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MMO and Me: Chapter 381 - Why am I not the Dragon?

ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

 

Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

 

Any questions? ;)

 

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Because it costs money to implement such a feature, and the demand is very low?
  • LeaningKidGokuLeaningKidGoku Member Posts: 41

    Lmao, because joining the darkside isn't mainstream enough to allow in MMOs.

    And besides most MMOs that actually allow you to the join the "Evil" side makes both factions eqaul to eachother.

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Because it costs money to implement such a feature, and the demand is very low?

    Hehe. In the immortal words of badSpock: Logic be damned!

    Still I wonder, why we always must take humanity's side? Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides have players?

     

    Think of the Monsterplay from LOTRO. How often did I fantasize that my ugly, black Spider would invade the player lands, and smash the Shire and Bree and all to pieces! Ok, maybe not, but you get the idea. I thought that would be more interesting for "good" to have players to fight here and there and not only in confined areas called battlegrounds, and where you don't just play "another good faction" or another human variant.

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    Yes. Is it true that Cathulhu loves me?

    Once upon a time....

  • DalekThayDalekThay Member Posts: 52

    I agree completely. I'm sick and tired of MMOs (and games in general) not giving people the option to join the bad guys. This  grates on my nerves quite a bit, especially when it comes to games based on the D&D license, and in games where I feel the 'good guys' are generally complete and utter twats.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by Amaranthar
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    Yes. Is it true that Cathulhu loves me?

    Sure. With ketchup.

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by DalekThay

    I agree completely. I'm sick and tired of MMOs (and games in general) not giving people the option to join the bad guys. This  grates on my nerves quite a bit, especially when it comes to games based on the D&D license, and in games where I feel the 'good guys' are generally complete and utter twats.

    Some players don't want to play silly Elfs, moronic Dorfs and stoopid humons. They can't be reasoned, bribed or argued with.

    Some players just want to SMASH TEH WORLD!

     

    I loved City of Villains. At least it wasn't another "misunderstood" faction.

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    ok from the point of views here can be related with story of the game :)

    RIft only ascended are from choosen and the other side, players are ascended so :), and the ones who join the "dragons" are the ones from tey dimesion or crazy peeps without power

     

    in the secret world cthulhu don't need to you to join, he can control anyone who get in touch with him, you wouldn't have any free will,

     

    same for guild war, the ones who join the dragon side are the norms, but even so after it they are controlled, so they don't have free will the sons of jormag somewhere looks they can retain some will, but I don't belive they can simple one day start to think, hmm maybe I choose wrong and it not that good for me stay here.

     

    in defiance well you can be the alien, but you are a ark hunter, a merc, and all otehrs faction don't have any liberty to travel around

     

    to keep it short, story bound one to one side or another and the you are free to do what you will, and most enemy faction npc controlled you can't have free will, if not things feel apart

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by DalekThay

    I agree completely. I'm sick and tired of MMOs (and games in general) not giving people the option to join the bad guys. This  grates on my nerves quite a bit, especially when it comes to games based on the D&D license, and in games where I feel the 'good guys' are generally complete and utter twats.

    Some players don't want to play silly Elfs, moronic Dorfs and stoopid humons. They can't be reasoned, bribed or argued with.

    Some players just want to SMASH TEH WORLD!

     

    I loved City of Villains. At least it wasn't another "misunderstood" faction.

     

    following what you said could be the same thing with the npcs factions, they don't want a weakling like you joining they ranks, and no way for you change they mind :)

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by alkarionlog
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    ok from the point of views here can be related with story of the game :)

    RIft only ascended are from choosen and the other side, players are ascended so :), and the ones who join the "dragons" are the ones from tey dimesion or crazy peeps without power

     

    in the secret world cthulhu don't need to you to join, he can control anyone who get in touch with him, you wouldn't have any free will,

     

    same for guild war, the ones who join the dragon side are the norms, but even so after it they are controlled, so they don't have free will the sons of jormag somewhere looks they can retain some will, but I don't belive they can simple one day start to think, hmm maybe I choose wrong and it not that good for me stay here.

     

    in defiance well you can be the alien, but you are a ark hunter, a merc, and all otehrs faction don't have any liberty to travel around

     

    to keep it short, story bound one to one side or another and the you are free to do what you will, and most enemy faction npc controlled you can't have free will, if not things feel apart

    Oh come on, that's just the light side propaganda! ;)

    I mean, seriously. Take SWTOR. You can be Sith and Imperial and pretty evil. And you still have a free will. Cthulhu and Dragons are what we say they are. Ok, I admit I am weird in this. When I saw Lord of the Rings - the movie - I always thought "hey, the Orcs are totally mis-represented! They aren't like that!" And NO I didn't mean that as WOW-Orc-referrence. Even evil is something I imagine as differencianted. Mostly evil is just depicted as mindless horde of slaves. I find that depiction of evil silly and boring. The most evil people in human history often had a very high IQ, and not all their followers were mindless cronies, but did evil for their personal reasons in their personal ways. Just as with good. It's just we that think evil must be a dumb mass of mindless zerg slaves.

    AND on top MOST IMPORTANT:

    ARE the Dragons evil just because they destroy humanity? Are the Great Old Ones evil? If you make a holiday, and you return to your house, finding it infested with insects, do you NOT weed them out? So, if Earth belongs to the Great Old Ones, and suddenly a virus called humans spread all over, is that evil when they take it back?

     

    "What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly."

    - Morticia Addams

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    You can be the bad guys in SWTOR
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Because it costs money to implement such a feature, and the demand is very low?

    Hehe. In the immortal words of badSpock: Logic be damned!

    Still I wonder, why we always must take humanity's side? Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides have players?

     

    Because humans have higher empathy towards beings that look like them? Elves & volcans are essentialy cool tall humans with pointed ears.

    That is also way in sci-fi, most aliens are bipeds, and somewhat human looking with two-eyes, a mouth and a nose, particularly the good guys.

    The bad guys .. can look like anything.

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Because it costs money to implement such a feature, and the demand is very low?

    Hehe. In the immortal words of badSpock: Logic be damned!

    Still I wonder, why we always must take humanity's side? Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides have players?

     

    Because humans have higher empathy towards beings that look like them? Elves & volcans are essentialy cool tall humans with pointed ears.

    That is also way in sci-fi, most aliens are bipeds, and somewhat human looking with two-eyes, a mouth and a nose, particularly the good guys.

    The bad guys .. can look like anything.

    Yes. And that is *exactly* what I hate humanity for.

    They trust a nice face and burn the alien.

     

    That is EXACTLY why I would conquer and burn humans. In games of course. Only in games... *cough*

    People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert

  • LeaningKidGokuLeaningKidGoku Member Posts: 41
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by alkarionlog
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    ok from the point of views here can be related with story of the game :)

    RIft only ascended are from choosen and the other side, players are ascended so :), and the ones who join the "dragons" are the ones from tey dimesion or crazy peeps without power

     

    in the secret world cthulhu don't need to you to join, he can control anyone who get in touch with him, you wouldn't have any free will,

     

    same for guild war, the ones who join the dragon side are the norms, but even so after it they are controlled, so they don't have free will the sons of jormag somewhere looks they can retain some will, but I don't belive they can simple one day start to think, hmm maybe I choose wrong and it not that good for me stay here.

     

    in defiance well you can be the alien, but you are a ark hunter, a merc, and all otehrs faction don't have any liberty to travel around

     

    to keep it short, story bound one to one side or another and the you are free to do what you will, and most enemy faction npc controlled you can't have free will, if not things feel apart

    Oh come on, that's just the light side propaganda! ;)

    I mean, seriously. Take SWTOR. You can be Sith and Imperial and pretty evil. And you still have a free will. Cthulhu and Dragons are what we say they are. Ok, I admit I am weird in this. When I saw Lord of the Rings - the movie - I always thought "hey, the Orcs are totally mis-represented! They aren't like that!" And NO I didn't mean that as WOW-Orc-referrence. Even evil is something I imagine as differencianted. Mostly evil is just depicted as mindless horde of slaves. I find that depiction of evil silly and boring. The most evil people in human history often had a very high IQ, and not all their followers were mindless cronies, but did evil for their personal reasons in their personal ways. Just as with good. It's just we that think evil must be a dumb mass of mindless zerg slaves.

    AND on top MOST IMPORTANT:

    ARE the Dragons evil just because they destroy humanity? Are the Great Old Ones evil? If you make a holiday, and you return to your house, finding it infested with insects, do you NOT weed them out? So, if Earth belongs to the Great Old Ones, and suddenly a virus called humans spread all over, is that evil when they take it back?

     

    "What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly."

    - Morticia Addams

    I see no evil.

    Humanity is the most dangerous race in the world, having a free will is what makes us the most dangerous in the first place. What is seen as an good deed to some people can exactly be a bad deed to others. For what you said this is all about the superiority of what another race has over the other. If Dragons have the power to take over mankind, whats stopping them? U.S had the power to take Hawaii, so they did.

    The Great Old Ones taking back whats theres is only justified by them being the orginal owners of Earth. But like I said what could seem like an good deed to some can be an bad one to others. It's like if the Indians rised up and took control over the U.S they were "known" to be here first so taking it back is only wrong to the people they are taking it back from.

    If you have the power to take something, take it.

    If you want something back thats orginally yours, take it back.

    I think if the humans are anrgy for both the Dragons & The Great Old Ones for taking earth it's just showing you the hypocrisy of the human race.

     

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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    Originally posted by tkreep
    You can be the bad guys in SWTOR

    And Dark Millinieum was probably going to have been good for this as well.

     

    Blood for the blood god?

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    Originally posted by LeaningKidGoku
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by alkarionlog
    Originally posted by Elikal

    The MMO Rift is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy Elves, Humans and Dwarfs. I wonder: Why the heck can't I join the Dragons?

    The MMO Secret World is launched. Topic: Cthulhu tries to conquer the world. I wonder: Why the frack can't I join the Great Old Ones?

    The MMO Guild Wars II is launched. Topic: Dragons conquer and destroy the lands of Humans, Sylvari, Asura, Norn and Charr. I wonder: Why the drat can I not join the Dragons?

     

    Now Defiant is launched. Topic: Aliens invade the Earth and wipe out humanity. Me: Cool, where can I sign to join the aliens please??  <.<    >.>    <.<

     

    Any questions? ;)

     

    ok from the point of views here can be related with story of the game :)

    RIft only ascended are from choosen and the other side, players are ascended so :), and the ones who join the "dragons" are the ones from tey dimesion or crazy peeps without power

     

    in the secret world cthulhu don't need to you to join, he can control anyone who get in touch with him, you wouldn't have any free will,

     

    same for guild war, the ones who join the dragon side are the norms, but even so after it they are controlled, so they don't have free will the sons of jormag somewhere looks they can retain some will, but I don't belive they can simple one day start to think, hmm maybe I choose wrong and it not that good for me stay here.

     

    in defiance well you can be the alien, but you are a ark hunter, a merc, and all otehrs faction don't have any liberty to travel around

     

    to keep it short, story bound one to one side or another and the you are free to do what you will, and most enemy faction npc controlled you can't have free will, if not things feel apart

    Oh come on, that's just the light side propaganda! ;)

    I mean, seriously. Take SWTOR. You can be Sith and Imperial and pretty evil. And you still have a free will. Cthulhu and Dragons are what we say they are. Ok, I admit I am weird in this. When I saw Lord of the Rings - the movie - I always thought "hey, the Orcs are totally mis-represented! They aren't like that!" And NO I didn't mean that as WOW-Orc-referrence. Even evil is something I imagine as differencianted. Mostly evil is just depicted as mindless horde of slaves. I find that depiction of evil silly and boring. The most evil people in human history often had a very high IQ, and not all their followers were mindless cronies, but did evil for their personal reasons in their personal ways. Just as with good. It's just we that think evil must be a dumb mass of mindless zerg slaves.

    AND on top MOST IMPORTANT:

    ARE the Dragons evil just because they destroy humanity? Are the Great Old Ones evil? If you make a holiday, and you return to your house, finding it infested with insects, do you NOT weed them out? So, if Earth belongs to the Great Old Ones, and suddenly a virus called humans spread all over, is that evil when they take it back?

     

    "What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly."

    - Morticia Addams

    I see no evil.

    Humanity is the most dangerous race in the world, having a free will is what makes us the most dangerous in the first place. What is seen as an good deed to some people can exactly be a bad deed to others. For what you said this is all about the superiority of what another race has over the other. If Dragons have the power to take over mankind, whats stopping them? U.S had the power to take Hawaii, so they did.

    The Great Old Ones taking back whats theres is only justified by them being the orginal owners of Earth. But like I said what could seem like an good deed to some can be an bad one to others. It's like if the Indians rised up and took control over the U.S they were "known" to be here first so taking it back is only wrong to the people they are taking it back from.

    If you have the power to take something, take it.

    If you want something back thats orginally yours, take it back.

    I think if the humans are anrgy for both the Dragons & The Great Old Ones for taking earth it's just showing you the hypocrisy of the human race.

     

    good and evil are definition we give based on our perspective, also note if someone came to kill you will will consider him evil, in wars you never see anyone fighting the good they always fight the evil ones who want to destroy/conquer us.

    same thing I consider all religions and gods to be evils, my perspective says they bring more harm then good. but if we start to go down this line will be too philosophical.

    you can als argue with its not in project :)

     

    also for the syfy movies and films I think the bipedal aliens are simple far easy to make these guys show up,

    like defiance since teh NDA is up :p teh mutants there from beta to the ones now make so muhc easy to show then in teh show then previous :)

    FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money.
  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    In the end who cares whats right and wrong or whats good and evil because it all comes down to survival of the fittest...Im gonna kill you if you try to kill me, its as simple as that.  Those dragons didnt even wanna talk about it, they just came down killing everything in their path.  Whats the point of sentient intelligent if your going to be pure evil with it which makes them no different from an animal that cant be reasoned with.  The dragons may be more older and evolved and see us as ants but the difference is ants and most animals cant be reasoned with like humans.  You can be the most smartest man in the world but if your evil than imo your not very evolved because your not spiritually evolved and that is what you must be to attain true enlightenment...to be in heaven with God, otherwise you just die and decompose.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Elikal
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Because it costs money to implement such a feature, and the demand is very low?

    Hehe. In the immortal words of badSpock: Logic be damned!

    Still I wonder, why we always must take humanity's side? Wouldn't it be more interesting if both sides have players?

     

    Because humans have higher empathy towards beings that look like them? Elves & volcans are essentialy cool tall humans with pointed ears.

    That is also way in sci-fi, most aliens are bipeds, and somewhat human looking with two-eyes, a mouth and a nose, particularly the good guys.

    The bad guys .. can look like anything.

    Yes. And that is *exactly* what I hate humanity for.

    They trust a nice face and burn the alien.

     

    That is EXACTLY why I would conquer and burn humans. In games of course. Only in games... *cough*

    You are, obviously, the odd man out. Otherwise, there will already be lots of games letting you do that.

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