Well, you surly can't talk sense into any of you guys, so you'll just have to wait until we are done the game, then we'll see whose laughing. Plus, if it really makes you happy, thehacker11 changed his name to victor(on his free will, hes not even aware of this thread) and he removed everysignle post with swear words. Again, those screenies are uber old, again, I told you im hiring people to do custom graphics, again the beta test is not 20 dollars a month forever. We know a few people who would have boughten it, because they have became attached to the forums and the development of the game, thats why we did it. If we chared 1 dollar, it would still only be the same people. This isn't vaporware, you have no proof of that, and it's going to get finished. Cmon guys, your all just repeating the same facts after I perfectly answer them. You will see when it's done, the more you guys post here, the more I want to get it doe to proove to you... I'm not trying to compete with blizzard or jagex... I'm trying to just get a game up and running. Again, with the private servers, we have the source code to runescape now, kaitnieks.com ois just full of them, and they are not exe files, they are .class files, you get the source code, you compile it, or you add your on features in, and this has really scared jagex and made them lie to everyone. Nowadays I'd say there are around 50 working private servers out... COurse there are fake ones on google. So anyways, yeah we do not scam either, you go over there and scam and watch what will happen to you. Everyone at these forums are extremly intelligent, there is no leet speek, and we all like coding games, and cheating(not scamming) in runescape. And like I said, those are hella old screenies, and they are placeholder models for now. They do the job fine for now.
edit* Bout the runescape money contest... It's a contest where you pay a few mill gp, and we have a draw, someone wins a free lifetime memebrship. Not the most professional, but you need to realise something. Our users are like 12-15. You think they care? I play games because they entertain, I wouldnt stop playing a fun game because tey had a contest to win a free lifetime membership, and it involves another games currency. We know everyone on our forums play runescape, so we thought it was a good contest. Everyone wants to help so far, if you guys dont want to help, then don't, we don't need anyone miserble on our forums.
Did I just hear right that you have the source code to another game, and are simply editing it and using it for your own game, as well as charging people for it? You do realize that you're killing your own game yourself just by the things you're saying... right?
Also, no offense meant again with what I'm about to say. But, as a frequent and long time MMO player, I would not only not purchase a game from a company whose developers can't seem to use proper grammar and spelling. No, I'm not saying that as a flame. I'm saying it as a customer of many online games. I would question the credibility of a company or game developers by how they come across to me. If they can't come across as intelligent, then I won't likely trust their product.
Seriously, I never said that? Where did you see me say that? I never ocne said that im editing another game???? Please quote where I said it, and I'll be happy to fix that mistake.
I use proper grammar on our forums, and you'll see our forums are we recenlty pruned a lot of accounts, gotten rid of 100's of posts, and have corrected all swear words off of the forums. I may not use the best grammar on these forums, as I can't bother to take my time, as no one will care here.
Also for the other person with the 12-15, fyi, I am 15(That doesnt mean im in-experienced. I have been scripting since 12, so I have 3-4 years of experience), and the other guy is either 16 or 17. I like to think of our mmo as a community project of our own. We're working hard but were not a large gaming company, you need to realise that. Were not attempting to get 100k players, my only goal is a few thousand within a few years of release.
Ok, so anyways I decided basing on this forum, that some more original content would be nice to have. I was planning to get a lot, but there are a few things I was going to keep, so I still need to think about this, but I think i'm going to hire a 3d modeller for like 75-100 dollars a month or soemthing, just some other kid(that has talent) with spare time to help. I just wanted you guys to realise were really serious about this, and it's not vaporware or a joke, and Im sure just about everyother person says that, but I do mean it. I have thought about your criticism, and am going to use it constructively. I was being a little offended and defensive, but I just got accepted for a job, so soon I can pay for a modeller, and get this started better. So I'm sorry for responding like a jerk, but I can be a bit stubborn or offensive at times. For the last hour or so I was playing with textures, and some neat 3 poly grass models that look very nice, and really made some things come to life. Thanks for posting here, it changed my mind about a lot of things, and only made me more dedicated towards this project.
Originally posted by jamie_afelhe Also for the other person with the 12-15, fyi, I am 15(That doesnt mean im in-experienced. I have been scripting since 12, so I have 3-4 years of experience), and the other guy is either 16 or 17. I like to think of our mmo as a community project of our own. We're working hard but were not a large gaming company, you need to realise that. Were not attempting to get 100k players, my only goal is a few thousand within a few years of release.
You must have made a typo then as you have yourself listed as 25 in the user details...
You must have made a typo then as you have yourself listed as 25 in the user details...
Well when I signed up, by default it was set for 1980, I just left it. Gi ahead, try, you'll see that by default it is set for 1980. I never enter my age or address or anything like that when signing up for stuff.
I'll just repeat it again. You're killing this for yourself. Creating games is a matter of trust. I would never entrust money to a fifteen year old.
You realize you're not even old enough to get trademarks for this, or to even legally publish a game if you plan on distributing it at all... right? By most standards, if you were to have an NDA (non-disclosure agreement), you yourselves as the creators would not even be old enough to sign your own NDA.
So hey, if you wanna have a game that you and your real life friends can play, go for it. If you want to have something that a few thousand people are going to pay to play, I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't even be legal, as you are not 18 and are not old enough to sign any legally binding contracts of ANY kind. If you can't even sign any, I don't see how you could write up one and make any other people sign it.
You guys don't give it a rest do you? I apologized yet everyone comes up with every possible way they can to either flame the game or say im not trustworthy. You could give me 1 million dollars in paypal, ask for it back and I'd give it back. I am trustworthy, and just because I'm 15 doesnt mean anything at all. What does age have anything to do with it? Am I going to run off with your money? No, because you need to realise I'm not retarded. I know all the risks involved, I know how to secure the game, and the other admin is certified for this. I can coptright all I want, and there are no laws to my knowledge about age, my aunts friend used to work for a copyright agency here in canada, and she told me a little something about copyright laws. So unless they changed it I dont think tahts true. Even if it is, I have parents, and I have a older brother, I pay him, he copyrights it, all fixed.
If you think I'd scam you because im 15, then I think your just a little snob.
In the US, I know for a fact that a person under the age of 18 can't make a legally binding contract. The example used was a new car: If a 15 year old makes a contract for a car and the title is solely under her name, then she can "return" the car the day before her 18th birthday and they must refund her the original purchase price.
As for an NDA, if you typed one up, someone could break it and you would have no legal grounds for suit against them. A respectable company is not likely to provide services to a minor either, so you might want to ask Mommy to sign off on your legal things.
Your work is copyrighted upon creation, just document it. There is no need to formally copyright it unless you just want further verification...but if someone steals the work and you have documented evidence of its creation prior to them, then you still own the rights to it.
I think your best bet would be to give Mommy the title of owner of the company should your game ever make it to completion. It would make the legal side of things much more...legal.
If this is what I need to do, I'll get my brother to do that, so he's officially titled as the owner of the game, or whatever.
I am aware of it automatically being copyrighted, it's called common law copyright or something, so I can always gather up my evidence, I do have some, but not enough, maybe I should star making backups (on cd's)of every step of the game, or whatever else I can think of, but when we need to copyright something, either my brother will do it, or another admin/his own connections.
Originally posted by jamie_afelhe (...) If you think I'd scam you because im 15, then I think your just a little snob.
No giving money over the internet to a complete stranger that is 15 is moronic. Most countries there isnt any real punishment because you are a child infront of the law, so no people wont throw money at you.
Paypal cannot demand money from a minor, so if someone does paypal you 1 million dollars you can keep it. (In a court the giver of money wont have a chance because he knew he was giving money to a child, actually if its a donation its even harder to get the money back). Im not sure but I think paypal does not allow minors to have an account (or was it a merchant account?).
Also do notice all games get critized, so far there are valid arguments as to why this particular mmorpg is vaporware. If you cant accept that, well too bad.
Im also very honest, so give me the source code & I will help you , I will even give back the source code if nedeed (do notice the sarcasm). Point being: people do not believe someone is honest just because they can type it out.
Originally posted by jamie_afelhe (...) If you think I'd scam you because im 15, then I think your just a little snob.
No giving money over the internet to a complete stranger that is 15 is moronic. Most countries there isnt any real punishment because you are a child infront of the law, so no people wont throw money at you.
Paypal cannot demand money from a minor, so if someone does paypal you 1 million dollars you can keep it. (In a court the giver of money wont have a chance because he knew he was giving money to a child, actually if its a donation its even harder to get the money back). Im not sure but I think paypal does not allow minors to have an account (or was it a merchant account?).
Also do notice all games get critized, so far there are valid arguments as to why this particular mmorpg is vaporware. If you cant accept that, well too bad.
Im also very honest, so give me the source code & I will help you , I will even give back the source code if nedeed (do notice the sarcasm). Point being: people do not believe someone is honest just because they can type it out.
I know what your saying, but a game with all custom content, and something THAT WILL be released is not vaporware. If you can't accept that it isn't, then too bad don't post here, I know I wont be anymore. Yeah I was lying I'm going to but thousands and thousands and thousands of work into a game, then run off with your monye, if they don't believe me, then I will repeat myself for the 100th time! THERE WILL BE A FREE VERSION! Thats gotta be some valid proof that I'm not going to run off with your 5-6 dollars. If you think I'm going to scam you, good for you, but it won't happen. I sure as heck wouldn't give out money to some 15 yearold that said, can I borrow some money I pay right back. But when it comes to something with way more than enough proof, and that 15 yearold is more intelligent than many many other people, then I would trust him. Also, seeing as im willing to pay someone 75 bucks a month to make models for me(salary will increase, thats starting price because im not going to pay you 200 a month if your crappy) should also tell you something. If anyone at all here, who can make low poly 3d models, and texture and animate them very good, then come work for me if you want. I can't get you started for another 2 months or so though.
jamie_afelhe, I'm not going to say anything about your game and your ideas. But I will say this: Look at every major MMORPG out there on the market nowadays. Who are they made by? A team of experienced programmers. Look at their forum boards and the posts made by the developers and forum moderators. How are they written? Clearly, concisely, courteously, with good grammar and spelling. Look at their websites and see how they're designed. Laid out intuitively, with easy to get information and a clear sense of good design. The bottom line is, they reek of professionalism, even in the early stages of game development. Now take a look at what you and your team are doing. How far do you think you'll get?
Any response you make to refute my point will only further prove it, so save yourself the potential humiliation and refrain from commenting.
You guys don't even know 1% whats planned to happen. so just please let this thread die, I don't want anymore posts after this one.
Just keep it at this, we are not showing much profesionalism because we defintly are in early development stages. When were a bit furthur, i'm going to hire someone for like 200 dollars or more to make an awesome website for us, and if you do look at our forums, they cursing has been removed, and there are a lot of fun mods installed into our forums, so we can't get a new skin. Expect changes in the future, and i can promise this wont be the last time you hear of us, now please just let this thread die, I don't want anymore posts here until we get furthur and I can get us all professionalized, but thats a few months down the road. Like I said, you guys don't know 1% of whats planned or what were even going to do about this. We discuss these matters everyday, and you will see changes later on I promise.
I would just keep silent about what the game is bringing to the developing world until you can at least create a professionally done website about it. There is much more to a game than just making empty promises. (I know.. you think everything will be great. But until there is proof, they are empty promises)
So, I would simply advise for now making a website listing features of the game, screenshots, etc.. And not a free site either. Register a domain, buy some webspace, and learn html or get someone who knows html to make the site for you.
Then, put out information through the site and make sure it is all in order. Professionalism is the key. Anything less and people will doubt you, as this thread proved.
Im not sure what your saying, we do have a site, it is not a free site, it does list many features, I do know html(I'm just a messy coder with it). Our site is www.afelhem.com some very broad basic information is www.afelhem.com/library.html ignore the ugly layout, and the library's wording is completly temporary.
Originally posted by jamie_afelhe (...)Our site is www.afelhem.com(...)
Well on those officials forum I can see: Selling Items Selling items for real money. Afelhem gets 25% Buying Items Buying Items with real money. Afelhem gets 25% As forum headlines (empty forums), so Afelhem is going to have buying & selling ingame items with real money?
I do hope you realize the problems with this (legally its a maze that few lawers understand) & people will whine & throw lawsuit threats (even more) if they loose some item because of a database error or such.
Then you have the problem of taxes ,those 25% you get count as profit? sale? transfer? People selling items on ebay/IGN/etc will also be a problem.
Hey I never noticed that, must have just been added today. I agree this ruins the game economy, and would have some legal issues. I've been away from forums for a little while, so I didn't see this. I completely agree with you on this one, I'll see what I can do about it.
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Well, you surly can't talk sense into any of you guys, so you'll just have to wait until we are done the game, then we'll see whose laughing. Plus, if it really makes you happy, thehacker11 changed his name to victor(on his free will, hes not even aware of this thread) and he removed everysignle post with swear words. Again, those screenies are uber old, again, I told you im hiring people to do custom graphics, again the beta test is not 20 dollars a month forever. We know a few people who would have boughten it, because they have became attached to the forums and the development of the game, thats why we did it. If we chared 1 dollar, it would still only be the same people. This isn't vaporware, you have no proof of that, and it's going to get finished. Cmon guys, your all just repeating the same facts after I perfectly answer them. You will see when it's done, the more you guys post here, the more I want to get it doe to proove to you... I'm not trying to compete with blizzard or jagex... I'm trying to just get a game up and running. Again, with the private servers, we have the source code to runescape now, kaitnieks.com ois just full of them, and they are not exe files, they are .class files, you get the source code, you compile it, or you add your on features in, and this has really scared jagex and made them lie to everyone. Nowadays I'd say there are around 50 working private servers out... COurse there are fake ones on google. So anyways, yeah we do not scam either, you go over there and scam and watch what will happen to you. Everyone at these forums are extremly intelligent, there is no leet speek, and we all like coding games, and cheating(not scamming) in runescape. And like I said, those are hella old screenies, and they are placeholder models for now. They do the job fine for now.
edit* Bout the runescape money contest... It's a contest where you pay a few mill gp, and we have a draw, someone wins a free lifetime memebrship. Not the most professional, but you need to realise something. Our users are like 12-15. You think they care? I play games because they entertain, I wouldnt stop playing a fun game because tey had a contest to win a free lifetime membership, and it involves another games currency. We know everyone on our forums play runescape, so we thought it was a good contest. Everyone wants to help so far, if you guys dont want to help, then don't, we don't need anyone miserble on our forums.
"We know a few people who would have boughten it"
" Our users are like 12-15"
Are you sure your users are the only ones that are 12-15?
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Did I just hear right that you have the source code to another game, and are simply editing it and using it for your own game, as well as charging people for it? You do realize that you're killing your own game yourself just by the things you're saying... right?
Also, no offense meant again with what I'm about to say. But, as a frequent and long time MMO player, I would not only not purchase a game from a company whose developers can't seem to use proper grammar and spelling. No, I'm not saying that as a flame. I'm saying it as a customer of many online games. I would question the credibility of a company or game developers by how they come across to me. If they can't come across as intelligent, then I won't likely trust their product.
Seriously, I never said that? Where did you see me say that? I never ocne said that im editing another game???? Please quote where I said it, and I'll be happy to fix that mistake.
I use proper grammar on our forums, and you'll see our forums are we recenlty pruned a lot of accounts, gotten rid of 100's of posts, and have corrected all swear words off of the forums. I may not use the best grammar on these forums, as I can't bother to take my time, as no one will care here.
Also for the other person with the 12-15, fyi, I am 15(That doesnt mean im in-experienced. I have been scripting since 12, so I have 3-4 years of experience), and the other guy is either 16 or 17. I like to think of our mmo as a community project of our own. We're working hard but were not a large gaming company, you need to realise that. Were not attempting to get 100k players, my only goal is a few thousand within a few years of release.
I'll just repeat it again. You're killing this for yourself. Creating games is a matter of trust. I would never entrust money to a fifteen year old.
You realize you're not even old enough to get trademarks for this, or to even legally publish a game if you plan on distributing it at all... right? By most standards, if you were to have an NDA (non-disclosure agreement), you yourselves as the creators would not even be old enough to sign your own NDA.
So hey, if you wanna have a game that you and your real life friends can play, go for it. If you want to have something that a few thousand people are going to pay to play, I wouldn't count on it. It wouldn't even be legal, as you are not 18 and are not old enough to sign any legally binding contracts of ANY kind. If you can't even sign any, I don't see how you could write up one and make any other people sign it.
You guys don't give it a rest do you? I apologized yet everyone comes up with every possible way they can to either flame the game or say im not trustworthy. You could give me 1 million dollars in paypal, ask for it back and I'd give it back. I am trustworthy, and just because I'm 15 doesnt mean anything at all. What does age have anything to do with it? Am I going to run off with your money? No, because you need to realise I'm not retarded. I know all the risks involved, I know how to secure the game, and the other admin is certified for this. I can coptright all I want, and there are no laws to my knowledge about age, my aunts friend used to work for a copyright agency here in canada, and she told me a little something about copyright laws. So unless they changed it I dont think tahts true. Even if it is, I have parents, and I have a older brother, I pay him, he copyrights it, all fixed.
If you think I'd scam you because im 15, then I think your just a little snob.
In the US, I know for a fact that a person under the age of 18 can't make a legally binding contract. The example used was a new car: If a 15 year old makes a contract for a car and the title is solely under her name, then she can "return" the car the day before her 18th birthday and they must refund her the original purchase price.
As for an NDA, if you typed one up, someone could break it and you would have no legal grounds for suit against them. A respectable company is not likely to provide services to a minor either, so you might want to ask Mommy to sign off on your legal things.
Your work is copyrighted upon creation, just document it. There is no need to formally copyright it unless you just want further verification...but if someone steals the work and you have documented evidence of its creation prior to them, then you still own the rights to it.
I think your best bet would be to give Mommy the title of owner of the company should your game ever make it to completion. It would make the legal side of things much more...legal.
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If this is what I need to do, I'll get my brother to do that, so he's officially titled as the owner of the game, or whatever.
I am aware of it automatically being copyrighted, it's called common law copyright or something, so I can always gather up my evidence, I do have some, but not enough, maybe I should star making backups (on cd's)of every step of the game, or whatever else I can think of, but when we need to copyright something, either my brother will do it, or another admin/his own connections.
Paypal cannot demand money from a minor, so if someone does paypal you 1 million dollars you can keep it. (In a court the giver of money wont have a chance because he knew he was giving money to a child, actually if its a donation its even harder to get the money back).
Im not sure but I think paypal does not allow minors to have an account (or was it a merchant account?).
Also do notice all games get critized, so far there are valid arguments as to why this particular mmorpg is vaporware. If you cant accept that, well too bad.
Im also very honest, so give me the source code & I will help you , I will even give back the source code if nedeed
(do notice the sarcasm). Point being: people do not believe someone is honest just because they can type it out.
Paypal cannot demand money from a minor, so if someone does paypal you 1 million dollars you can keep it. (In a court the giver of money wont have a chance because he knew he was giving money to a child, actually if its a donation its even harder to get the money back).
Im not sure but I think paypal does not allow minors to have an account (or was it a merchant account?).
Also do notice all games get critized, so far there are valid arguments as to why this particular mmorpg is vaporware. If you cant accept that, well too bad.
Im also very honest, so give me the source code & I will help you , I will even give back the source code if nedeed
(do notice the sarcasm). Point being: people do not believe someone is honest just because they can type it out.
I know what your saying, but a game with all custom content, and something THAT WILL be released is not vaporware. If you can't accept that it isn't, then too bad don't post here, I know I wont be anymore. Yeah I was lying I'm going to but thousands and thousands and thousands of work into a game, then run off with your monye, if they don't believe me, then I will repeat myself for the 100th time! THERE WILL BE A FREE VERSION! Thats gotta be some valid proof that I'm not going to run off with your 5-6 dollars. If you think I'm going to scam you, good for you, but it won't happen. I sure as heck wouldn't give out money to some 15 yearold that said, can I borrow some money I pay right back. But when it comes to something with way more than enough proof, and that 15 yearold is more intelligent than many many other people, then I would trust him. Also, seeing as im willing to pay someone 75 bucks a month to make models for me(salary will increase, thats starting price because im not going to pay you 200 a month if your crappy) should also tell you something. If anyone at all here, who can make low poly 3d models, and texture and animate them very good, then come work for me if you want. I can't get you started for another 2 months or so though.
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jamie_afelhe, I'm not going to say anything about your game and your ideas. But I will say this: Look at every major MMORPG out there on the market nowadays. Who are they made by? A team of experienced programmers. Look at their forum boards and the posts made by the developers and forum moderators. How are they written? Clearly, concisely, courteously, with good grammar and spelling. Look at their websites and see how they're designed. Laid out intuitively, with easy to get information and a clear sense of good design. The bottom line is, they reek of professionalism, even in the early stages of game development. Now take a look at what you and your team are doing. How far do you think you'll get?
Any response you make to refute my point will only further prove it, so save yourself the potential humiliation and refrain from commenting.
You guys don't even know 1% whats planned to happen. so just please let this thread die, I don't want anymore posts after this one.
Just keep it at this, we are not showing much profesionalism because we defintly are in early development stages. When were a bit furthur, i'm going to hire someone for like 200 dollars or more to make an awesome website for us, and if you do look at our forums, they cursing has been removed, and there are a lot of fun mods installed into our forums, so we can't get a new skin. Expect changes in the future, and i can promise this wont be the last time you hear of us, now please just let this thread die, I don't want anymore posts here until we get furthur and I can get us all professionalized, but thats a few months down the road. Like I said, you guys don't know 1% of whats planned or what were even going to do about this. We discuss these matters everyday, and you will see changes later on I promise.
I would just keep silent about what the game is bringing to the developing world until you can at least create a professionally done website about it. There is much more to a game than just making empty promises. (I know.. you think everything will be great. But until there is proof, they are empty promises)
So, I would simply advise for now making a website listing features of the game, screenshots, etc.. And not a free site either. Register a domain, buy some webspace, and learn html or get someone who knows html to make the site for you.
Then, put out information through the site and make sure it is all in order. Professionalism is the key. Anything less and people will doubt you, as this thread proved.
Well on those officials forum I can see:
Selling Items
Selling items for real money. Afelhem gets 25%
Buying Items
Buying Items with real money. Afelhem gets 25%
As forum headlines (empty forums), so Afelhem is going to have buying & selling ingame items with real money?
I do hope you realize the problems with this (legally its a maze that few lawers understand) & people will whine & throw lawsuit threats (even more) if they loose some item because of a database error or such.
Then you have the problem of taxes ,those 25% you get count as profit? sale? transfer?
People selling items on ebay/IGN/etc will also be a problem.
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