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Problem running games with new graphic card
zonjimasen
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After changing my graphic card, I seems to be running problem running certain games, esp the ones that's more graphic demanding. I used to be able to run almost all of my games albeit low fps in GW2's WvWvW/Saturated areas. Now, I cannot play Tera / SC2/ GW2 without of fear of crashing randomly, without reason.
To be precise, the problem started after I changed my graphic card and started to play Tera for the first time(just installed). At this point, other games worked just fine. Tera kept crashing randomly, regardless of high graphic/saturated area or not.
I tried to raise the Virtual RAM from 4 gb to 8 gb, but it seems now even GW2/SC2 is suffering the problem. I can still play League of Legends/Civ5 just fine for some reason.
For clarification, the crashes arent just game crashes, my computer just went silent and goes *poof* and restarts it self.
and for the record, im pretty terrible at hardware settings/configuring(my rig is preset when i bought it, only the graphic card was recently changed). Please inform me if I need to further elaborate any information regarding my computer.
Intel Core i5 750@2.67 GHz quad processor
(Not sure about the motherboard type)
4 GB RAM
Wester Digital Caviar Blue HDD SATA 640GB HDD
Zotac Nvidia Geforce GTX670 2GB
Edit : This is the actual/detailed info about my computer(preset), but its in Japanese.
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I think your power supply is too low wattage.
I'd 'guesstimate' you need at least 600w, 700w to be safe. What you have is 500w max.
If you havent already, reinstall the graphic drivers.
Check if ur psu is able to withstand the extra power usage and that it doesnt give to big drops.
Try run furumark for at least 1 hour, if it crash probably hardware problem. If so apply for RMA at your manufactor.
If it doesnt crash it software related most likely.
Using a ~200 W video card and a ~100 W processor with a power supply that is only rated as being able to deliver 360 W on the +12 V rails--and split between two rails, at that--means that in demanding games, you might well be running the power supply out of spec. Among the problems that can cause, game crashes are the least of your worries.
Also, Google results on that power supply made it look like it's commonly used in Acer and Gateway computers. Did you try to upgrade a prebuilt computer with a case that wasn't meant to handle a video card that puts out a lot of heat? If so, then you could easily have overheating problems, as the interior of the case will get very hot.
A high quality 500 W power supply would be able to handle that rig just fine, at least if everything is at stock speeds. The problem is that an honest rating on that power supply would be closer to 400 W.
thanks for the response so far.
I did reinstall the drivers(1st thing I did), along rechecking the drivers a few days before( Has been a month since i changed the card)
Im not really sure about the over heating problem. My room can get quite hot/too warm, due to terrible heater / air ventilation ( at most 26 C during winter-that's ~80F, but if I turn off the heater it stays on 14 C/ 57F), and even then it still crashes.
I guess it could be the power supply(most probably?), since I had no problem using the older card (GT320). Quizzical kinda make the point about my current power supply might havent the actual/effective numbers.
Assuming If i have to change the power supply, would my current case would be able to handle any case of heating problem? How extensive/heat producing is the 670 card is?
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Its the power supply most likely.
You went from a very low end card to a 670. I am suprised the power supply even had the PCI-E connectors to power it. That PC was not built to run upgrades. Try a decent PSU and I will bet that solves it.
I would also speculate that your issues are directly related to your PSU (no offense towards you but it's a pos, typical of Gateway). Can tell us your cases internal dimensions where the PSU sits and your budget for a new PSU? Then maybe we can to offer a more stable upgrade that should allow you to see the GFX performance your new GPU should be capable of presenting in your system.
Out of curiousity can you return the GPU? I ask because given your PSU and Case issues you would be better off picking up an AMD 7950, a quality PSU and a cheap but infinitely better case all for around the same price you most likely paid for that GTX 670 (based on the Japanese Amazon links you provided)
http://www.amazon.co.jp/GIGABYTE-グラフィックボード-Radeon-HD7950-GV-R795WF3-3GD/dp/B0073YDLTS/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1363239735&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.co.jp/オウルテック-シーソニック電源-S12IIシリーズ-ATX12V2-2-EPS12V2-92/dp/B003NAZZH2/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1363239886&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.co.jp/CoolerMaster-μATX-PCケース-RC-343-KKN1-JP-Elite/dp/B004TIQEF4/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1363240464&sr=8-9
Again these are just examples of what you could purchase within the same price range that will not only provide you with equal GPU power but will actually be an overall upgrade to your system in more ways than one. (I didn't do enough research into each part to see if they would work together, the GPU linked is a bit long and case is mATX but again they are just examples. Others are available if you can get a refund).
There are three different temperature issues that you have to address. Any one of the three can cause overheating.
First is the temperature of the air that gets blown into the case. Normally, this is about the same as the ambient temperature in your room, though if you hide the computer in a box or some such, you can make it substantially warmer. This is actually a very big deal for data centers when you have hundreds of servers in a room cranking out heat, but usually isn't a problem for consumers unless you live in a very hot area without air conditioning or are doing something stupid. I once caught my sister with a space heater pointed at the intake fans of a computer as she was using it to keep her feet warm.
Second is the temperature difference between the ambient temperature inside of a case and the air that gets blown into the case. If you've got good case airflow, you can keep this down to several degrees. But if you don't have any airflow at all in your case, the ambient temperature inside the case could easily be much higher than the temperature in your room. The CPU and GPU fans take air that is inside the case and blow it at a heatsink, and if they're blowing hot air at a heatsink, that's not terribyly effective.
Various components in your computer, especially the CPU and GPU, put out a lot of heat. Ideally, you want enough case airflow that hot air coming off of components quickly gets blown out of the case and replaced by cooler air from outside. If you don't have much case airflow, then you mostly take hot air that just came off of your CPU or GPU or whatever and blow it right back at the CPU or GPU.
The problem is that you don't have good case airflow. While the pictures on Gateway's site aren't that clear, it looks like you've only got one case fan, and no places to mount another. That's adequate for a low-powered system like what you originally bought, but not if you put a high-powered gaming card in it.
The third issue is the temperature difference between the ambient temperature inside a case and the CPU or GPU chip proper. Keeping this down is the responsibility of the heatsink and fan built into the video card or attached to the top of the CPU. You'll probably be fine here.
The temperature of your GPU is (temperature of air that gets pulled into the case) + (difference between temperature of air that gets blown at video card directly and temperature of air that gets pulled into the case) + (difference between temperature of GPU and temperature of air that gets blown at video card directly). The second piece there is what your case is responsible for, and is a problem.
A hot ambient temperature inside the case doesn't just make your CPU and GPU get hot. It makes everything get hot--including a lot of components that don't have a dedicated fan. That's bad for everything in your system, not just your video card. And Gateway probably didn't pick high quality parts that would handle heat especially well, as that adds to the cost. In particular, many power supplies have performance degrade as they get hotter.
High quality power supplies will commonly be rated as being able to deliver their rated power at 50 C or some such, precisely because the interior of a case can get fairly hot. Inferior power supplies will only claim to be able to do so at 25 C or so (and might not even be able to back up that claim), while having performance degrade as the power supply gets hotter.
Thanks for this. It's an angle for me to look at on one of my mysterious problems.