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The Death of the MMO - thoughts on
Sibcoe
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Hey Steamers -
I wanted to share this thoughts on episode with you guys, covering "The Death of the MMO" genre. I think that the genre is facing some uphill battles in its current form, and at the same time is evolving into something else. Check it out and let us know what you think:
Death of the MMO - thoughts on
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I wanted to share this thoughts on episode with you guys, covering "The Death of the MMO" genre. I think that the genre is facing some uphill battles in its current form, and at the same time is evolving into something else. Check it out and let us know what you think:
Death of the MMO - thoughts on
Cheers 0/
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Evoloving yes dieing no.
People will always be looking to play these types of games with others. The solo mmo player seems the be the one most unhappy with mmos. I'm sure a new genre of games dedicated to them isn't far off. Games like GW2 are probably it's baby steps.
My perspective: evolving yes, dieing yes. Death of the old makes way for the new.
I don't like it, but that in itself changes nothing.
An almost incoherent rant, with little content when you try and wright down what was said in order to respond.
Reminds me why I prefer to get memoranda and discussion papers rather than having rambling meetings with no agenda.
Basically, MMOs are vapid eye-candy, designed to placate the average gamer and serve as a platform for social interaction (which is mainly just chatting). Creating a detailed, complex MMO would take a long time and a lot of money. It's simply too big of a risk for game developers and, thus, I will never play a game that is capable of holding my interest for very long.
My term for this is "kill things, take their stuff". And you are quite right. 99% of the content is based on this.
Well the guy in the video almost gets the real problem.
He does talk about one of the largest problems, and thats about community. Developers are responsble for community tools to bring people togeather. However he turns around and changes the solution to be adding content. he thinks adding content will keep players. This helps, but the andswer is community.
Community = keeping players playing......Then add content !
Auto grouping does not make a community
Dungeon finders does not make community
Easy game play does not make community
Mega servers with zoning does not make up community
*sigh* Another sensationalist statement "MMOs are dead" made with rose-tinted glasses on. The video starts wrong, and proceeds going downhill fast... didn't bother watching it through.
Its like starting with "The earth is actually flat". Nothing good can follow after that.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
But for me personally mmo pve is dead. It hasn't really evolved beyond EQ2 / wow over the past decade or so and has gotten very stale and boring.
Hoping to see how TESO turns out, hope it isn't wow pve yet again. There's potential there if they can replicate the pve of skyrim, which is a much better pve experience than you get in mmos. Or even if it ends up old school daoc pve that would at least be different and imo better than your wow clone style pve.
Essentially unchanged from AD&D, all these years forward, yes.
But this revelation surely cannot be a stunner, to anyone who remembers these games are...games? Gauntlet, evolved? DOOM, grown up?
The disappointment is strongest in those who expected these essentially simple entertainments to replace lives and last forever.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
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While I am looking forward to Neverwinter and Elder Scrolls Online there are plenty of other titles releasing in the near future like ArcheAge, EQNext, DF:UW and Pathfinder (even though I am not interested AT ALL in those).
The Hyperbole is strong with this one.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
"Eventually the game lost all its players. It's still going today. " - regarding UO
He then goes on to say that EVE Online is struggling because it doesn't have World of Warcraft numbers. "Not even barely a million active users," as if that's the norm for MMOs.
I stopped there. I doubt anything else beyond that was anything more than just more assumptions and rose-colored UO/EQ pining. However, I can easily see the video being a shrine for many here to worship at.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Well, at least it's not DAoC pining, that got pretty thick, earlier this week.
The target oldy game changes from day to day, but the QQ is consistent and eternal.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I found myself guilty of that one, as well, as I sat here squeeing at the thought of a new DAoC.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I honestly don't ever remember leaving a MMO because I ran out of content....Now community issues I have left many times but never content.
Hey everyone -
I really enjoyed reading all the comment, and am pleased this got a good discussion going. One of the most satisfying aspects of making videos like these, is analyzing a topic and thinking you have it well covered and logical, then to see so many different opinions, it is really amazing. I love that.
I think the MMO of old is dead. I don't expcet to ever see another UO/EQ, and that is fine and good, probably if I was presented a new EQ today, I would not play it, I dare say most would not.
I tihnk some MMO games with a small playerbase, like EVE are really good games, but too niche to support a genre, that is why I called them out as not being repersentative of a htriving genre.
I think these are all important debates to have, sorry some of you did not find value in the video, I would love to hear what you would enjoy watching - game/topic/style etc.
More to come from RTG.
Cheers 0/
I've never actually left any game due to community or lack of content. The only reason I've left a game is because I'm bored with the content being offered.
Well, language is funny. I wished people would stop calling mmorpgs mmos as that makes things less clear and leads to exactly what you are complaining about. SO call mmorpgs mmorpgs and not mmos.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
More like evolving and changing.
I didn't watch the video, but I suspect it's the same old "Mobile gaming gonna kill the MMOs!" - I find it far more likely that clever developers will start to integrate their MMO's into mobile platforms, through linked mini-games, apps like WoW's armory, etc...
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Sorry Sibcoe, but you came to the wrong forum to have a real discussion. They don't happen here with potentially hyperbolic titles. That's all they need to see in order to reject and end the discussion.
The video didn't conclude that mmorpgs are dead. Basically what it was was 10 minutes of preface to tell us how awesome that bucket of failsauce Marvel Heroes is going to be.