're wrong for enjoying the things they do. So
instead of whining in a similar fashion to that which you apparently
hate so much, why dont you just...how did you put it..."Shut it already"
and find a game more suited to your tastes and let other people have
their fun too.
There are plenty of games out there with lack of substance, no penalty
for death, and little else to do but kill kill kill. If this is really
what you want, WoW is probably the best among them. If you havnt tried
it already, give it a shot. If that's what you like, great. It means the
rest of us wont have to put up with you.
Edit: And no, I'm not bashing WoW, although it may sound like it. I
actually enjoyed the game until I ran out of stuff to do...which took
about 2 months. I like a challenge, and that game presented little, if
any. Seeing all there is to see in 2 months time is simply a mild
diversion to me and mmorpg'ers like me. There are those of us who want
something epic, like EQ used to be. That's what draws us to Vanguard.
Since MMORPG's became mainstream, no game has been quite the same. We
flock to Vanguard hoping this game will be the sigil of epic mmorpg'ing
that we've been deprived of for the last few years, but no amount of bad
puns will get some people to understand that. Some people just want
every new game that gets released to be the same effortless
pickup-play-putdown-and-move-on game that this "2nd gen" of MMORPG's has
been, and to say that anyone's wrong for wanting otherwise is just
ego-centric, closed minded, and arrogant in my opinion.