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EXPLANTION: EVE SERVER PROBLEMS
foobik
Member Posts: 28
for those of you who were wondering WHY the servers went down last night, ill explain.
i explain here because the EVE ISD are Nazis and will simply remove any posts or threads explaining what happened. people are getting forum banned for 24 hours if they simply ask whats going on on the forums. (which i think is f*cking rediculous)
anyway, a new guideline was implemented by CCP not long ago concernig corporation, alliance and player names, they have added to the "taboo" list names that are related to any terrorist/extremist faction. (like say, you name your corp "the taliban").
due to this, two corps had thier names revoked from them, and changed to "evecorp 359837593blah..." they were S.A.S. and 4S. apparently due to people petitioning thier names. after some angry words were exchanged between the GMs and S.A.S, S.A.S were granted thier corp name back, but 4S were not.
because of this, 4S and the entire NBSI alliance (and anyone else who thought this was unfair) were to stage a protest in Jita (one of the most populated systems in the game) in the form of turning up as many people as possible in shuttles, and sit outside the M4 station to cause extreme lag, to the point the node would crash.
and, suprisingly enough, it worked. and well. not just one node but half of the nodes crashed, the login server crashed for both the main server AND the test server.casuing 50% of the game to drop and be unable to log back in for hours, whilst the half unaffected stayed ingame never to log back in if they quit.
my personal view on the situation is that 4S should pick thier toys up off the floor and get lost, because taking down half the games nodes just for a name( all of which couldve been solved on the QT very easily). a few people have been banned, i think they all should be.
but me being me, i also am opposed to the way the GMs and ISD handled the situation. by rampaging around the forums, trying to cover it up by forum banning everyone who asked why the servers were down and claiming that everything was in control (when it clearly wasnt, and down for approximatley 6 hours, it takes an exact 10 minute count to start up the servers)
i was one of the fmany who got forum ban, because i made and posted this.
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Thanks for the "explanation", but I want to add a quote from a Moderator.
Eris Discordia [Forum Moderator]
"It's not sure they [4S] caused the problems. No more witch trial hunting talks."
That might explain - there is nothing to explain, since CCP wants to sort out what happened exactly, without pointing fingers. Yes, 4S *may* have caused the problems, but don't you agree that it's a good thing by CCP not blaming theproblems on somebody and doing a bit of research first? They deleted those threads because those thhey would only lead to flame wars.
Some say the ISD is moderating harshly, but on the other hand they usually have a good reason for it.
And calling them Nazis to any extent is, sorry for the harsh words, f****** stupid.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
If the name is offensive and/or has anything to do with a real world organization, then it should be banned. If they don't like it, they can leave.
This is an RPG, and should have nothing to do with anything realworld.
Were here to have fun.
I say we all war dec 'em.
It was 4S alright and they even admit it. Also these who were there could check shuttle owner info and not to mention picture taken of one gates where there was spam of named something as 4S. Whole lag/crash didnt effect me as I wasnt playing lastnight that time, but there is no excuse for trying to crash server and should not be awarded with anything less than perma ban.
This is the so "mature" eve community? No. Just bad apple...
Edit: actually come to think of it. Maybe temp ban and apology from these who were involved from 4S would be enough.
i can see ISD removing flamebait for a reason, but why remove threads and banning people who simply ask whats going on?
There are 2 threads where people could talk about the issue that should suffice or? Opening new threads about the same incident is really annying, also for me as a reader of the forums. And about your question. If people ask what is happeing and CCP can't give answers yet other players give "answers" which may be true or not. And even if 4S say that they crashed the server it still may be not true - very likely but not 100%, because they can't say for sure.
Regarding the name change of 4S itself I am not sure if CCP acted well, but keeping order in the forums was necessary imo, to prevent ugly words and flames (which spilled through a bit nonetheless).
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
First: The forum rules always had a clear rule: no pictures in posts, they're only allowed under certain circumstances. Adding insult to injury is just a faster way of getting a nice warning. Read the rules, by posting on the forums you have agreed to them, don't go blaming the volunteers who punish you for not following them.
Second: You could have just asked what hapened in the official thread that got stickied - new threads got deleted because they were cluttering up the forums. 1 thread about 1 subject is more than enough, no need for 3000 threads on the same problem.
Third: ISD are volunteers who are spending a lot of free time keeping the forums clean of rubbish like this. If you don't want to lose their respect, just post a link to the picture, and not something like that.....
Fourth: The gm's and the devs get harassed by a lot of immature kids who think that they should change the game to the way they like it and that they should get cancer because they don't get their ship back after they afk'd their Nightmare through 0.0 space. I can't help but respect the fact that they still dare to post on the forums and stay in contact with the players, even through all that crap that comes their way.
Fifth: The line on names has to be drawn somewhere. Naming your corp with a ticker [SS] will get you banned. But where do you draw the line? at [KGB]? at 'Al Quaida'? At 'Republican Party'? (no, i don't put republicans in line with terrorists or secret agencies - it's an RL name to make a point, i did not mean it offensively.) The line has to be drawn somewhere. You can try and negotiatie your way out of it, but the fact that this isn't as simple as it sounds should make you at least think long and hard about whether or not to attack the gm's for doing their job.
You're playing an mmorpg. Face the fact that you're playing with mroe people than yourself - and put yourself in the shoes of the devs/gm's.... And that goes for each and every mmorpg out there. If you can't face the fact that you're not always on the #1 spot of bitching to the devs, just leave mmorpg's alone and go play mario or something.
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A: The naming policiy has been around for ages.
B: If corps name get changed to evecorp 348034 its just temp, the CEO gets to pick a new name.
C: Even though i originally agreed that your name should be reverted back since even though ot technically did break that rule, the policy was being streched.
I will now be quite happy to see every single one of you Permabanned though. Serves you right for your digital terrorism.
If enough corps get together and declare war on them, we can bankrupt them if not anything else.
Lets just blow them right out of the universe for there childish crap.
War, War, War,......
I was in jita to have a look last night(one of my rl friends is in 4s)
and all i have to say is GOOD GOING
If pitbulls could lock their jaw the first pitbull would still be hanging on
Astounding. Godwin'd in the second sentence of the thread. Somehow I think prohibiting a conversation topic on a privately owned message board is quite a bit different than exterminating millions of Jews, but that may just be me.
I love how people called CCP racists, or Nazis. Seriously who the hell are they going to be racist against?? They're Icelandic!!!!! They have no quams with any race. Unless they're pissed that Greenland has all their ice.
I think they're doing the right thing by sticking to their policy.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
But they gave the name back to Brits and didn't to Serbs. Rasists? No. Nacionalists? Well, close if you ask me. National discrimination is punishable in european countries.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
I think if it would have been a direct relation to a Brit organization that had been convicted of war crimes, they probably would have done the same thing. But I don't think one exists, so better luck next time I guess.
Here's a question. If the corp's name was Swastika, and they got their name changed would you want them to get their name back?
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
No, I don't think they should get it back. However if CCP is going to not give it back to them I do expect them to go back and clean up all the corp names that are issues. There are quite a few that have nationalist implications. And that is the reason they gave for taking it and not giving it back, unlike SAS. If they aren't going to do that then yes, they should get it back.
As for them tanking the cluster, it was wrong of them to do yes. However its not like I am not used to that lately anyway.
Very funny flash btw, I had to laugh.
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well, the way i see it. both parties are in the wrong. should 4S get thier name back? no. but mostly because of the way they acted. bringing down half the game and ruining a few paid hours of 10,000 people. after all, its just a name.
but, what do CCP do to handle it? they sticky a thread which explains nothing, except to say "theres a problem". and then delete and ban all the threads when people ask whats going on. should they delete the threads? maybe, it does clutter. should they forum-ban those who ask? no, not at all. i see no reason for it.
i made the flash to lighten the mood, and that it did the few minutes it was there.
Let me just clarify some facts to you...
4S name hase been changed to EVEcorp 895895 after a petition from some guy that found it offensive, and some younger GM banned a name without contacting anyone from 4S corp, or making a pre-note of the namechange.
4S corp didnt wanted to bring flames on forums, and tryed to keep it as calm as posible, since 4S stand for 800 years old Serbian slogan (Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava - Only Unity Saves The Serbs), it is a National coat of arms, and is official insignia of Serbia as a country that is a part of UN, and it hase meaning only for serbians, and noone else... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samo_sloga_Srbina_spasava_(Only_unity_saves_the_Serbs)
After 10 day long ignorance from the CCP, and finaly statement on Dev Blog http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=287&sid=119423425 it was the only way to bring the antention of GMs to start negotiations with 4S - to do something like that: make huge unplayable lag in Jita sistem.
However, that action is not the reason why server failed, which has been officialy statement, but did couse GMs reaction to start talking to 4S and working out the name problem... CCP hase found their self in much more than just a EULA breach, they offended the entire country to be a war crime country, without a single evidence of such proclamation, and now trying to buy some time, and prolly get out of that mess clean.
I simply feal sorry for people that think that 2-3 hours of their EVE day without EVE, is the biggest problem in their life, and hope that will feal the double standards on their skin some day.
That day will come soon if CCP dont make public apology to 4S, and admit that they are wrong about this one, cose many ppl will start petition each other...
Actually if you read the blog, they didn't reference a country at all. They specified the logo. They said exactly
"Upon researching 4S, it was determined that the 4S slogan is a nationalistic slogan that, while old and honorable, has also been used by the militia and/or police during the war in Yugoslavia."
Then if you read on, there's a response by the same dev that says
"The catalyst for 4S' name change came as the result of some web research. ... 4S has been referred to in numerous war crime tribunal documents, associated with Radovan Karadzic and atrocities commited by those under his command."
They never make mention of any country, except locating where a war took place. It's the same thing as someone who claimed the Swastika as their name, and sincerely had it because it's an old sanskrit symbol that means well-being. While it does mean well-being it was also used by the Nazis.
They make a point of noting that the slogan is old and honorable, but since it was misused by the militia and/or police during a war it can't be used as a corp name.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
Idiot
I don't really understand your post, seeing how Swastika is a slogan that means "well-being" and is seen all over the world and dates back way further than 4S, yet I'm an idiot for mentioning it???
Or perhaps I'm an idiot for saying that a British organization hasn't been convicted of war crimes.
Either way, I find it hardly idiotic. What I do find idiotic is calling someone an Idiot for displaying their opinion on a forum that was meant for "discussion."
Or maybe that was your answer to my question. For clarification, it was a yes or no question. Please try again.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
Nationalist, racial, or whatever the slogan is, good or bad. If its a realworld organization it has no place in a game.
If it has offended the Serbs, then they should not have brought it in here.
That is the whole idea of banning the damn name is to keep idioits like all of you from posting racist, nationalistic comments in here that has nothing to do with the game.
Leave the realworld out of the game. If you want to play that crap then get out of the damn game.
U seam to be loosing the point here:
NOBODY own a coat of arms of an country... NOBODY own a flag of an country, and NOBODY own a slogan that is being used by serbian people for ages. Some bunch of people somewhere haid insignia's on their sholders, and they did some bad stuff in war, or not. someone lost a familly member in that war, and now feels offended when he see a 4S ???
If that was the reasoning that should take place, there would be milions of people feeling "OFFENDED" when they see american flag, dont you think?
You cannot tell that all Serbs are criminals becose some group of people used a official flag of Serbia in war, and was not a Serbian millitary.
and one more thing ... there is no such a military organization called 4S. so this namechange was clearly out of nacional discrimination, or a simple rushed desicion by some GM. Soon it will be Prooved. but it wouldnt happend without that protest
No, you don't have a clue. None of this belongs in the game. Why are you running on about flags, discrimination, and mentioning countries. They don't have anything to do with the game.
Exactly the reason 4S was banned.
You don't have a clue.
OK, I agree with you on that one, it shouldnt be bringed to game. It could be just some corp with nuber 4 and a letter, but some dumb idiot petitioned it.
I bet there are 80 % of corps that are linked to RL, wanna ban them all??? would you still be playing the game if all corps are baned, and all people that had that names of their corps for over 2 years sudenly have to change all they have achived ingame. I bet thay would go and play some other game, and quit EVE. Would you play it then?
You dont just start changing a corp names after 2.5 years. they messed this one totally
dont u dare start playing MMORPG unless u want to be hooked