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Where are all these rabid sandbox supporters? I know a few besides me and one has even stopped posting about sandbox games entirely. So this is just made up nonsense. There are far more people who are fanatical supporters of GW 2 and other triple A ThemeParks than there are sandbox supporters.
The reason this particular game got so much flak is because Skyrim is so much more like a sandbox title, yet the developers instead of doing the expected thing of creating Skyrim Online, they went the ThemePark route. They deserve every bit of flak they get for it.
You dont see me going on about Neverwinter Nights or other ThemePark rubbish coming out because I dont give a shit about those IPs. But this is friggin Elder Scrolls and they are making a ThemePark out of it, that is just insane on so many levels.
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Good thing Elder Scrolls Online copies the same open world exploration centric gameplay the single player RPG's follows then huh?
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
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Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
You should really read up on the game, the game is not an open world. It will have zones and instances.
You see, in The Elder Scrolls Online, players will be given the option of setting their own play preferences. Players will be asked what sort of age groups they want to play with or what playstyle preferences they have (ex. PvP, raiding, etc.) and the game will intelligently match up players of like interests when sorting out the populations of zone instances. Instead of just shuffling players into different zone copies by simple load metrics, The Elder Scrolls Online will give players the option of tailoring the community they share the world with to their own individual preferences. The game will even remember players you’ve interacted with and place you in zone instances with them if they’re online. Neat!
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/6846/Megaservers-vs-The-Elder-Scrolls.html
Thank you. I'm not a big FPS fan either, but you don't see me on the Planetside forums saying that their game deserves to fail.
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I'm not saying the game should fail. I'm not commenting on information that hasn't been released but I am very disappointed by the race/area faction locks. You can't control how other people respond but you can control how you respond. We need to make sure that we're not fueling the hate and just stick to reasonable debate.
I'd like to know where they are as well. I think many moons ago I got halfway excited about Salem, but that wore off pretty quick.
Well, if you have better news, please post it here.
All we are doing is posting a fact. And the fact is that an IP known for classless, free-roaming, non-linear exploration in an open world is putting its name on a game that the developers themselves have said will be based on class-delineated, closed-off, linear gameplay n a restricted world.
This is not good news for lovers of TES.
I couldn't agree with you more noncley. I don't want to offend people who like what ESO is planning but it's a messy business aruguing over opinions.
If Zeni never announced faction locks NONE of us would be having this conversation. I could not imagine anyone fighting for an Elder Scrolls game to confine players to factions and areas because of what race they choose.
lol not true at all.. maybe you wouldn't be but many others still would be. Even with no faction locks it's still a themepark afterall
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I respectfully disagree. Most of the arguments I've seen here and in other forums started with faction locks. You are right that there would still be people wanting a fully sandboxed game but the hate would've been far less intense. Most people accept that TES games are a mixture of sandbox and themepark and we could not have the same freedoms as in a SP game. I feel the type of gameplay is overshadowed by the freedom we get to develop our characters.
With that said this is my opinion, the only support I have is the amount of people focusing on faction locks rather than the sandbox angle. We will never know for sure how it would've effected the community.
what i find funny is people that think they're justified when they point out all the things they love about a game or company and demonize anyone that speaks about the bad things they think about the game or company.
the people who critisize and generally just let their feelings out about a particular upcoming game(even if they're negative) have just as much moral right to do so as the people who only sing praises and optimismistic views.
just my thoughts
ps. inb4 if you don't like it, why post here-type stupidity
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Color me stupid, but it didn't take me long to figure out Skyrim wasn't a sandbox, just radiant quests that more often then not, were akin to fetch/kill 10 bear quests.
I dunno, guess I'll reserve judgment on ESO's themeparkiness till it's released.
Actually you can win by ignoring them or posting positive things. Those haters seem to hate that quite a bit
There are plenty of posters who obviously feel slighted by the direction this genre took.
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I respect that but how would you have felt if they didn't lock factions, or never even mentioned it? I couldn't see people fighting for this option if it was never on the table.
Personally don't mind faction locks in some games but imo it doesn't fit in an Elder Scrolls game. Even the era which they are depicting was barbaric and orderless, it would've been near impossible for everyone from a race to support one cause (with the High Elves being an exception). I feel like there are other ways to make each side feel unique without taking away the freedom many have came to expect in an Elder Scrolls game.
So what defines a Hater from a Critic?
What defines the line between Objectivity & Cyncism?
I don't like what I'm seeing from ESO, but I like other TES Games, and I am not so petty to compare a Singleplayer's game features to that of an MMO. Much of what is going into ESO sounds similar to what GW2 has done, and I love GW2, but at the same time im not comparing them either.
So which am I? A Hater, A Critic, or a Non-conformist?
I wonder...
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When all the fanatic swtor supporters finally saw that there were legitimate problems with the game they, for the most part left here.
I'm sure once all the information is out, And thus the truth of it all. One side will be silent.
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I'd survive, but I'd still prefer they locked them. I think it worked really well in DAoC to make the Realms feel unique.
Looking forward to it.
I don't care about games being "sandboxes" per se (as different people seem to mean different things by that). I care about games giving me a lot of options, especially options outside of combat. and I care about those options weing well-implemented.
After all, the thing that appeals to me about the TES games is the open world, free-roaming, variety and distraction based gameplay. If this game can deliver on that online, it's worth a go in my book. Though I have to say they got strike one on the free-roaming thing; denying access to enemy territories is not a good idea in my book. I hope they haven't shut the door on that.
Seeing as the Lore Master at Bethesda himself says you're wrong is plenty enough reason for me to believe in the company that created the lore and backstory over some internet personna with an agenda.
With that being said, yes the lore doesn't expressely say there were factions liek this but neither does it say they weren't. Seeing as Matt Firor is the brains behind both DAoC and the low amount of MMO's who've used this 3 faction system it isn't out of the realm of the believable to go with this style of conflict as opposed to the open conflict or 2 faction conflict both of which has been done to death over the course of 15 years of MMO.
Call me crazy but I prefer to play and explore systems in which have hardly been done over something that is the industry norm.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
This. Apparently people don't see the difference here between the usual hating machine and TESO's situation.
If this game were based on (almost) any other IP or created its own (much like Rift did), "hating" would be quite less vocal. Call it "Abracadabra Online", with 3-factions PVP and some elements of semi-action combat and it would have had its own legitimate following.
Using the ES IP which is all about free and sandbox content they shot in their feet and they're going to get suppression fire all the way to release (and even more after I presume). And rightly so.
In the first announcement interviews the devs even cited WoW as one of their main point of reference for developing TESO (and the community backlash was such that they kept silent for weeks).
So there are a lot of motivations and informations for us not liking the development of this game. And this is called "Disapproval", not "Blind Hate". Of course it is as legitimate for others to like it of course.
PS: This talks remind me about an IP which already had its own sandox game and got a supposedly successful and multi-millionaire themepark translation with tons of promised features and, above all, true to the IP spirit and soul.
Go figure: they called it SWTOR and we got a bad WoW-clone with lightsabers. So, again, we have plenty of motivations and precedents to be skeptic about TESO.