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WellzyC
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Reading the “ask us anything” today defiantly shed some light on a few aspects, but also made me raise an eyebrow on some topics they covered. From what I can read about how they described the combat, it is very Guild Wars 2ish.. This actually doesn’t make me feel very good.
I didn’t care much for the combat and play style of GW2, and from reading some of the answers in this post it seems like they are taking that route with a lot of the mechanics.
Would you please explain the soft locking system in detail? For example, how does it interact with dodge? Does it apply to melee attacks, or just ranged? During missile travel time, is it possible for another target to intervene between you and your existing soft lock target to take the attack?
You must be facing your target to hit it. However, soft locking allows you to pick a target out of a crowd to hit. It is possible that your target could be behind another target. You would hit the target you had soft-locked, provided you were aiming at them. Another target could not step in the way of the soft-locked target to prevent you from hitting your soft-locked target. As for dodging? The target can execute a roll dodge or evasion move to avoid attack.
I would assume your aiming reticle (if there is one) has to be hovered over your soft lock target in order for the spell or attack to work? Also the dodge system sounds very close to gw2's dodge system, which I did not care for in the slightest.
With so many people fighting in the world alone or with groups what will be done to stop people stealing kills and XP? – By Danny Blades
Put simply, there is no reason to steal kills. We grant XP to both people for killing, and we have a looting system which makes it so both parties benefit from kills.
I really don't know why anyone would ask this question. When has KSing ever been a problem in any mmo made after 2005? Waste of a question, plus they have covered this in pretty much any ask the dev video or interview.
I have a question about your targeting system for combat, from what I've heard there will be a soft targeting system. My question is: How does this system work in raids/large PvP groups for healers? Will healers have a hard time finding players, and keeping track of their group’s health? – By Jacob Avila
Soft-lock targeting doesn’t really affect healing because you don’t have to find your target to heal them. You don’t target allies. Most of our heals are area-of-effects (AoEs) or cone effects. To be effective, you might want to stay in the middle of your allies for AoEs or face them for cone effects. Healers will need to be aware of their environment of course, and pay attention to the battle.
This also distrubs me. I CANNOT stand ground AoE heals, or cone HoTs or any of that garbage when Im playing a healer. I want to target you, and heal you. Ground AoE heals are very annoying and frustrating because 1) they always heal for crap, and 2) fights require too much moving around to make them effective. As a long time healer I cannot stand this, GW2 ground healing was complete trash.
How will the bow and arrow system work? Will it just be auto-aim and auto-shoot kind of thing or what? – By Gabriel Bera
Like any of our combat, you must aim at your target to hit them. Bows will have a charged attack, meaning they hit harder if you hold down the left mouse button longer.
This I like, Draw time, Draw speed, Aim to hit. Prob the only thing on this blog that made me smile.
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There were some other questions on there, but I just feel that they are trying (deliberately or not) to be like GW2. And I hate to say it, but everything about that game bored the hell out of me, especially the combat and dungeons.
I want characters to have rolls and deep combat, not jack of all trade classes with no dedicated healers or other rolls. Hopefully the application sounds better than the written.
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WoW copied form many MMOs (and still do). Is there a reason why TESO cannot pick some concept from GW2? Although, dodging isn't being taken from GW2, both Skyrim and Oblivion have perks that allow you to dodge. In TESO, it cost stamina, the resource that is used by the stun breaker, stealth , melee weapons attacks, blocking, etc. Doesn't have anything in common with GW2 dodging.
TESO is as much inspired from the single player Elder Scrolls game (Skyrim mostly) as it is a MMO. This mean active aiming for everything, action combat and other un-MMO-ish features.
As for group roles, they are in the game. It is trinity based. The example given had 2 healers, 1 dps and a dude playing the tank who wasn't specced for it. The difference with other MMOs is that your weapons, armor, attribute points distribution and skills loud-out define your role, not the class. Classes are more like themes. Everyone will be able to max all weapons, armors and utilitarian skills (like stealth). But you can't play all roles at the same time, you have to pick, and because of level up choices you won't excel in everything.
Finally, I suggest you lose your preconception about healing from previous MMOs. ZOS is seems to have their own idea of how this should be working and they are the one balancing the game.
Finally, I've been subjet to and observed multiple case of kill-stealing and ninja-looting while playing SWTOR at launch. Still very much alive to me.
You really are hung up on gw2. Anyways this post is a god awful.
I agree in that pretty much who loves healing in MMOs is going to hate this. Non-target healing could be the most boring sort of MMO gameplay I know.
I also don't care for MMO dodge mechanics, either.
Actually I agree with the OP on almost all points.
And your response was good?
Anyway, agree on most your points, including the bow mechanic. And it does sound very much like GW 2's combat. However I kind of liked GW 2's combat; not as good as TERA but still much better than TAB target+hotkey combat. Also it seems that trinity will be in this game which is good and bad. Good, because I prefer it over whatever is in GW 2 but bad that they are not trying to branch out. For example I preferred the way it was in AC 1 (or skyrim even), where you had a set of skillpoints which you could distribute as you like and which in turn would allow you to make a tank mage or swordwielding, archer with some magic, if you wanted to. Class-based systems are so simplistic and linear...
Also I dont like stricly AoE healing either, it takes away a tactical element of healing (who to heal and when) and just turn you into a walking healing battery with pulsating heals, boring.
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This AMA has soured me a bit on the game for the same reasons the OP listed. Also, it seems like they're answering different questions that what they're posting:
"How important will the 'holy trinity' be in PvE endgame/raids? Will dedicated tanks and healers be required, or will lighter armored characters be able to utilize the dodge system well enough to serve as competent tanks? Will healers need to focus entirely on healing, or will a more offensive spellcaster be able to sustain his group via spot heals? – By Lynx
Let’s have some fun here. This is what one of our internal testers sent out on Wednesday, February 27th. This email is unedited other than removing the ending of the letter which would sound a little too self-congratulatory of the tester.
So in summation, we’re pretty happy watching the progression system allow people to play the way they want in the groups they want to play in."
That email answers literally zero of the questions that were asked.
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Well, actually liked that Ask Us Anything about Combats.
Since GuildWars 2 I feared the healer's death. But its not like this. Okay ... It turned out to be a cone/aoe-heal in TESO, but at least you can spec your character into healing. Though I would really prefer singletarget healing to be honest.
Since I likely won't touch a bow I can't comment on the rest. Actually ... I really hope that dodging will be some rare issue. I didn't like that you are able to avoid ALL kind of damage and effects - it doesn't matter how fookin' big it is - by dodging in GuildWars 2. You can't just dodge a nuke, man. Dodging makes things more easymode. Dodging through a hostile zerg full of AoE-damage spells shouldn't negate all damage.
But it does answer it. Just in an oblique way.
The answer is "no, you don't need a stereotypical dedicated tank or dps though you might need some sort of healer; but the builds were not stereotypical builds and they were able to run through the content fine.
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The problem is simple. I was a healer in wow for 4+ years. The issue with targeting healing is "HealBot". Your screen will be full of 40 health bars and your game play consist of clicking those bars.
You are assuming AoE heal will be weak and be useless. Maybe in ESO, healing is less improtant, and healer might dps 40% of the time and heal 60% of the time. Maybe the tank can't get one shotted like in other MMO.
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Ready this today it sounded more like the Age of Conan combat system rather than GW2. The healing especially with only AoE and cone heals, almost identical. Not that it is a bad thing. I've played a healer in almost every MMO I've played and Age of Conan was the most enjoyable healing experience (loved my Tempest of Set, topping damage and heals in most raids).
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This is probably the worst thing of all of them. This means that in any "serious" fight, you will need to soft-lock your targets. The whole bit about "facing your target" sounds like you only need to be looking in their general direction. This doesn't sound at all like action combat. You have to face your target in WoW, too. I'm not crazy about the GW2-style dodging, either. It means that most damage will be completely unavoidable.
I'm not sure why they shy away from targeted heals. They could have made healing so much more interesting if you actually had to aim your heals. A skilled healer could have been noted in his/her ability to land heals on specific players in the heat of large battles, even with everyone moving around. I can't help but feel like they're trying to take a cue from GW2 where one is completely unneeded. GW2's lack of targeted heals made sense because they were actually trying to prevent healer from being a viable role.
At this point it seems like they're copying GW2 for the sake of copying GW2, but the wording makes it sound like the skills on a "Restoration Staff" will be the same regardless of your class. It's hard to say if that's better or worse at this point.
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After playing Age of Conan for three years and enjoying the combat style in GW2 for similar reasons I quite like the idea it will have similarities to be honest.
Combat is more dynamic with many of these elements, and with active blocking and dodging, should be reactive and challenging.
Unlike faction lock - I think their way of doing combat is theirs to ruin - because as things appear currently, it looks good.
As for whack a mole style healing, no you can use cones, aoes, pre shields, tethered heal beams etc.. examples - Aoc, coh, tsw, planetside
The whole "active dodge" thing is was irks me the most. And calling it active dodge to be honest is really misleading as to what that really is.
Active dodge, translation, you hit a button that makes your character roll and gives you a 1 second invulnerability.
Asheron's call had an awesome dodge system, you know what it was? When things came at you, you moved out of the way. If it missed you, suprise suprise, you took no dmg. Bolts, arrows, anything that came at you could be evaded if you moved fast enough. Granted arrows and the low power speed nukes were hard as hell to evade, especailly at close range, but thats what Made it fun.
I find it ironic that older games can do active combat way better than anything in 2012-13 when technology is getting better.
Im not trying to seem cynical about ESO, I want games to be fun, I want to like any paticular mmo, but just frustrates me when games keep moving in the wrong direction. Devs are making mmos less immersive with dungeon finders and load screens, the combat more watered down, and grouping less and less significant or enjoyable.
Just like being a huge snowboarder, but every single slop near you changed all their tracks to bunny hills to apease the casuals. Just annoying.
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