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RSP Mechanic ?

cmacordcmacord Member Posts: 6

In Foundational Principal #6, Mark keeps talking about the "rock, paper, scissor mechanic". What is it? I have never heard of this before, and its meaning is not clear to me from the context of his writing.

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  • grimjakkgrimjakk Member Posts: 192
    Originally posted by cmacord

    In Foundational Principal #6, Mark keeps talking about the "rock, paper, scissor mechanic". What is it? I have never heard of this before, and its meaning is not clear to me from the context of his writing.

     

    That refers to the design idea that one class archetype should always be weak to some other class archetypes but strong against still others.  That way the idea of 'class balance' can be de-emphasized in favor of 'realm balance'.

     

    Examples from DAOC :

      - cloth casters and ranged bowmen could burn down tanks at range but were automatically interupted by any melee attack, so were defenseless against stealthers that could sneak up and engage them.

     - stealthers were glass melee cannons who could rip through any cloth wearer in moments, but would be snared, stunned, and  beaten down by any tank that managed to get within melee range of them.

    - tanks were tough and could interrupt the movement (shield slams - and I think most had some form of snare, but I could be misremebering) of their targets, leaving lighter armored classes "meat for the beast ", but were vulnerable to ranged attack.

     

    And the brilliance of the general RPS design in a three-realm RvR game:  is that there are ANY number of specific class mechanics that can be implemented, as long as the overall relationship is maintained and attention is given to overall realm balance.

  • SpeelySpeely Member CommonPosts: 861
    Grimjakk with the very succint synopsis.

    Like many others, I never realized how much I loves the RPS dynamic until I played games that didn't use it. It really does work.
  • shadeviceshadevice Member CommonPosts: 68
    Originally posted by grimjakk
    Originally posted by cmacord

    In Foundational Principal #6, Mark keeps talking about the "rock, paper, scissor mechanic". What is it? I have never heard of this before, and its meaning is not clear to me from the context of his writing.

     

    That refers to the design idea that one class archetype should always be weak to some other class archetypes but strong against still others.  That way the idea of 'class balance' can be de-emphasized in favor of 'realm balance'.

     

    Examples from DAOC :

      - cloth casters and ranged bowmen could burn down tanks at range but were automatically interupted by any melee attack, so were defenseless against stealthers that could sneak up and engage them.

     - stealthers were glass melee cannons who could rip through any cloth wearer in moments, but would be snared, stunned, and  beaten down by any tank that managed to get within melee range of them.

    - tanks were tough and could interrupt the movement (shield slams - and I think most had some form of snare, but I could be misremebering) of their targets, leaving lighter armored classes "meat for the beast ", but were vulnerable to ranged attack.

     

    And the brilliance of the general RPS design in a three-realm RvR game:  is that there are ANY number of specific class mechanics that can be implemented, as long as the overall relationship is maintained and attention is given to overall realm balance.

    Spot on explanation. gg.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Originally posted by cmacord

    In Foundational Principal #6, Mark keeps talking about the "rock, paper, scissor mechanic". What is it? I have never heard of this before, and its meaning is not clear to me from the context of his writing.

     Non-transitive.  a>b>c>a

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  • grimjakkgrimjakk Member Posts: 192
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by cmacord

    In Foundational Principal #6, Mark keeps talking about the "rock, paper, scissor mechanic". What is it? I have never heard of this before, and its meaning is not clear to me from the context of his writing.

     Non-transitive.  a>b>c>a

     

    Heh.  Um... yeah.  What he said. ;)

  • cmacordcmacord Member Posts: 6
    Got it.....thanks !!!!!
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