If you look at the reviews of the Silverstone Raven the cooling is the best I'v seen. With some additional fans and the Hyper 212 in a down>up airflow config you could prob OC like crazy on air.
Stick with Logitech they have better Mouse interpolation.
Possible upgrades since 200$ are left are 16 gigs of ram in a 2x8 formfactor, Upgraded Power supply no need to go beyond 750w or so though since Crossfire/SLI is in general not reccomended IMO, Speakers, Upgrading the processor to the 3770K, More storage.
Originally posted by destro521 is there much of a performance difference between the 3770k and the 3570k?
Depends if your using it for a multicore purpose....in gaming no, but encoding and such the 3770k will be better. I bought a 3770k even though I didnt need the extra thread, it was a great deal with the purchase of my Mobo at Microcenter. I have the thing overclocked at 4.8ghz. I could probably go higher being that I'm on water....but the thing is so fast, I dont need it faster.
I bought the white NZXT 810 Switch case....its amazing if your looking for something full size. Theres plenty of room for all you could need inside. I was a little nervous getting white....but the thing looks gorgeous...especially with some white components!
I would definately try to fit this in there it is an incredible monitor. and I really mean INCREDIBLE!!!!
i like it
I really want to get the HAF X as my case but the theres the Storm stryker which some say is an improvement.
as soon as i saw the storm stryker i definatly wanted to buy it but as more reviews are read i dont really know which one to buy
Because i like the looks of both of them which is why i dont want to pick some of the corsair cases and the NZXT phantom has the awesome LED features and same size fans as the haf x.
I just want to know how good the strykers Thermal performance on air cooling is but i cant find that many reviews for it.
if its even close to the HAF i would buy the stryker because it looks fantastic and is 10 bucks cheaper
Because they said i can send them a parts list in email and tehy can get them shipped from somewhere in australia because i cant get things from america
Just to throw it out there since you seem to like the look of NZXT's Phantom series. They just released their latest version, the Phantom 630. It's a full tower that sports option for not only an extreme amount of air cooling but also modular enough inside to allow for some great water cooling setups. It also happens to retail for around $179 if you can find it.
Just to throw it out there since you seem to like the look of NZXT's Phantom series. They just released their latest version, the Phantom 630. It's a full tower that sports option for not only an extreme amount of air cooling but also modular enough inside to allow for some great water cooling setups. It also happens to retail for around $179 if you can find it.
Should i SLI 2 670's they have 5% less performance than a 690 for 600$ cheaper
the 690 in aus costs 1400, while the 670s cost 798
If you are just wanting to spend the money for potential extra performance then sure go for the GTX 670 SLI setup over the overpriced GTX 690. That said I'm SURE there is a better use for the nearly 400 dollars.
Part of the reason for this is because there tend to be few games that take advantage of SLI/Xfire setups and thus the price you paid for that performance is rarely worth the money spent. But mostly because personally I would probably spend the money on another piece of hardware such as an IPS monitor or perhaps a WACOM digital tablet instead. If you ever plan to draw or edit photos the advantage of one those digital tablets over a standard mouse cannot be stressed enough.
Make sure the case don't have aeration holes on top of it. I bought one on my last update and the picture was without holes on top, only on the side, but the case wasn't the same as the picture. Anyway since then i'm waiting for someone putting any kind of liquid on it and every time i see someone with a drink approaching the computer i get all nervous and have to stop them. Worth thing i ever bought.
Originally posted by destro521 its either a single asus 7970 matrix platinum or 2 670's in sli i did fail to meantion the 7970 it costs 599
I tend to find TTL's reviews to be quite thorough and for the most part pretty darn fair (be warned they are LONG). GIven the price that is asked for the Matrix it didn't really go over well in his review. Just something to think about while you check out some of his other reviews for cards you might be interested in. You can also just skip to the end if you just want a quick recap and final score.
Originally posted by destro521 its either a single asus 7970 matrix platinum or 2 670's in sli i did fail to meantion the 7970 it costs 599
I tend to find TTL's reviews to be quite thorough and for the most part pretty darn fair (be warned they are LONG). GIven the price that is asked for the Matrix it didn't really go over well in his review. Just something to think about while you check out some of his other reviews for cards you might be interested in. You can also just skip to the end if you just want a quick recap and final score.
Yeah i watched it a couple days ago the website i am using deos not include any good ones apart from the matrix.
Many reviews say that the matrix is a good card where as logans review is particularly bad so im not sure what to go by.
Originally posted by destro521 its either a single asus 7970 matrix platinum or 2 670's in sli i did fail to meantion the 7970 it costs 599
I tend to find TTL's reviews to be quite thorough and for the most part pretty darn fair (be warned they are LONG). GIven the price that is asked for the Matrix it didn't really go over well in his review. Just something to think about while you check out some of his other reviews for cards you might be interested in. You can also just skip to the end if you just want a quick recap and final score.
Yeah i watched it a couple days ago the website i am using deos not include any good ones apart from the matrix.
Many reviews say that the matrix is a good card where as logans review is particularly bad so im not sure what to go by.
Also i can get a 670 4gb or a 680 SC evga card for around teh same price but i would rather stick with radeon
The matrix is the only good card on ple as teh other ones are the XFX cards
I just dont know what to do because if the 7970 matrix is taht bad then i might aswell just get the 670 in sli ?
The biggest complaint is the Matrix really falls in line with the GTX680 non reference cards in that while they aren't bad cards by any means they tend to be overpriced for the slight performance boost they offer. Will the Matrix beat even a single OC'd GTX 670? Yes assuming you didn't get a lemon. However when a game/program can and will utilize SLI properly two GTX 670's will almost always beat the Matrix. It's really a matter of whether or not the cost difference is justified and will you be using games that take advantage of an SLI setup.
Also keep in mind short of just maxing GFX options for the sake of turning everything on (this generally doesn't increase actual visual performance over lesser settings btw) there really is no need for anything over a GTX 670 in the 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 screen resolution range. If you intend to go beyond that then sure spend away and just remember that AMD tends to do better in the 3 or more department while Nvidia tends to shine at dual screen setups.
Since you seem to prefer AMD does the site you are looking at offer the 7990's?
Originally posted by destro521 its either a single asus 7970 matrix platinum or 2 670's in sli i did fail to meantion the 7970 it costs 599
I tend to find TTL's reviews to be quite thorough and for the most part pretty darn fair (be warned they are LONG). GIven the price that is asked for the Matrix it didn't really go over well in his review. Just something to think about while you check out some of his other reviews for cards you might be interested in. You can also just skip to the end if you just want a quick recap and final score.
Yeah i watched it a couple days ago the website i am using deos not include any good ones apart from the matrix.
Many reviews say that the matrix is a good card where as logans review is particularly bad so im not sure what to go by.
Also i can get a 670 4gb or a 680 SC evga card for around teh same price but i would rather stick with radeon
The matrix is the only good card on ple as teh other ones are the XFX cards
I just dont know what to do because if the 7970 matrix is taht bad then i might aswell just get the 670 in sli ?
The biggest complaint is the Matrix really falls in line with the GTX680 non reference cards in that while they aren't bad cards by any means they tend to be overpriced for the slight performance boost they offer. Will the Matrix beat even a single OC'd GTX 670? Yes assuming you didn't get a lemon. However when a game/program can and will utilize SLI properly two GTX 670's will almost always beat the Matrix. It's really a matter of whether or not the cost difference is justified and will you be using games that take advantage of an SLI setup.
Also keep in mind short of just maxing GFX options for the sake of turning everything on (this generally doesn't increase actual visual performance over lesser settings btw) there really is no need for anything over a GTX 670 in the 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 screen resolution range. If you intend to go beyond that then sure spend away and just remember that AMD tends to do better in the 3 or more department while Nvidia tends to shine at dual screen setups.
Since you seem to prefer AMD does the site you are looking at offer the 7990's?
no they dont offer 7990s i will be upgrading monitors in the future though its just that teh 670 build requires me to go mid tower and a gene motherboard because i still want the oc capacity of the rog range
its just i need this to last a while and i accidently found out about the 670 SLI price when i was messing around with their menu of parts haha.
I like the matrix because of the fact that i can run fine on any game i can and will throw at it and even at higher resolutions than 1080p but then again a 670 sli would dominate that
But the idea of Crossfireing another matrix is appealing and if i go with the single matrix card i would definatly get another one when i get another job for crossfireX
im pretty sure a matrix can beat some non reference 680s aswell and some members on the ROG forums have even beaten the direct cu top 680 and msi lightnings so im not sure what i want.
This place im getting the matrix from also runs it with the never settle bonus now so thats even more value combined with the v formula and 3770k should make an intresting system for me to get my hands on haha
Well I would say if you prefer AMD or at any point in the future plan to use at least 3 monitors, especially as a "single screen" just stick with the red team. Both of the computers in my house use the Asus GTX680 DirectCU II OC editions and I personally couldn't be happier by their performance, whether it's gaming for me or advanced photoshop for my wife. The Matrix is more in line with the card above ours known at the TOP edition which means I would say based on my experience thus far you won't be disappointed at all.
SLI/Xfire can be a decent option but honestly after a LOT of research and listening to those with more knowledge than I have I've come to the conclusion there are VERY few cases where it actually makes sense. If you were for instance going for a full 6 monitor Eyefinity setup, Hell yeah you would be looking at a Xfire setup most likely using two 7970 Ghz editions at that (wind tunnels). Or if you happen to be running a dual 30" screen setup then SLI could be a good option. Outside of those the extra money spent is more about epeen than FPS (the bench charts pretty much prove this, I mean is hundreds of dollars more worth 10 FPS when you are comparing 60 to 70 FPS?).
Well I would say if you prefer AMD or at any point in the future plan to use at least 3 monitors, especially as a "single screen" just stick with the red team. Both of the computers in my house use the Asus GTX680 DirectCU II OC editions and I personally couldn't be happier by their performance, whether it's gaming for me or advanced photoshop for my wife. The Matrix is more in line with the card above ours known at the TOP edition which means I would say based on my experience thus far you won't be disappointed at all.
SLI/Xfire can be a decent option but honestly after a LOT of research and listening to those with more knowledge than I have I've come to the conclusion there are VERY few cases where it actually makes sense. If you were for instance going for a full 6 monitor Eyefinity setup, Hell yeah you would be looking at a Xfire setup most likely using two 7970 Ghz editions at that (wind tunnels). Or if you happen to be running a dual 30" screen setup then SLI could be a good option. Outside of those the extra money spent is more about epeen than FPS (the bench charts pretty much prove this, I mean is hundreds of dollars more worth 10 FPS when you are comparing 60 to 70 FPS?).
thanks for the help ill be looking forward to ocing my matrix card haha and on a plus side i also get the storm stryker full tower or HAF X ( still cant make up my mind lol ) the 680 Cu II card was my very first choice as its only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7970 but ive been using amd for a year now and find it a nice brand even with some of teh bugs ive experienced on my hd6870m card such as grey bars of death and stuff
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Full system from PC Case Gear
Intel Core i5 3570K $229.00
Sapphire Radeon HD7970 3GB OC Edition with Boost $429.00
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 Motherboard $165.00
G.Skill F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 $56.00
OCZ Fatal1ty Series 750W Modular $109.00
SanDisk Extreme Solid State Drive 120GB $109.00
Western Digital WD Red 1TB WD10EFRX $89.00
Samsung SH-224BB/BEBS SATA DVDRW Drive OEM $19.00
Microsoft Windows 8 64bit OEM $99.00
LG E2442V 24in Widescreen LED Monitor $169.00
CoolerMaster CM Storm Scout 2 Black $109.00
XSPC Raystorm D5 RX360 Water Cooling Kit $309.00
Heatkiller GPU-X³ 79X0 Water Block Ni-Bl $139.00
Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse $69.00
ROCCAT Arvo Compact Gaming Keyboard $45.00
PCCG Custom System Assembly Service with Upgraded Cooler $135.00
Sub-Total: $2279.00 Completely watercooled. See if the company will ship it to ya. GL
Pc case gears shipping prices are quite high and this is In-country
350$ shipping
Although i absolutly love that build yu have made they smack on a hefty shipping fee
and the cost to build is actually only 79$ and it comes with a 6-way surge board ( whatever that is)
I wonder how long it takes to get to Melbourne?
I thought with a custom cooling solution it was more to assemble.
Owie.
I did a decent build on the site you have with the
Intel Core i5 3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz 6MB Retail Box
SilverStone Raven RV03 Black Gaming Case
Arctic Cooling 120mm PWM CO Cooling Fan
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler
Asus Radeon HD7970 ROG Matrix Platinum
SanDisk Extreme 2.5" 120GB SSD SATA3 550/510
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 3.5" 1TB 64MB
Samsung S24B420BW 24" WUXGA WS 5MS
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA1155 ATX Motherboard
XFX Core Edition 750W 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply
Asus DRW-24B5ST 24x Black SATA DVD Writer
PLE Custom Intel Desktop System
Corsair Vengeance 1500 7.1-Channel USB Gaming Headset
Logitech G500 Laser Gaming Mouse
EpicGear Large Size Hybrid Mouse Mat
Logitech G110 Gaming Keyboard
Total = $2,184
If you look at the reviews of the Silverstone Raven the cooling is the best I'v seen. With some additional fans and the Hyper 212 in a down>up airflow config you could prob OC like crazy on air.
Stick with Logitech they have better Mouse interpolation.
Possible upgrades since 200$ are left are 16 gigs of ram in a 2x8 formfactor, Upgraded Power supply no need to go beyond 750w or so though since Crossfire/SLI is in general not reccomended IMO, Speakers, Upgrading the processor to the 3770K, More storage.
is there much of a performance difference between the 3770k and the 3570k?
Your build suggestion is quite similar to mine
CPU: i7 3770k
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler
Asus Radeon HD7970 ROG Matrix Platinum
silicon power velox 120gb ssd
toshiba 2tb 64mb cache
XFX Core Edition 750W 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply
Asus DRW-24B5ST 24x Black SATA DVD Writer
PLE Custom Intel Desktop System
Logitech g110
CM Storm Stryker ( Really wanted the phantom 820 for its LED lighting but its overpriced)
asus vn228 21.5" led monitor
Asus Maximus V Formula motherboard ( special features that work with the 7970)
Windows 8 OEM
GeIL 16gb 2x8gb @ 1600
tplink wn951 300mbps pci adapter
There is also a chance of taking teh 7970 out and using 2 660s or a 670 4gb editon but im not sure.... really not sure
the price comes to 2396 and i am willing to spend that much
Depends if your using it for a multicore purpose....in gaming no, but encoding and such the 3770k will be better. I bought a 3770k even though I didnt need the extra thread, it was a great deal with the purchase of my Mobo at Microcenter. I have the thing overclocked at 4.8ghz. I could probably go higher being that I'm on water....but the thing is so fast, I dont need it faster.
yeah the 810 is always on my mind and it comes very close second with the stryker
but do i need the 3770k?
im persuing a career in software and games developement which is why im going overkill now so i dont need to add an upgrade to my uni fees.
Plus i do frequent beta testing for MMOs of any genre ( currently testing 5 betas haha
)
so that could matter
i want to use a hyper 212 evo cause ill need to sacrifice the gpu for a h100
Samsung S24B420BW 24" WUXGA WS 5MS
I would definately try to fit this in there it is an incredible monitor. and I really mean INCREDIBLE!!!!
i like it
I really want to get the HAF X as my case but the theres the Storm stryker which some say is an improvement.
as soon as i saw the storm stryker i definatly wanted to buy it but as more reviews are read i dont really know which one to buy
Because i like the looks of both of them which is why i dont want to pick some of the corsair cases and the NZXT phantom has the awesome LED features and same size fans as the haf x.
I just want to know how good the strykers Thermal performance on air cooling is but i cant find that many reviews for it.
if its even close to the HAF i would buy the stryker because it looks fantastic and is 10 bucks cheaper
even this Lian Li http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product06.php?pr_index=478&cl_index=1&sc_index=25&ss_index=61&g=f
looks like it has incredible features and airflow
Because they said i can send them a parts list in email and tehy can get them shipped from somewhere in australia because i cant get things from america
The Stryker has above average air flow and dampening noise. It's a nice case.
Not as good as the Raven for Airflow but it is pretty good.
Neither beats the HAF-X for space features or airflow though.
isnt the HAF X older by 2 years? the haf is 10$ more than the stryker so i can get either one but i thought the Stryker had more features and space?
im after looks, performance and great airflow.
The only reason im hesitant over the HAF X is because one of my friends has the Haf 912 advanced
Just to throw it out there since you seem to like the look of NZXT's Phantom series. They just released their latest version, the Phantom 630. It's a full tower that sports option for not only an extreme amount of air cooling but also modular enough inside to allow for some great water cooling setups. It also happens to retail for around $179 if you can find it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6681/nzxt-phantom-630-case-review-the-relentless-pursuit-of-perfection/7
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/NZXT-Phantom-630-Gaming-Case,20293.html
I must say that case is definatly good i just hope these PLE guys can get one mailed in for use
thanks fo your help guys only have 8 days to wait until i can order
Should i SLI 2 670's they have 5% less performance than a 690 for 600$ cheaper
the 690 in aus costs 1400, while the 670s cost 798
If you are just wanting to spend the money for potential extra performance then sure go for the GTX 670 SLI setup over the overpriced GTX 690. That said I'm SURE there is a better use for the nearly 400 dollars.
Part of the reason for this is because there tend to be few games that take advantage of SLI/Xfire setups and thus the price you paid for that performance is rarely worth the money spent. But mostly because personally I would probably spend the money on another piece of hardware such as an IPS monitor or perhaps a WACOM digital tablet instead. If you ever plan to draw or edit photos the advantage of one those digital tablets over a standard mouse cannot be stressed enough.
Make sure the case don't have aeration holes on top of it. I bought one on my last update and the picture was without holes on top, only on the side, but the case wasn't the same as the picture. Anyway since then i'm waiting for someone putting any kind of liquid on it and every time i see someone with a drink approaching the computer i get all nervous and have to stop them. Worth thing i ever bought.
I tend to find TTL's reviews to be quite thorough and for the most part pretty darn fair (be warned they are LONG). GIven the price that is asked for the Matrix it didn't really go over well in his review. Just something to think about while you check out some of his other reviews for cards you might be interested in. You can also just skip to the end if you just want a quick recap and final score.
Yeah i watched it a couple days ago the website i am using deos not include any good ones apart from the matrix.
Many reviews say that the matrix is a good card where as logans review is particularly bad so im not sure what to go by.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_matrix_hd7970_platinum/15.htm
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_Matrix/31.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_7970_review_matrix_platinum_radeon,25.html
Also i can get a 670 4gb or a 680 SC evga card for around teh same price but i would rather stick with radeon
The matrix is the only good card on ple as teh other ones are the XFX cards
I just dont know what to do
because if the 7970 matrix is taht bad then i might aswell just get the 670 in sli ?
The biggest complaint is the Matrix really falls in line with the GTX680 non reference cards in that while they aren't bad cards by any means they tend to be overpriced for the slight performance boost they offer. Will the Matrix beat even a single OC'd GTX 670? Yes assuming you didn't get a lemon. However when a game/program can and will utilize SLI properly two GTX 670's will almost always beat the Matrix. It's really a matter of whether or not the cost difference is justified and will you be using games that take advantage of an SLI setup.
Also keep in mind short of just maxing GFX options for the sake of turning everything on (this generally doesn't increase actual visual performance over lesser settings btw) there really is no need for anything over a GTX 670 in the 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 screen resolution range. If you intend to go beyond that then sure spend away and just remember that AMD tends to do better in the 3 or more department while Nvidia tends to shine at dual screen setups.
Since you seem to prefer AMD does the site you are looking at offer the 7990's?
no they dont offer 7990s i will be upgrading monitors in the future though its just that teh 670 build requires me to go mid tower and a gene motherboard because i still want the oc capacity of the rog range
its just i need this to last a while and i accidently found out about the 670 SLI price when i was messing around with their menu of parts haha.
I like the matrix because of the fact that i can run fine on any game i can and will throw at it and even at higher resolutions than 1080p but then again a 670 sli would dominate that
But the idea of Crossfireing another matrix is appealing and if i go with the single matrix card i would definatly get another one when i get another job for crossfireX
im pretty sure a matrix can beat some non reference 680s aswell and some members on the ROG forums have even beaten the direct cu top 680 and msi lightnings so im not sure what i want.
This place im getting the matrix from also runs it with the never settle bonus now so thats even more value combined with the v formula and 3770k should make an intresting system for me to get my hands on haha
Well I would say if you prefer AMD or at any point in the future plan to use at least 3 monitors, especially as a "single screen" just stick with the red team. Both of the computers in my house use the Asus GTX680 DirectCU II OC editions and I personally couldn't be happier by their performance, whether it's gaming for me or advanced photoshop for my wife. The Matrix is more in line with the card above ours known at the TOP edition which means I would say based on my experience thus far you won't be disappointed at all.
SLI/Xfire can be a decent option but honestly after a LOT of research and listening to those with more knowledge than I have I've come to the conclusion there are VERY few cases where it actually makes sense. If you were for instance going for a full 6 monitor Eyefinity setup, Hell yeah you would be looking at a Xfire setup most likely using two 7970 Ghz editions at that (wind tunnels). Or if you happen to be running a dual 30" screen setup then SLI could be a good option. Outside of those the extra money spent is more about epeen than FPS (the bench charts pretty much prove this, I mean is hundreds of dollars more worth 10 FPS when you are comparing 60 to 70 FPS?).
thanks for the help
ill be looking forward to ocing my matrix card haha 
and on a plus side i also get the storm stryker full tower or HAF X 
( still cant make up my mind lol ) the 680 Cu II card was my very first choice as its only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7970 but ive been using amd for a year now and find it a nice brand even with some of teh bugs ive experienced on my hd6870m card such as grey bars of death and stuff