Originally posted by Silky303 I can't do anything about players who may or may not be cheating, hacking, exploiting, griefing or doing something considered black arts. Nothing.
But I can do something about players breaking forum rules by brazenly accusing players and squads of cheating. You want to cry about players doing x, use the channels laid out by the terms of service. Making post after post, thread after thread, ignoring warnings, considered pleas for call etc just reinforces the message that you're much much more interested in having a fun time throwing the accusations than you are interested in addressing any cheating or griefing going on
And as regards mod action, what makes you think mods know the ins and outs of who's in what squad and who did what when? Personally I have no idea who's in squad x or squad y and what the history of bad blood might be - it's important to you, go you. It's not something that's on my radar
Well thank you for telling us the limits of your job description. You can't do anything because your just a forum moderator. But you never know, if you follow the CRS line some more they might give you a position like Assistant Game Manager etc with a swanky badge and some more keyboard power over the few remaining players in game. Your certainly gaining yourself some brownie points at CRS HQ.
It is not a 'brazen' accusation when there is substantive evidence.
"Cry". Ha, I see what you did there, labelling anyone who exposes others as babies/children. Are players who are spending $18 a month and want to play war sim where exploiters are not allowed free reign cry babies? If their babies then i'm sure you and the other moderators are the 'big grown men' in banning the people that at least want to expose the exploiters so the community know who are the real players and who are the cheap ones.
I think you will find they would alot more prefer to have fun flying in game and actually being able to kill other players and not have them pulling their internet connection then get defended by moderators.
Very nice, another argumentive technique, make an imaginary example so complicated and absurb that it discredits the other side. Nobody ever said mods are all knowing of every player and squad so your making that up. In this particular case we are dealing with a certain GM, CHICKER, going out of his way to protect a player, swoop, in his squad who has admitted plug pulling, a game exploit.
You expect people to respect moderators when they are on such a power trip. Like another person alluded to earlier when a few males in a mostly male enviorment get a sense of power they want more and more and lose sense with reality.
Look at THRANCE's post count, 933,000+ posts?!?! I hope that is some error because how can you expect someone to be composed, fair and give people the time of day with an astronomical amount of posts like that.
Too much of the power is built on conservative "Yes" men willing to tow the official line to the extreme with their ego's ever growing as they become bigger fish in a smaller pond. The core is rotten.
Damn, lets hang them on the cheating issue this week! Next week the plan is to go with a combination of them not being able to "contract" out to do stats (LOL) with a twist of forum moderator bashing and hc drama. I have to say the ww2leaks guy wins my mvp award this week.
The more rocks you turn over, the more you see this company is completely without hope. On top of not being able to even provide the basics, much less anything new, they somehow manage to think strangling any negative talk about their dead product is really helping lol
News flash, half of this crap would be in your forum that no one actually talks in anymore and not being aired out here lol. The few left paying to play this pos are either die hard fanboys that will go down with the ship or people that accept most of the crap you put in the game. Please continue making this venue a much more relevant place than the actual game forum for my entertainment lol
Oh and as my favorite reminder...yeah I was right about hc/toe/ao back in 2004. Had you not spent all those precious resources on hc/toe/ao, RA, weather, new buildings that are actually worse (new bunker blows) and a myriad of other awful dev items, we would have a game that didnt revolve around one box of forced herd play with shit numbers
A) do you think any squad that essentially spammed a forum with a campaign of cheat accusation against any other squad would go unmoderated? If so, try it, in a month or so. Pick a forum and have 5 posters spam cheat complaints against a squad, and ignore all warnings to stop. See what happens
are you such a poor me victim in other areas of your life? I don't know you, if I moderated your WWIIOL account unfairly, I'm sorry. Your comments on the mod team really show that you have no idea how the mod team think, work and act. You paint us as the enemy, we're not. We're just players who volunteer to occasionally intervene when forum rules are breeched. There's no cabal of power hungry despots, keen to lord it over the players. We are the players. Your perspetive is skewed.
And great to see you on form OJ, spinning any topic around to how awesome you are and bringing AO/ToES to the party. I'm just disappointed you didn't ask for a server rollback
Originally posted by Silky303 Bodkin - couple of questions for you
A) do you think any squad that essentially spammed a forum with a campaign of cheat accusation against any other squad would go unmoderated? If so, try it, in a month or so. Pick a forum and have 5 posters spam cheat complaints against a squad, and ignore all warnings to stop. See what happens
are you such a poor me victim in other areas of your life? I don't know you, if I moderated your WWIIOL account unfairly, I'm sorry. Your comments on the mod team really show that you have no idea how the mod team think, work and act. You paint us as the enemy, we're not. We're just players who volunteer to occasionally intervene when forum rules are breeched. There's no cabal of power hungry despots, keen to lord it over the players. We are the players. Your perspetive is skewed.
And great to see you on form OJ, spinning any topic around to how awesome you are and bringing AO/ToES to the party. I'm just disappointed you didn't ask for a server rollback
All the accusations that we made were followed up with proof. Haven't you noticed that a lot of the people we call out end up unsubbing due to shame? Catching people for cheating and calling them out on the forums is a good thing, it keeps the game clean and free of cheaters. Assuming they leave the game, Swoop is a cancer and won't leave.
You really have nothing interesting to add about this conversation. Let's review who you are. You are a squishy, so you don't understand the air game. I don't even think you understand how easy it is to cheat in this game. Furtherore, you spend half your time closing any half-interesting thread in the forums.
There are very few people in this game who are an authority and really understand the air game and the cheating that goes around it and you are not one of those people.
I don't know why you think your moderator title gives you a reason to come over here and to start putting people down. Let the people who understand do that because you just look silly.
Also to keep this discussion going because I don't want to get hung up on a no one.
JG26 has been documenting and trying to pursue any sort of lead we have against Swoop for quite some time. He was the one that figured out the 'end process' cheat which wipes a kill after you die, he also figured out the 'time out bug' which wipes away a death as well but keeps your stats clean so it doesn't look like you cheated.
We have spent hours watching what he does in our fights against him and then hours trying to reproduce his exploits in internal testing. Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating? When the GMs did nothing, we went onto the forums and shamed people into leaving and we were succesful in getting some of the cheaters to leave such as Bogol, Skiini, Bakky (Pyromaniac), etc. The moderators came down on us but we are the ones that are cleansing the game. The moderators say the GMs are looking into what we say, the GMs say that it's not a hack (according to that screenshot), so what the fuck are we supposed to do?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
Also to keep this discussion going because I don't want to get hung up on a no one.
JG26 has been documenting and trying to pursue any sort of lead we have against Swoop for quite some time. He was the one that figured out the 'end process' cheat which wipes a kill after you die, he also figured out the 'time out bug' which wipes away a death as well but keeps your stats clean so it doesn't look like you cheated.
We have spent hours watching what he does in our fights against him and then hours trying to reproduce his exploits in internal testing. Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating? When the GMs did nothing, we went onto the forums and shamed people into leaving and we were succesful in getting some of the cheaters to leave such as Bogol, Skiini, Bakky (Pyromaniac), etc. The moderators came down on us but we are the ones that are cleansing the game. The moderators say the GMs are looking into what we say, the GMs say that it's not a hack (according to that screenshot), so what the fuck are we supposed to do?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
..and the context to this story is you referred the Hanger as your "Litter Tray" too.
Disrespectful of the other members of the community using it, you just saw used it as an environment for trolling turning the forums into a cesspool of "Deux", as did other members of the squad. So I find it interesting you are so interested in cleansing the game but disrespecting of the other memebrs of the community by flaming and being anti-social, completely anti-community minded in the forums - and quite a contradiction to what your stated objectives are here, no matter how laudable they are.
So when you do start posting again and again and again and again are you actually trying to get somethign rectified or simply carrying on the same things...perhaps simply a case of the boy who kept crying wolf?
Either way, act like a douche, get treated like a douche.
Lol silky ....these clowns cant even do the stats anymore much less implement my version of the game that would actually attract players instead of chase them away like they have perfected
Also to keep this discussion going because I don't want to get hung up on a no one.
JG26 has been documenting and trying to pursue any sort of lead we have against Swoop for quite some time. He was the one that figured out the 'end process' cheat which wipes a kill after you die, he also figured out the 'time out bug' which wipes away a death as well but keeps your stats clean so it doesn't look like you cheated.
We have spent hours watching what he does in our fights against him and then hours trying to reproduce his exploits in internal testing. Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating? When the GMs did nothing, we went onto the forums and shamed people into leaving and we were succesful in getting some of the cheaters to leave such as Bogol, Skiini, Bakky (Pyromaniac), etc. The moderators came down on us but we are the ones that are cleansing the game. The moderators say the GMs are looking into what we say, the GMs say that it's not a hack (according to that screenshot), so what the fuck are we supposed to do?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
Enigma, I'm sure you feel very noble but that doesn't get around the fact that you don't get to decide what rules are to be ignored or bent - you aren't a stakeholder in this discussion. You don't get to decide who to accuse of cheating or which subscribers to try and chase away. And because you don't get to decide what is permitted in the Hangar and what is not, you will always run the risk of being moderated and if you disregard warnings and appeals, you will be at risk of sanction.
Can we keep the personal insults and attacks to in game. Is there cheating or exploiting in game, yes. I have seen plug pullers all the time. Does CRS do anything about it when reported? There is some dobt that CRS punishes the people who exploit or cheat. The doubt alone should be cause for alarm at CRS, that means the playerbase questions the integrity of the game. What can we as players do, report it. It is all we can do. What can CRS do? They can investigate and handle it ingame thru means they feel best. What players would like is some sort of statement against the cheaters and exploiters and a show of support for the players who are playing fair and those who take the trouble to report bad players who cheat and exploit game mechanics.
Roses are red Violets are blue The reviewer has a mishapen head Which means his opinion is skewed ...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
You know why they have never done it OtotheJ? Because you make it easy for people to dislike you and easy for CRS to paint you as a trouble maker, when in fact I actually agree with some of what you want (see my posts elsewhere) but good god, learn to put a point across without sounding like a bitter shell of a man.
Your pompous attitude riles everyone except a few sycophants and gives CRS just one more reason to avoid the TOE questions. Instead they can reasonably say 'this guy just thinks he knows best', when in fact there is a discussion to be had and I believe they need to take away the game mechanics that are slowly killing the game, but I digress.
As per usual, people refuse to consider how they would react to criticism that is framed the way most stuff hurled at CRS is. People like Enigma are good players and have their heart in the right place, but they definitely consider themselves 'above the law' in these instances, or see it as a higehr purpose in some way. You have to understand that in a game such as this, your definition simply isn''t the same as everyone elses and vice versa.
I certainly agree with some of the things people are trying to say, but you guys need to be more considered in how you say it.
P.S. I understand from experience what it's like to do that and have Doc wade in and give some cryptic 'you only think you know what you know because you can't know' answer that just winds everyone up, but if you resort to name calling etc, you give them an easy out.
Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
So when you say cheat you mean stop it being showed that they were killed ? So it is actually about stat's, rather than an exploit that damages wider gameplay?
Considering they cant even get the stats working anymore, this is a pretty lawl topic
As you can see, stats are an integral part of the game that attracts players. Failing to provide a basic like this clearly shows the end is near. How many more players can an mmo that fields 150 peak server numbers shed?
And ffs let the pilots call out the loosers plug pulling in their forum. You sure as hell arent able to correct the issue in game, so you might as well let them call these scum out for some kind of justice in that dead ass forum anyway
Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
So when you say cheat you mean stop it being showed that they were killed ? So it is actually about stat's, rather than an exploit that damages wider gameplay?
Have I got that right?
How would you like it if you were in a tank battle and when you shot at another tank the player pulled their plug immediately once they saw that they would be about to be killed? It's not about stats its about the game being an actual simulator. People play 'Battleground Europe' not 'Pull Your Plug Europe'. People play to shoot at others in game, not have your enemy vanish when they are about to be killed (I'm sure thousands of allied servicemen would of loved to have been able to avoid dieing by 'vanishing' when they had a 109 on their tail.
What is the point of fighting when there is no chance of getting any satisfaction from it. I'm sure 5000+ players would love to play that...
Air battles are a different beast to tank battles of course. Tanks kills are typically surprises while with air battles the guy in the weaker position (espically with veteran pilots) they know a while before hand that they are going to get killed so can dart to the ground and pull their plug. Like Engima alluded not many of the people in prominent positions know much about the air game. Their ground people who see the air game as a side show and don't understand nor care very much about it yet will religously defend their fellow mods and CRS attitude towards it.
1. He died - one less fighter to deal with - win for my side.
2. If he pulled the plug/avoided a kill he's a sore looser.
If everyone was a sore looser, it would be a problem, but generally they are not.
Molehill to Mountain.
LOL you wouldn't care if the game was a side scrolling 2D shooter as long as it was called 'Battleground Europe'
Stug's good gameplay:
Player saps a tank. Tank driver pulls connection. Tank vanishes. Sapper does not get kill.
Epic
Everyone? Who is everyone? Do you speak for everyone? You do not understand the community nor the game. Your fanboy dedication is strong to the core. You should AOL chat with silky and fans (wait just you two) about how JG26, OJ, squads, paying subscribers have killed the game.
Anyway, like the way you always avoid the crux of what is said
I think you don't understand thr back story. There was a squad, JG52, that were more or less the white knights of the community and they even held some mod and GM positions. They were unable to do anything to get the rules changed. They were well respected, kind and did everything by the book, they changed nothing.
I saw nothing happening so I took another approach, make as much noise as possible and force hands. Let it by either focusing the conversation or chasing people from the game who cheated.
The fundamental problem is that the big decision makes either don't care or are not capable of understanding (shit pilot or a squishy). JG52 and JG26 never got people into high level GM or mod positions so we could not change policy. Xoom, ChKicker, GvonPaul etc are all pretty shit players. How are they even going to understand these complex issues and stop it?
1. He died - one less fighter to deal with - win for my side.
2. If he pulled the plug/avoided a kill he's a sore looser.
If everyone was a sore looser, it would be a problem, but generally they are not.
Molehill to Mountain.
LOL you wouldn't care if the game was a side scrolling 2D shooter as long as it was called 'Battleground Europe'
Stug's good gameplay:
Player saps a tank. Tank driver pulls connection. Tank vanishes. Sapper does not get kill.
Epic
Everyone? Who is everyone? Do you speak for everyone? You do not understand the community nor the game. Your fanboy dedication is strong to the core. You should AOL chat with silky and fans (wait just you two) about how JG26, OJ, squads, paying subscribers have killed the game.
So you are saying pulling the plug happens with armour all the time? Aircraft all the time?
Generally it is only committed loosers who can't take the hit on their pride, and whilst it could be an issue with a few names but it isn't the massive problem it is blown out if proportion to be. it's only a "OMGWTF BBQ!" problem because one squad has taken into its own hands to hunt such individuals down.
If you can't let 1 or 2 kills go, and the JG26 guys got tons, what is the problem?
WTF !!!!!, figured this would have been locked long ago. been keep up with this and seriously surprises me.
Time for some information to help you, but most here know the true information and are just hiding under a different name, other than what we have at our Secret Hanger Forum, but kudos to some here for displaying the name many know you from. I cant fall into that tho as I have to be incognito so no retaliation by my old squad happens.
JG26 had good intentions starting off in the game, but over time and the attitude our CO and with the additions of some other players, things really went to %$#, all the "Wanna Be Ganstas" and how the discussions would go on trying to make the playskool forums our own home and dictate how we wanted to stay in control by harassing and conspiring on how to run others off, we even would chat on our voice coms program on trying to set people up, I never participated which is why I didnt last, I tried to because our squad had and they still do, some great pilots.
Even trying to laugh at how the bragging would go on about who could post the most porn at the CRS forums before getting banned, or raciest pics and comments....but guilt would get the best of me.
The thing that used to confuse me and even now, is how passionate Enigma, Jester, and the others have for the game, some even still play, and would get so bent out of shape if things didnt go thier way ingame or in the forums and purposly try and disrupt or cause issues in the game and forums, I got my eyes opened up and how negative and destructive the squad was turning into and just couldnt be part of it even tho they never removed me.
I think what was my end time for even being involved anymore was how the discussion in our forums started getting more out of hand on how to get people banned, only because they didnt like that player, and how to do it in a way that made themselves look innocent.
So to get on topic of this thread, take what I say for what it is worth, or just dont , I will expect to get berrated by my old JG26 buddies, but I expect it. I am still here and around guys and still believe you have some good quallities but the respect is no more.
The game needs more upgrades for me and I really did flying with you all, great pilots but you really need to grow up and get off the internet game bullying, there is a real world out here you may have to work with, and it may not go your way.
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Brazenly accused squads and players of cheating? Lets see who has been accused
1. Pyro
2. Swoop
3. Rebel357
lets see who admitted to cheating
1. Swoop
Who left the game because they got found out
Pyro
Rebel357 was SEEN doing it
cheaters gonna cheat and apparently crs doesn't care. but hey chkicker said they are good guys just a bit misunderstood . calm em down, lulz lulz
its state sponsored cheating
Well thank you for telling us the limits of your job description. You can't do anything because your just a forum moderator. But you never know, if you follow the CRS line some more they might give you a position like Assistant Game Manager etc with a swanky badge and some more keyboard power over the few remaining players in game. Your certainly gaining yourself some brownie points at CRS HQ.
It is not a 'brazen' accusation when there is substantive evidence.
"Cry". Ha, I see what you did there, labelling anyone who exposes others as babies/children. Are players who are spending $18 a month and want to play war sim where exploiters are not allowed free reign cry babies? If their babies then i'm sure you and the other moderators are the 'big grown men' in banning the people that at least want to expose the exploiters so the community know who are the real players and who are the cheap ones.
I think you will find they would alot more prefer to have fun flying in game and actually being able to kill other players and not have them pulling their internet connection then get defended by moderators.
Very nice, another argumentive technique, make an imaginary example so complicated and absurb that it discredits the other side. Nobody ever said mods are all knowing of every player and squad so your making that up. In this particular case we are dealing with a certain GM, CHICKER, going out of his way to protect a player, swoop, in his squad who has admitted plug pulling, a game exploit.
http://imgur.com/v7ELVxX
You expect people to respect moderators when they are on such a power trip. Like another person alluded to earlier when a few males in a mostly male enviorment get a sense of power they want more and more and lose sense with reality.
Look at THRANCE's post count, 933,000+ posts?!?! I hope that is some error because how can you expect someone to be composed, fair and give people the time of day with an astronomical amount of posts like that.
Too much of the power is built on conservative "Yes" men willing to tow the official line to the extreme with their ego's ever growing as they become bigger fish in a smaller pond. The core is rotten.
Damn, lets hang them on the cheating issue this week! Next week the plan is to go with a combination of them not being able to "contract" out to do stats (LOL) with a twist of forum moderator bashing and hc drama. I have to say the ww2leaks guy wins my mvp award this week.
The more rocks you turn over, the more you see this company is completely without hope. On top of not being able to even provide the basics, much less anything new, they somehow manage to think strangling any negative talk about their dead product is really helping lol
News flash, half of this crap would be in your forum that no one actually talks in anymore and not being aired out here lol. The few left paying to play this pos are either die hard fanboys that will go down with the ship or people that accept most of the crap you put in the game. Please continue making this venue a much more relevant place than the actual game forum for my entertainment lol
Oh and as my favorite reminder...yeah I was right about hc/toe/ao back in 2004. Had you not spent all those precious resources on hc/toe/ao, RA, weather, new buildings that are actually worse (new bunker blows) and a myriad of other awful dev items, we would have a game that didnt revolve around one box of forced herd play with shit numbers
And thats one to grow on
A) do you think any squad that essentially spammed a forum with a campaign of cheat accusation against any other squad would go unmoderated? If so, try it, in a month or so. Pick a forum and have 5 posters spam cheat complaints against a squad, and ignore all warnings to stop. See what happens
And great to see you on form OJ, spinning any topic around to how awesome you are and bringing AO/ToES to the party. I'm just disappointed you didn't ask for a server rollback
SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL
"The hangar has been a mess for a while with calls of cheating on things that are NOT TOS offenses in game and I'm glad to see the clampdown"
The thread posted remained up for two days, with two pages. Who, other than yourselves,said CE should be banned?
If it were no big deal why was it immediately removed once seen here? They talk out both sides of their mouth,and got caught. Again.
Spinning the point does you no favours.
All the accusations that we made were followed up with proof. Haven't you noticed that a lot of the people we call out end up unsubbing due to shame? Catching people for cheating and calling them out on the forums is a good thing, it keeps the game clean and free of cheaters. Assuming they leave the game, Swoop is a cancer and won't leave.
You really have nothing interesting to add about this conversation. Let's review who you are. You are a squishy, so you don't understand the air game. I don't even think you understand how easy it is to cheat in this game. Furtherore, you spend half your time closing any half-interesting thread in the forums.
There are very few people in this game who are an authority and really understand the air game and the cheating that goes around it and you are not one of those people.
I don't know why you think your moderator title gives you a reason to come over here and to start putting people down. Let the people who understand do that because you just look silly.
Also to keep this discussion going because I don't want to get hung up on a no one.
JG26 has been documenting and trying to pursue any sort of lead we have against Swoop for quite some time. He was the one that figured out the 'end process' cheat which wipes a kill after you die, he also figured out the 'time out bug' which wipes away a death as well but keeps your stats clean so it doesn't look like you cheated.
We have spent hours watching what he does in our fights against him and then hours trying to reproduce his exploits in internal testing. Once we figured it out, we sent all of this information to CRS and they just sat on it. There have been also other times, where we know a known cheater is in our area and because we know we will kill him, we send a .report to an active GM to come follow this player. We already know who it is and where he is. Once we kill him, the person pulls the plug then comes right back into the game. GM does absolutely nothing and the stats show that he pulled it.
What is the point of playing a competive game of stats if some people are cheating? When the GMs did nothing, we went onto the forums and shamed people into leaving and we were succesful in getting some of the cheaters to leave such as Bogol, Skiini, Bakky (Pyromaniac), etc. The moderators came down on us but we are the ones that are cleansing the game. The moderators say the GMs are looking into what we say, the GMs say that it's not a hack (according to that screenshot), so what the fuck are we supposed to do?
They turn a blind eye to rampant cheating in the game.
..and the context to this story is you referred the Hanger as your "Litter Tray" too.
Disrespectful of the other members of the community using it, you just saw used it as an environment for trolling turning the forums into a cesspool of "Deux", as did other members of the squad. So I find it interesting you are so interested in cleansing the game but disrespecting of the other memebrs of the community by flaming and being anti-social, completely anti-community minded in the forums - and quite a contradiction to what your stated objectives are here, no matter how laudable they are.
So when you do start posting again and again and again and again are you actually trying to get somethign rectified or simply carrying on the same things...perhaps simply a case of the boy who kept crying wolf?
Either way, act like a douche, get treated like a douche.
Enigma, I'm sure you feel very noble but that doesn't get around the fact that you don't get to decide what rules are to be ignored or bent - you aren't a stakeholder in this discussion. You don't get to decide who to accuse of cheating or which subscribers to try and chase away. And because you don't get to decide what is permitted in the Hangar and what is not, you will always run the risk of being moderated and if you disregard warnings and appeals, you will be at risk of sanction.
SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL
Is there cheating or exploiting in game, yes. I have seen plug pullers all the time.
Does CRS do anything about it when reported? There is some dobt that CRS punishes the people who exploit or cheat. The doubt alone should be cause for alarm at CRS, that means the playerbase questions the integrity of the game.
What can we as players do, report it. It is all we can do.
What can CRS do? They can investigate and handle it ingame thru means they feel best. What players would like is some sort of statement against the cheaters and exploiters and a show of support for the players who are playing fair and those who take the trouble to report bad players who cheat and exploit game mechanics.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
You know why they have never done it OtotheJ? Because you make it easy for people to dislike you and easy for CRS to paint you as a trouble maker, when in fact I actually agree with some of what you want (see my posts elsewhere) but good god, learn to put a point across without sounding like a bitter shell of a man.
Your pompous attitude riles everyone except a few sycophants and gives CRS just one more reason to avoid the TOE questions. Instead they can reasonably say 'this guy just thinks he knows best', when in fact there is a discussion to be had and I believe they need to take away the game mechanics that are slowly killing the game, but I digress.
As per usual, people refuse to consider how they would react to criticism that is framed the way most stuff hurled at CRS is. People like Enigma are good players and have their heart in the right place, but they definitely consider themselves 'above the law' in these instances, or see it as a higehr purpose in some way. You have to understand that in a game such as this, your definition simply isn''t the same as everyone elses and vice versa.
I certainly agree with some of the things people are trying to say, but you guys need to be more considered in how you say it.
P.S. I understand from experience what it's like to do that and have Doc wade in and give some cryptic 'you only think you know what you know because you can't know' answer that just winds everyone up, but if you resort to name calling etc, you give them an easy out.
Its good for them to read about the reasons for their demise from the same prick thats been spelling out for the last decade.
They made the game they wanted and it blows by design.
So when you say cheat you mean stop it being showed that they were killed ? So it is actually about stat's, rather than an exploit that damages wider gameplay?
Have I got that right?
My conclusion:
JG26 and co want a clean game - exploiters known in the community
Mods and CRS don't want to rock the boat - exploiters protected
Attack the messenger and not the culprit seems to be the running theme here.
CRS and mods priorities:
Ego>Gameplay
Edited for truth, really.
E.g. OJ turns up, the MODS are the devil, CRS burnt down my poodle and shot my house etc.
As you can see, stats are an integral part of the game that attracts players. Failing to provide a basic like this clearly shows the end is near. How many more players can an mmo that fields 150 peak server numbers shed?
And ffs let the pilots call out the loosers plug pulling in their forum. You sure as hell arent able to correct the issue in game, so you might as well let them call these scum out for some kind of justice in that dead ass forum anyway
How would you like it if you were in a tank battle and when you shot at another tank the player pulled their plug immediately once they saw that they would be about to be killed? It's not about stats its about the game being an actual simulator. People play 'Battleground Europe' not 'Pull Your Plug Europe'. People play to shoot at others in game, not have your enemy vanish when they are about to be killed (I'm sure thousands of allied servicemen would of loved to have been able to avoid dieing by 'vanishing' when they had a 109 on their tail.
What is the point of fighting when there is no chance of getting any satisfaction from it. I'm sure 5000+ players would love to play that...
Air battles are a different beast to tank battles of course. Tanks kills are typically surprises while with air battles the guy in the weaker position (espically with veteran pilots) they know a while before hand that they are going to get killed so can dart to the ground and pull their plug. Like Engima alluded not many of the people in prominent positions know much about the air game. Their ground people who see the air game as a side show and don't understand nor care very much about it yet will religously defend their fellow mods and CRS attitude towards it.
1. He died - one less fighter to deal with - win for my side.
2. If he pulled the plug/avoided a kill he's a sore looser.
If everyone was a sore looser, it would be a problem, but generally they are not.
Molehill to Mountain.
Edit: Players do pull the plug when they play armour, same sore loosers that think its kool to avoid giving a death away.
Not everyone is playing to win campaign #123.
It's got nothing to do with the campaign or stats and its not rocket science. You agree to terms of service. Stick to your word
SWG > Aces High > WWIIOL
LOL you wouldn't care if the game was a side scrolling 2D shooter as long as it was called 'Battleground Europe'
Stug's good gameplay:
Player saps a tank. Tank driver pulls connection. Tank vanishes. Sapper does not get kill.
Epic
Everyone? Who is everyone? Do you speak for everyone? You do not understand the community nor the game. Your fanboy dedication is strong to the core. You should AOL chat with silky and fans (wait just you two) about how JG26, OJ, squads, paying subscribers have killed the game.
Anyway, like the way you always avoid the crux of what is said
I think you don't understand thr back story. There was a squad, JG52, that were more or less the white knights of the community and they even held some mod and GM positions. They were unable to do anything to get the rules changed. They were well respected, kind and did everything by the book, they changed nothing.
I saw nothing happening so I took another approach, make as much noise as possible and force hands. Let it by either focusing the conversation or chasing people from the game who cheated.
The fundamental problem is that the big decision makes either don't care or are not capable of understanding (shit pilot or a squishy). JG52 and JG26 never got people into high level GM or mod positions so we could not change policy. Xoom, ChKicker, GvonPaul etc are all pretty shit players. How are they even going to understand these complex issues and stop it?
So you are saying pulling the plug happens with armour all the time? Aircraft all the time?
Generally it is only committed loosers who can't take the hit on their pride, and whilst it could be an issue with a few names but it isn't the massive problem it is blown out if proportion to be. it's only a "OMGWTF BBQ!" problem because one squad has taken into its own hands to hunt such individuals down.
If you can't let 1 or 2 kills go, and the JG26 guys got tons, what is the problem?
WTF !!!!!, figured this would have been locked long ago. been keep up with this and seriously surprises me.
Time for some information to help you, but most here know the true information and are just hiding under a different name, other than what we have at our Secret Hanger Forum, but kudos to some here for displaying the name many know you from. I cant fall into that tho as I have to be incognito so no retaliation by my old squad happens.
JG26 had good intentions starting off in the game, but over time and the attitude our CO and with the additions of some other players, things really went to %$#, all the "Wanna Be Ganstas" and how the discussions would go on trying to make the playskool forums our own home and dictate how we wanted to stay in control by harassing and conspiring on how to run others off, we even would chat on our voice coms program on trying to set people up, I never participated which is why I didnt last, I tried to because our squad had and they still do, some great pilots.
Even trying to laugh at how the bragging would go on about who could post the most porn at the CRS forums before getting banned, or raciest pics and comments....but guilt would get the best of me.
The thing that used to confuse me and even now, is how passionate Enigma, Jester, and the others have for the game, some even still play, and would get so bent out of shape if things didnt go thier way ingame or in the forums and purposly try and disrupt or cause issues in the game and forums, I got my eyes opened up and how negative and destructive the squad was turning into and just couldnt be part of it even tho they never removed me.
I think what was my end time for even being involved anymore was how the discussion in our forums started getting more out of hand on how to get people banned, only because they didnt like that player, and how to do it in a way that made themselves look innocent.
So to get on topic of this thread, take what I say for what it is worth, or just dont , I will expect to get berrated by my old JG26 buddies, but I expect it. I am still here and around guys and still believe you have some good quallities but the respect is no more.
The game needs more upgrades for me and I really did flying with you all, great pilots but you really need to grow up and get off the internet game bullying, there is a real world out here you may have to work with, and it may not go your way.